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Obsessed with characters who portray themselves as worse than they are. Who are lying to everyone including themselves about it. People generally assume if someone's lying about themselves they're trying to look better but sometimes they're trying to look worse. They attribute agency to where they had none, add intend to accidents, try to convince everyone that this is something they did instead of something that happened to them.
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I donât know if other people feel the same way but especially with the new hunger games film coming out Iâve been absolutely floored by some of the parallels between the world in the series and the current conflict in Palestine.
Firstly, Suzanne Collins did say that she partially got the idea from flicking between channels showing reality TV interspersed with footage from the Iraq war so I guess thereâs a good reason for me to be seeing similarities now.
But the fact itâs being live-streamed - the carnage - the propaganda - the fact that lots of us have been following the same few (often very young) journalists who have become the âfaceâ of Palestinian resistance (because right now journalism IS resistance being actively targeted by Israel) - itâs all crazy familiar.
I saw a clip of Israeliâs sitting on a hill watching and laughing at the bombs dropping on Gaza today as though they were fireworks just minutes before Israel bombed the 3rd floor of a paediatric hospital. The same âSderot Cinemaâ where Israeliâs bought deck chairs and snacks to âwatch the spectacleâ of the 2014 bombing campaign on Gaza.
The way not everyone in the capitol was evil or bad and some people actively supported the districts but realistically they were still complicit in the exploitation - even if just through ignorance.
The incredible amount of children dying - the bombing of hospitals and withholding of resources (like in District 8 in Mockingjay), the taking of people not involved in Hamas into administrative detention (hundreds arrested in the West Bank - like how the victors were taken in Catching Fire even the ones who werenât involved in the rebellion), the collective punishment of Gaza (the firebombing of District 12).
The way Israel dropped pamphlets from the sky to tell Gazans to evacuate south and then bombed the route (literally straight out of the games I swear - the video of the pamphlets falling was like the scene with the parachutes in Mockingjay which represent hope and then detonate).
Itâs so eerily similar and I just wonder how so many watched those films and read those books and are silent now - why could they identify resistance and oppression and desperation and exploitation in fiction and not reality?
And I wonder if maybe itâs because we have to remind ourselves that we arenât Katniss in this situation - we arenât the heroes - we are the Capitol and District citizens watching it all happen on our screens - and thatâs an unfortunate and uncomfortable concept to grapple with.
Okay, so, I've seen a lot of people complaining about how Suzanne Collins wrote The Covey, specifically that they seem to be based on outdated stereotypes of the Romani people, and I would just like to contribute my own thoughts to the conversation, specifically that they are not based on Romani, but rather Bluegrass artists. Let me explain; Bluegrass, as a genre, has an incredibly rich history, being working songs, mining songs, protest songs, ways to spread news, old European ballads carried over and changed to fit The New World, and a million other things, but one of the most important parts of Bluegrass is its connection to Appalachia, especially Kentucky. This would make more sense as something off of which to base your Appalachian characters in your Appalachian setting than a primarily Eurasian ethnic group. There is also a long history of Bluegrass singers traveling, especially in old, beat up trucks, just like the one Lucy Gray says they travelled in. There is so much history of them traveling, in fact, that there is an entire room dedicated to the trucks in which they travelled in the Kentucky Music Hall of Fame and Museum. I think this makes a lot more sense, especially because Bluegrass has it's earliest origins in the ballads after which Covey members are named. For a while I was confused about why nobody mentioned this, but then I remembered that most people didn't watch a three hour long documentary on Bluegrass seven times in four days, so this is pretty niche knowledge.
Havenât been on tumblr in a while and just searched to see if thereâs been any actual discussion and reflection in this fandom about how the hunger games and sunrise on the reaping are so clearly reflective of western imperialism and colonialism and the oppression and exploitation of the global south and most especially the genocide of Palestinians. Yet I am once again disgusted to find that this fandom would rather engage in shipping and analyzing literary texts for color symbolism than actually look at the explicitly obvious (and overtly stated meaning) of this book and its context in our lives and societies. This fandom has once more shown that it is unwilling and incapable of truly comprehending and internalizing this series. Itâs shown racism, indifference, ignorance, and shallowness.
