this is more nitpicky than anything but idkk its always been so weird to me when the best someone can describe the positive qualities of a woman (especially in media) is only somewhere in the realm of “omg she’s so wife 😍 i would let her step on me 😍😍😍” or something tied to her looks/capability to serve someone with her ascribed beauty rather than expressing any actual interest in her personality or her influence on whatever piece of media she’s from… like don’t you think you should add more than “she’s so mommy 🤤” whenever she’s brought up in discussions about the text or is that just where ur interest stagnates 😭
I randomly encountered this gem of a Harlivy fic while randomly browsing through femslash fics on ao3. It only has 30 kudos! Which is crazy considering how fun and well written it is.
It’s a mixing of lots of different canon that work really well imo! I’m not a huge fan of HQTAS Ivy, and I do think it leans heavily on her characterization from there, but I think this fic makes it work.
What I mostly appreciate is that it handles some really dark topics very maturely. It’s a joy to read something where Harley gets to be silly and fun (because she is!) but also takes her and what she’s been through seriously.
So, everyone go give it some love 🫶
Also… Feel free to use this post as a jumping point to recommend other Harlivy fics… 👀
People who voted dick grayson as the most oversexualised character of the batfam need to be sentenced to eternal hell, i can name other bat related characters that are 10x more sexualised than him like maybe every female character ever.
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So i am (sadly) on twitter and, therefore, i look at comictwt pretty often and a take i saw that i just wanted to talk a little on was that “ivy deserved a redemption arc since environmentalism and feminism arent bad things” and yh!! As much as i have to agree with the environmentalism and feminism, being either a part of very supportive of those movements*, ivy just falls short on both of those
This is NO hate to whoever wrote that and if they somehow see this im not hating its just that i have to disagree based on my view of different comics, mainly pre new52 ones!
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To start with her environmentalism since this is slightly more complicated; ivy has a stand that on both of these that is very unique to her - considering her own experiences and connections to the green - because shes very egotistical (ugh see the poison tomorrow) and very very focused on what first benefits her. It does sound pretty redundant but it’s not that Ivy doesn’t care, its just that she becomes interested in radical movements pro-ecosystem after she gets tortured by woodrue and that way, directly affected by what happens to the green (see swamp thing annual 2). I think its more of a issue with empathy that she might have trouble with unless shes directly being the person affected
This is a very personal interpretation but i do have to say also that ivy’s support of different movements also becomes stronger because they put her on, in her view, a higher moral ground than other people, especially men, that do not support those causes.
For her feminism, i think most of what i have to say has already been put into words by Amanda Waller in suicide squad 1987: ivy genuinely only cares because she is affected, and her caring mostly extends to issues she faces. This isn't to say that she doesn't care about feminist issues, only that her priorities are set in her having the advantage, especially in her earlier appearances, and then growing into having concern about those issues.
Personally, even after she does start to worry and fight for women's rights and place on society, she can still be very egoistic, and even then, she continues to be hostile to other women and state that she doesn't like either men or women (imo only plants... adding a panel for that too). she doesn't mind putting women down, and she doesn't care about uplifting them either, unless its convinient (plays the 'dumb sexy girl' if she needs)
Also, Ivy isn't ignoring misoginy, she has been stated to read feminist literature and enviromental issues are directly linked with gender issues (also wtf is up with categorizing plants as male and female considering many can do both... and have both of their 'parts'...), I just feel that, like I said, those are issues where she puts herself first and worries about others later - also i bring back her empathy issues maybe.
Ivy is in almost all multitudes a huge complicated mess and a paradox. Although her creators most likely didn't even care about this, even her name is a paradox: Ivy is a symbol of care and attachment, but Poison Ivy is one that clings and hurts you. She is a very complicated character in the way that she doesn't have many rules, and her actions can vary not only because of writer, time period or situation, but because she isn't one that is stable in mostly anything. Sometimes she's part plant, sometimes she isn't, you can't expect her to be reasonable
*wont say am i a part of any environmentalist movement since i have to learn more about them🫶🏻 a proud and loud feminist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
secret origins #36 // batman shadow of the bat annual #3 // swamp thing 1982 #132 // joker's asylum: poison ivy YIKES i hate it sm // detective comics #23.1 // wonder woman 1987 #95 // batman/green arrow the poison tomorrow
-> if you have seen any of my other posts abt ivy you will know that a few of the comics used in this i don't like (at all) but i can't ignore her ecoterrorist side but yh most of these comics suck and so do their ivy portrayals
batman shadow of the bat annual #3 // suicide squad 1987 #37, #47 and #65 // showcase 1994 #4 // batman shadow of the bat annual #3 //solo 2004 #6 // secret origins #36 // batman 1940 #181 // batman the long halloween #6 // gotham sirens 2009 #18
-> gotham sirens 2009 is a weird one to me because 1) ivy does NOT like selina and that is very reciprocated 2) shes very um sane...? also what happened to her delusions of grandeur??
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