RAMCOA Systems

A space for RAMCOA systems, and those wanting to be educated on RAMCOA and systemhood

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RAMCOA Systems

What is this account for?

This account is a safe space for survivors of RAMCOA, especially disordered systems, to talk about their experiences battling the after-effects.

We are not a source that can professionally help you, especially if you're looking to deprogram yourself with a friend - you need professional support for that as it can be dangerous otherwise

Can I vent about my trauma here?

Trauma can be spoken about here but they'll all be tagged under 'tw trauma vent' and you'll have to state if you want it shared on the account or we won't share it; we also can't cover anything too heavy that's against Tumblr ToS for obvious reasons

If you just want to send in asks that you don't want to share, let us know in the ask not to share it, or we can also message you upon request and chat there - we're here to support you

I'm not a survivor or just want to be educated, can I still interact?

Yes, of course you can!

What is RAMCOA?

RAMCOA stands for Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, and Organized Abuse, or sometimes Ritual Abuse, Mental Conditioning, and Organized Abuse.

Simple carrds on RAMCOA that link a good amount of external sources can be found here:

RAMCOA-Basics RAMCOAResources

mentioning for reach: @traumasurvivors @trauma-support-page @traumasurvivorshelpingsurvivors @ramcoa-help @did-osdd-culture-is @trauma-support-blog @parentalabusesupportblog @adviceforsystems @mentalhealthresource @ptsd-culture-is @yourhealingjournal

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I have DID, and went through ra/oa, and some parts of the system show signs we've only really heard mc/programming survivors would show, but as far as I know we weren't programmed whatsoever. Is this normal?

This is completely normal, you don't have to have experienced noticeable levels of programming, or any proper programming at all to have these signs!

For starters, in even being in an RA/OA environment can result in subconscious mental conditioning even if the perpetrators aren't necessarily aiming for that. Little things like having to wake up at the same time every morning, or having set things to say can count as mental conditioning and can present in the system as a result

The mind also conditions itself at times, even when you're not being told to do a specific thing, fear and basic responses can cause you to develop a certain reaction to things or a form of 'self-programmed response'

There are all sorts of ways that a survivor of RA/OA can share experiences with a survivor of MC/programming

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Do you plan on making any educational posts about RAMCOA or do you want this to be mainly an ask blog? /gen

We want to make educational posts but would prefer ideas from anyone who has them, since we don't know what people don't know after all

We also want to be able to discuss our experiences with things for anyone who's interested in a ramcoa system's experience, and generally educate and provide info if we can

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What are RAMCOA systems? How do they differ from DID and OSDD systems? Do they have anything in common with other systems?

RAMCOA systems are DID/OSDD systems, their formation is just based in this form of abuse or has been affected by this abuse, and there may be more unique elements to their system as a result.

The idea of a 'ramcoa system' isn't a recognised term I don't think, we just use it to say 'systems that have experienced ramcoa'

In terms of differing from DID/OSDD systems that haven't experienced ramcoa, some may not differ at all, others will differ greatly

It's more common for ramcoa systems to:

be polyfragmented

have shell alters or aspects of the system that are 'shells', they are described as acting like a 'mask' that hides the system

have gatekeepers or other roles made to organise a system or its memories

have alters based on or containing numbers, colors, or other organizational systems

have introjects of perpetrators that may or may not continue abusive behaviors in-system

More clear differences may include: (major tw for specific ramcoa experiences)

an organized headspace that usually acts to reinforce programming or a message, may or may not be designed by the perpetrator

designed hierarchies in-system, may be reinforced by the inner world's structure, and they typically reflect a belief of the perpetrator

a variety of programs, can include anything from programmed reactions, to access programs, to behavioural programs

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is there a specific amount of time needed for programming to be done? and can it degrade over years?

Absolutely not, programming will affect each person differently and it also depends on things like the type of programming, how much the perpetrator knows about it, how many times they've tried, how willing to comply the victim is, things like that

I wouldn't say it 'degrades' but you can definitely work through it alongside a professional. We still have programs that we've had for over a decade, it takes a lot of time to break them down and sometimes you have to decide which programs are more important to work through first