Idk man but if youâre a fan of the hunger games, you should be able to say free Palestine with your whole fucking chest, and just acknowledge the obvious real world connections in your posts and fandom discussions. Thatâs just the bare fucking minimum, and 99% of yâall canât even do that
So people who want to have fun with a series is disgusting because they don't discuss the real world themes in said series, are you okay?
@ginger-bread-is-good I did not say that, nor will I say that. Perhaps try rereading for what I did actually say.
It's not that people cannot and should not enjoy fandom for fun. It's that when the entirety of a fandom--this fandom in particular-- deliberately and entirely ignores the real world themes that are abundantly apparent (and the pretty explicitly stated as the inspiration and purpose behind writing the books in the first place) in the series, that it becomes kinda gross and problematic. It's not that individual people are not allowed to enjoy fandom, it's that the ENTIRE fandom seems to have a collective systemic problem with refusing to engage meaningfully with the real world inspiration for these books. And that is problematic for a lot of reasons.
Suzanne Collins explicitly stated the inspiration behind writing the initial trilogy was channel surfing and flipping between news coverage of bombings in Iraq (western imperialism, dehumanization, racism, murdering children and civilians) and reality TV shows. She explicitly stated her purpose for writing Sunrise on the Reaping was examining "implicit submission...the easiness with which the many are governed by the few...[and] the use of propaganda and the power of those who control the narrative".
So sure, I love a good fun fandom analysis about minor details in the series and a deep dive into stuff for fun as much as the next person, but when that becomes the only conversations happening in fandom spaces, then that is indicative of a larger issue. It's not an either or where only one of these (fun fandom spaces vs. real world analysis) should exist, it's both and. THG fandom should be a place for fun trivial shipping and analysis and whatever else fandom spaces usually are AND a place for critical analysis of societal themes and real world issues that are the backbone of the series. These two things can and should both coexist together. But they do not in this fandom, and that is the problem.
I did read your post and it very clearly described you not being happy with fandom spaces not discussing how the books relate to the real world. First of this is a fandom space, the type of place people generally go and have fun and interact with something they like, it's not an issue that the majority don't want to talk about the very depressing and real wars that are going on. If you look around you can find some discussions on how the series mirrors these themes, these aren't the majority but that's not a problem, and if you want to see more discussions on it then you can start them.
The bottom line is that while The hunger games is a book based on Suzannes world she created after seeing videos of the wars and vapid reality shows back to back, does not mean that everyone who liked the series has to go on and discuss said themes when they aren't the only themes of the books. I'm still wondering if you just saw a bunch of Everlark or other shipping blogs and decided that was the entirety of the fandom
I've been in this fandom on tumblr for close to a decade. This is not a recent trend, this is a widespread fandom pattern. I actively look for more meaningful discussions within this fandom and have done so for years, across multiple platforms, and rarely find them or people willing to engage in them. And I have actually started discussions on these topics and made posts about them multiple times, but very few people in this fandom choose to engage with these posts, and almost no one else is making any posts about these things (I routinely actively search for them, and am always disappointed and disheartened to find very few or none). This is a big enough fandom, that it is incredibly strange and downright unsettling that there seems to be no sub community in it willing to have these discussions or engage with the series in this way.
For comparison, many of the other fandoms I have been in much more readily engage in exploration and analysis of social justice and societal issues through fandom discussions and spaces than the thg fandom. Even for fandoms that are about topics seemingly completely far-removed and unrelated from real-world issues, I have always been able to find people willing to explore and discuss real world issues in and through fandom perspectives and analysis. However, since I joined the hunger games fandom well over a decade ago, I have been surprised by the sheer volume of fluff in this fandom compared to actual discussions of the topics and canon events of the books, let alone the lack of people in fandom applying elements and themes of the series to real world issues. This is most especially true when it comes to western imperialism, exploitation of the global south, and most explicitly of all, the genocide of Palestine and what is happening in Gaza right now.
