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it would be interesting if we have a parallel between these two generations of northerners in front of their heart trees and the old gods. we have roose/millers young wife being taken under the heart tree in the eyes of the old gods which is how ramsay was conceived -> then ramsay/jeyne as fake arya getting forcibly married under the heart tree. paralleled with rhaegar/lyanna's secret marriage that bran will see through the weirdwoods eyes, lyanna has jon as a result -> to potential godswood marriage for jon/sansa
similar to the “wow sansa thinks about aemon & naerys the tragic incest couple a lot wonder what that sign is for” people will make the link that sansa’s namesake is kinda funny compared to all the other kids….and then not follow the thread as to why sansa is randomly named after a stark woman who married her half uncle to stave off a succession crisis lol
Day Seven: A Time For Wolves
Jon V - A Storm of Swords; Sansa II - A Storm of Swords; Bran II - A Storm of Swords.
Oh my name is stannis baratheon I get to cheat on my wife with the baddest witch in the realm who promises to have my sons that can kill my enemies and empower my delusions - MAN fuck you
and it makes me cry every time😭🥺
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jons naive romantic soul: i’ll let the singer who is a serial rapist boozehound go to oldtown via braavos. it wont be a problem for him to be surrounded by temptation. and surely any man who hears a sweet song about the valiant and honorable knights of the watch will want to join us in our fight against the horrific undead. gilly give me your baby. and oh my goddd no i cant promise he wont get burnt alive but please stop crying in my office
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Where The Iron Throne ended and A Dream of Spring began
I think there are two historical events which will be on repeat with the ending of ASOIAF:
1. The more obvious one is Duncan Targaryen Jon abdicating his throne for love for his brother Jaehaerys Bran to become King. 2. The other event will likely be Aegon V Bran banishing Bloodraven Tyrion and sending him to the Night’s Watch.
But before I go any further, this is what GRRM has said regarding naming his chapters on two separate occasions.
Based on this, I think it is safe to conclude that Chapter names serve as a hint to what’s coming in this story. With that in mind, the last half of Chapter titles in Fire and Blood probably gives away the entire endgame of ASOIAF.
The red line is where The Iron Throne ends, whereas ADOS will likely have some more story to cover, aka the sweet to the bitter.
Unlike most things this season, I like to think that this line of dialog is there for a reason.
Breaking down the Fire and Blood chapter titles to see what they might be hinting towards:
1. The Dying of the Dragons - The Blacks and the Greens The Dying of the Dragons - A Son for a Son The Dying of the Dragons - The Red Dragon and the Gold
Drogon vs Rhaegal, Dance of the Dragons.
Drogon = red + black
Rhaegal = green + gold
Furthermore, there is this passage once again foreshadowing DotD along with Jon pulling a Duncan.
He sang of the Dance of the Dragons, of fair Jonquil and her fool, of Jenny of Oldstones and the Prince of Dragonflies. – Sansa I, AFFC
Furthermore, Melisandre’s vision from ADWD also indicates DotD. This is the same vision which has Sansa traveling to the wall and King Bran.
Dance of the Dragons is a foregone conclusion in the books, which is why I have even more trouble believing that this is Jon’s proper (or even deserved) ending.
2. The Dying of the Dragons - Rhaenyra Triumphant The Dying of the Dragons - Rhaenyra Overthrown
Dead Dany.
Nuff said. She ate up all the space on the show so I refuse to give her any space in my meta, except I’ll say this much - ‘Good Riddance’.
3. The Dying of the Dragons - The Short, Sad Reign of Aegon II
Ahh, Jon pulling a Duncan.
I’m probably in the minority but I really like this plot point. Did I see this coming? No. Does it make sense? Yes.
Jon gave up Winterfell twice for Sansa.
By right Winterfell should go to my sister Sansa. – Jon I, ADWD Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa. – Jon IV, ADWD
Where did I think this was going – oh, of course, Jon will give up the throne for Sansa.
I think it had to be this way, he had to do give up his claim. You know why?
Because Sansa Stark said this:
It is my claim. No one will ever marry me for love. – Sansa VI, ASOS
And this:
There are no heroes. – Sansa VI, AGOT
This is Jon stepping up to the occasion of being Sansa’s ultimate hero. It is hardly a coincidence that Sansa’s “No one will ever marry me for love” is directly followed by the chapter where Jon meets Janos Slynt and starts his journey towards becoming the hero that Sansa will marry for love.
(Yes, delulu me still believes Jon and Sansa will get married by the end. I’ll expand more on why I think so in my next delulu meta).
If Jon were King, it would have been a semi-political marriage. I’ll be honest with you, brick by brick ala Ned Cat is what I always expected Jon and Sansa’s storyline to be, but I think Jon’s final act is actually paving the way for a far more passionate love marriage, what Sansa always dreamed of.
