And, you know, this is a very simple point, but I think a powerful one - that there's a media scholar named Barbie Zelizer who makes it - and she points out, look, you know, the media can exist without democracy. Democracy can't exist without the media. But if you think that through, you realize that, you know, the media as they're currently constituted, you know, don't actually have a vested interest - an existential interest - in maintaining democracy.
— Masha Gessen in the NPR podcast Throughline: The Anatomy Of Autocracy: Masha Gessen