Havenât been on tumblr in a while and just searched to see if thereâs been any actual discussion and reflection in this fandom about how the hunger games and sunrise on the reaping are so clearly reflective of western imperialism and colonialism and the oppression and exploitation of the global south and most especially the genocide of Palestinians. Yet I am once again disgusted to find that this fandom would rather engage in shipping and analyzing literary texts for color symbolism than actually look at the explicitly obvious (and overtly stated meaning) of this book and its context in our lives and societies. This fandom has once more shown that it is unwilling and incapable of truly comprehending and internalizing this series. Itâs shown racism, indifference, ignorance, and shallowness.
Idk man but if youâre a fan of the hunger games, you should be able to say free Palestine with your whole fucking chest, and just acknowledge the obvious real world connections in your posts and fandom discussions. Thatâs just the bare fucking minimum, and 99% of yâall canât even do that
Geek Between the Lines is a great podcast for anyone who has read the series and the prequels. Their latest episode is literally 'We are the Capitol' where the hosts intentionally took a break from analyzing each chapter to discuss recent events between the US, Iran, and Israel. It's been my favorite podcast that's done a dive into the prequel just because of how they're not afraid to say what needs to be said.
Yes, a lot of people may like the series because they get a chance to disassociate and fall into the universe that SC created, but she says she wrote the series for a reason, and that reason needs to be broadcasted now more than ever.
Havenât been on tumblr in a while and just searched to see if thereâs been any actual discussion and reflection in this fandom about how the hunger games and sunrise on the reaping are so clearly reflective of western imperialism and colonialism and the oppression and exploitation of the global south and most especially the genocide of Palestinians. Yet I am once again disgusted to find that this fandom would rather engage in shipping and analyzing literary texts for color symbolism than actually look at the explicitly obvious (and overtly stated meaning) of this book and its context in our lives and societies. This fandom has once more shown that it is unwilling and incapable of truly comprehending and internalizing this series. Itâs shown racism, indifference, ignorance, and shallowness.
Idk man but if youâre a fan of the hunger games, you should be able to say free Palestine with your whole fucking chest, and just acknowledge the obvious real world connections in your posts and fandom discussions. Thatâs just the bare fucking minimum, and 99% of yâall canât even do that
So people who want to have fun with a series is disgusting because they don't discuss the real world themes in said series, are you okay?
@ginger-bread-is-good I did not say that, nor will I say that. Perhaps try rereading for what I did actually say.
It's not that people cannot and should not enjoy fandom for fun. It's that when the entirety of a fandom--this fandom in particular-- deliberately and entirely ignores the real world themes that are abundantly apparent (and the pretty explicitly stated as the inspiration and purpose behind writing the books in the first place) in the series, that it becomes kinda gross and problematic. It's not that individual people are not allowed to enjoy fandom, it's that the ENTIRE fandom seems to have a collective systemic problem with refusing to engage meaningfully with the real world inspiration for these books. And that is problematic for a lot of reasons.
Suzanne Collins explicitly stated the inspiration behind writing the initial trilogy was channel surfing and flipping between news coverage of bombings in Iraq (western imperialism, dehumanization, racism, murdering children and civilians) and reality TV shows. She explicitly stated her purpose for writing Sunrise on the Reaping was examining "implicit submission...the easiness with which the many are governed by the few...[and] the use of propaganda and the power of those who control the narrative".
So sure, I love a good fun fandom analysis about minor details in the series and a deep dive into stuff for fun as much as the next person, but when that becomes the only conversations happening in fandom spaces, then that is indicative of a larger issue. It's not an either or where only one of these (fun fandom spaces vs. real world analysis) should exist, it's both and. THG fandom should be a place for fun trivial shipping and analysis and whatever else fandom spaces usually are AND a place for critical analysis of societal themes and real world issues that are the backbone of the series. These two things can and should both coexist together. But they do not in this fandom, and that is the problem.
Havenât been on tumblr in a while and just searched to see if thereâs been any actual discussion and reflection in this fandom about how the hunger games and sunrise on the reaping are so clearly reflective of western imperialism and colonialism and the oppression and exploitation of the global south and most especially the genocide of Palestinians. Yet I am once again disgusted to find that this fandom would rather engage in shipping and analyzing literary texts for color symbolism than actually look at the explicitly obvious (and overtly stated meaning) of this book and its context in our lives and societies. This fandom has once more shown that it is unwilling and incapable of truly comprehending and internalizing this series. Itâs shown racism, indifference, ignorance, and shallowness.