I like to think of the entire act of Jon channeling a Duncan as a setup just for the Jonsa payoff. The show did the setup, not the payoff, they simply left the payoff in foreshadowland. 😡
4. Aftermath - The Hour of the Wolf
King Bran.
This quote defines Bran’s arc
So long as there was magic, anything could happen. Ghosts could walk, trees could talk, and broken boys could grow up to be knights. “But there isn’t,” he said aloud in the darkness of his bed. “There’s no magic, and the stories are just stories.” And he would never walk, nor fly, nor be a knight. – Bran IV, ACOK
If handled correctly, this can prove to be a very triumphant story of overcoming adversities. I do not like Bloodraven Bran theories OK, I think we are looking at a boy king who dreamed of becoming a knight but couldn’t because he thought himself to be too broken. As is hinted from the chapter names below, this will likely be a regency. There will likely be some magic involved, just not the complete occupancy of Bran like the show hinted.
5. Under the Regents - The Hooded Hand
Tyrion takes the Black.
We all know there is some pretty direct foreshadowing for Tyrion joining the Night’s Watch early on.
Jaime smiled. “I hope you’re not thinking of taking the black on us, sweet brother.“ – Tyrion I, AGOT
But what caught my attention was the term ‘hooded hand’. Now look at this passage when Bran meets Coldhand:
for though the ranger’s face was pale, his hands were black and hard as iron, and cold as iron too. The rest of him was wrapped in layers of wool and boiled leather and ringmail, his features shadowed by his hooded cloak and a black woolen scarf about the lower half of his face. – Bran I, ADWD
You know whose chapter immediately follows? You guessed it, Tyrion!
6. Under the Regents - War and Peace and Cattle Shows
What is Bran’s tax policy?
GRRM is probably planning a learning arc for Bran here. He is probably planning to show Bran’s rule, as is very evident from this chapter title. The show miraculously left out the very thing that GRRM criticized about fantasy. 😡
7. Under the Regents - The Voyages of Alyn Oakenfist
Arya sailing West of Westeros.
Again, I’m probably in the minority when I say that I like this plot development.
I have never expected Arya’s arc to be associated with marriage or domesticity. (Sorry Gendrya shippers, please don’t hate me, but by all means keep shipping. Who am I to stop you).
I always found this quote to be quite foreboding:
You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers.”
Arya didn’t think it was funny. “I hate needlework!” she said with passion. “It’s not fair!” – Arya I, AGOT
After the finale though, this line turned out to be more metaphoric, more restorative than foreboding, and is meant to give Arya a new purpose. I think “Needlework” is two fold, it means having to use Needle as well as a domestic life. But there is no need for needle after winter, and once she is done with her revenge and retribution arc, I do think Arya will find domesticity quite constrictive. An explorer arc after all the bloodshed she witnessed might be a lovely end-point (or rather a beginning) for a free spirit like Arya.
The one thing I did not like is that Arya left so soon after the sack of KL. But if the chapter index is anything to go by, considerable time will pass between KL sack and Arya venturing off.
8. The Lysene Spring and the End of Regency Lineages and Family Tree
Allow me draw your attention to something interesting. This is the chapter index published in late October 2018.
And this is the actual chapter index published in the book in early November 2018.
Spot the difference? That’s right. GRRM changed the last chapter title from ‘The Succession of House Targaryen of Westeros’ to simply ‘Lineages and Family Tree’. Now why, why will he change it?
Option A) Bran made him do it Option B) It’s all Sansa’s fault Option C) The chapter titles are maybe hinting towards something? Like maybe the endgame of his books? Like maybe, just maybe, he wants us to picture the whole theme of spring and rebirth and regeneration and fertility and legacies together?
To me this very deliberate last minute change screams, SCREAMS a Stark legacy. This saga does not end without a Starkling OK, or atleast a hint of a Starkling. And who are the two people constantly being foreshadowed to carry on the Stark bloodline???????
In short, these four quotes are what’s driving this endgame:
I hate needlework! It’s not fair! – Arya I, AGOT
And he would never walk, nor fly, nor be a knight. – Bran IV, ACOK
No one will ever marry me for love. – Sansa VI, ASOS
A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of. – Jon XII, ASOS
This is a time for wolves, a time for wish fulfillment of the wolves. The show simply misrepresented the tone or didn’t go far enough to depict this.
I’m not gonna say EVERYTHING in this will happen but I like it quite a bit for a couple reasons:
1) it fits my preferred baseline method for any idea which is “Does this mesh with what I think GRRM is trying to do?” GRRM has his own patterns…and I’m a huge sucker for trying to quantify stuff like this; and
2) it logically fills in blanks that the show left.
I don’t think D&D told the “entire” story. There were so many characters with arcs that ended abruptly and without much explanation/support. Almost like time warps. I believe the show tried to tell the end of Daenerys Targaryen’s story and left most of the rest open to interpretation…which isn’t what I think will happen with GRRM.
I may yet get back to throwing out my own predictions at some point, but for now, I can say that this is pretty close to how I think things shake out.
Kinda leads me to another inquiry along the lines of this OP…
What differences do YOU think there will be between the show (poop) and the books (hopefully not poop)?
I tend to think D&D decided to tell the crescendo and conclusion of Daenerys’ story in particular, but I’m not sure they told the full story for the rest of the crew.
Awww. I liked this one. Anyone know if the OP is active under a different name?
very prophetic. winterfell godswood perhaps?
moodboard for when you learn about the great empire of the dawn and pre-valyrian dragonlords in westeros from which the daynes and the hightowers and the IRONBORN?? are descended and maybe tarth too (bc the lord is called the evenstar... the opposite of the morningstar aka lightbringer...). and then all those brienne affc chapters with dick crabb and ser galladon of morne start making sense. and there's eldric shadowchaser just like EDRIC and EDDARD and the daynes chased a falling star and is dawn actually lightbringer after all? or did the dragonlords from the great empire of the dawn all have flaming swords like in dany's vision in agot? because maybe those weren't valyrians she saw, they had gemstone eyes like the gemstone emperors... quaithe is from asshai which was part of the great empire of the dawn... the glass candles are burning and marwyn the mage is coming to dany... you can see the wall from the hightower...
I love how utterly Brienne is set up to subsume the identity of Galladon in the narrative. Obviously, there's the oft-remarked upon and very unsubtle parallel between the tale of Ser Galladon and the Maiden and JB, but that's only part of it. We're actually introduced to legendary hero Galladon of Morne at the outset of Brienne's quest, when she's sitting on a bed that's too small for her at an inn, and contemplating Oathkeeper, thinking that it is "a sword fit for a hero," like those her nurse used to tell her about. Ser Galladon, Florian the Fool, Prince Aemon the Dragonknight. She thinks that her sword belongs in their company, even if she herself does not. She's wrong of course. And not in some nebulous, she'll do great deeds somewhere in the future of the series way. Brienne already is Galladon, a hero worthy of song, the kind of person who would face seven-to-one odds to protect a bunch of orphaned children with no one else to turn to. The kind of heroics and gallantry that would earn the admiration of the Maiden herself, the goddess whose domain is the protection of innocents. The only thing Brienne lacks that her heroes have is the adulation or recognition for it, but we may see that change, say perhaps, during the next long night. But Brienne's taking on the mantle of Galladon extends beyond the legendary figure of course, because we have another Galladon in the story, Brienne's older brother. Galladon Tarth on his own is a blank space in the narrative. Brienne says, "Galladon drowned when I was four and he was eight," and that's all we know of him. But even though he's only mentioned the once, you can tell his shadow looms over Brienne. As Brienne starts to say to Jaime before she cuts herself off, she is her father's only son. And being the eldest son of a noble lord carries it's own set of responsibilities and expectations in their world. If another heir was around, Brienne wouldn't feel the crushing pressure of being "the only one the gods let him keep, not fit to be a son or a daughter," or she at least might not feel quite so inadequate. But all that we know of Brienne tells us she has it within her to be the "strong and gallant son [who] brings honor to his name." And maybe, with time, she'll realize that herself.
Ser Galladon was a champion of such valor that the Maiden herself lost her heart to him. She gave him an enchanted sword as a token of her love. The Just Maid, it was called. No common sword could check her, nor any shield withstand her kiss. - AFFC Brienne IV
"Brienne of Tarth." Jaime sighed. "I have a gift for you." He reached down under the Lord Commander's chair and brought it out, wrapped in folds of crimson velvet. Brienne approached as if the bundle was like to bite her, reached out a huge freckled hand, and flipped back a fold of cloth. Rubies glimmered in the light. She picked the treasure up gingerly, curled her fingers around the leather grip, and slowly slid the sword free of its scabbard. Blood and black the ripples shone. A finger of reflected light ran red along the edge. "Is this Valyrian steel? I have never seen such colors." - ASOS Jaime IX
Brienne could not help but smile. "Perhaps," she allowed, "but Ser Galladon was no fool. Against a foe eight feet tall mounted on an aurochs, he might well have unsheathed the Just Maid. He used her once to slay a dragon, they say." - AFFC Brienne IV
Little did you know that the tale of Ser Galladon was actually foreshadowing Brienne winning a poll of ice and fire.
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