Idk man but if youâre a fan of the hunger games, you should be able to say free Palestine with your whole fucking chest, and just acknowledge the obvious real world connections in your posts and fandom discussions. Thatâs just the bare fucking minimum, and 99% of yâall canât even do that
I hope any of you reading or read sunrise on the reaping arenât doing so with the same eyes who have watched palestinians go through a genocide and never said a fucking thing.
Unblocked all my SOTR tags after finishing the book and I am appalled to see people who are posting about being âanti sotrâ for shipping purposes alone. How could you miss the point of the book by so much? This is not a love story, this is a depiction of the pain of being a human being living under fascism. Suzanne Collins did not write Haymitchâs Games to build a great love story between him and Lenore Dove. She wrote about Haymitchâs Games to illustrate implicit submission, and human spirit, and cruelty, and the struggle for freedom, and the complexities of loyalty. Genuinely if you came out of that and said âmaybe if she felt threatened by a ship she should have written a stronger love storyâ there is something wrong with you. Literature is rebellion, not everything is fucking booktok.
do people really just wanna be fans of the hunger games and not mention palestine at all? like honestly? do you really wanna just support fictional uprisings and fighting back against fictional oppression but don't actually give a shit about it in real life? did y'all genuinely learn and internalize nothing from this series????
Haymitch was your normal small-town teen while Katniss was the local stray cat that sometimes dropped dead birds on your porch.
suzanne collins came out fucking swinging with sunrise on the reaping. oh did you not get the point about propaganda and media manipulation in the first trilogy? or ballad of songbirds and snakes? hm! let me just bang it into your head real quick. with an axe.
i read this really insightful post by @thesmileykate and it made me realize how sunrise on the reaping adds a whole new layer to snowâs âconvince me.â katniss easily âconvincedâ the majority of panem and all of the capitol of her love for peeta in the 74th games. but not snow, because he thinks all covey women are deceiving to their lovers. he thought there was no possible way katniss truly loved peeta. he wanted to believe all of her choices were for her own self-preservation. but when he saw katnissâs reaction to peetaâs heart stopping in the quarter quell his belief about covey women was proven incorrect. and once peeta was captured he knew he couldnât take away katnissâs love for peeta, but he could take away peetaâs love for katniss.
Oh, wow. For those who don't know, "scrip" is an old-fashioned form of credit used to control workers. Like, imagine if you worked for Walmart and were paid exclusively in Walmart gift cards. By limiting their pay to a form of currency only usable in company or government controlled outlets, there is no way for workers to ever save up or get a different job, sticking them in a loop of total economic domination.
love the symbolism of haymitch's outfit in the parade scene. he loses his "cheesy imitation coal miner hat in the accident and, rid of the headgear, our outfits become merely neutral, black and forgettable." (SOTR, 79).
he's wearing the uniform of his district, a coal miner, someone sent to the deepest parts of the earth day after day, working for scrip, not even real money, facing the highest, "most brutal" person in panem with a dead girl in his arms forcing him to confront that he did this.
how he's not haymitch- rather he's every coal miner in district 12, every person who has lost a child to the games, to starvation, to the oppression of snow's regime. he is not haymitch. he is panem.
In Catching Fire, Peeta and Katniss both make Haymitch promise that he will prioritize saving the other in the Quarter Quell. Both are angry with him afterward for breaking that promise and prioritizing the rebel plot. But the promise Haymitch chose to keep in the quell was the one he made to Lenore Dove, to not let the sun rise on another reaping.
I was about to write: I love the fact that Katnissâ first reaction to Haymitchâs absolutely traumatising story is âYou need some goose eggs. Goose eggs will help.â
And then I realised⊠Sheâs mimicking Peeta. Peeta comes back to 12 and the first thing he does is plant primroses. And somehow⊠that helped her. So sheâs doing the same thing for Haymitch.
