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I need more Gwayne Hightower screen time, need his teeny tiny waist and pretty face biblically
It took one scene to establish the Black armies as 1000% more fun and awesome than any supporter of Team Green, and that's the most book accurate part of the show so far.
How I would have included Aegon and Viserys in the Battle of the Gullet
While I dislike how Aegon and Viserys have been de-aged in HOTD, to an extent I understand the decision. HOTD is only releasing seasons every other year, and children of A&V's age grow up fast. You would inevitably need to re-cast the kids, possibly more than once, which would be very jarring.
That being said, this is no excuse for entirely cutting them from key scenes, and they should have been included in the Battle of the Gullet. Ryan Condal has said that the reason for their exclusion was because of the difficulty and danger of working with children of such a young age in intense battle scenes, but that is a poor excuse in my opinion. There were ways to adapt that part of the story, even if you cannot have Aegon fly away on Stormcloud. Here's how I would have done it, keeping the episode the same as much as possible:
First, remind the audience near the start of the episode who A&V are, and that they are on a ship bound for Pentos to bring them to safety. Then, just before the battle begins, have them accidentally intersect the Triarchy. This is how things play out in F&B and should be easy to show. You do not need a full on battle— since it is only one ship, just have Lohar stop and board it, along with Tyland Lannister.
Once they get on the ship, they discover A&V and Stormcloud, and quickly put two-and-two together that these are Rhaenyra's youngest sons. Score! Those are some valuable hostages! King Aegon will be thrilled. Tyland wants to have the boys sent off to King's Landing, but Lohar protests, not wanting to let such valuable kids out of her sight. In her head, she is thinking she can use them against Corlys or just for $$. Her and Tyland come to a compromise, where Viserys is sent off on one of the Triarchy ships to KL, while Aegon and Stormcloud are kept with them on Lohar's ship. This is how A&V get separated.
The battle then begins. Tyland is concerned about Aegon being harmed— again, valuable hostage for the Greens— but Lohar ignores him, much more focused on getting to Corlys. Tyland gets thrown overboard (I think he should survive for future events, but that's TBD in the show and not relevant here). I don't remember if Lohar's ship gets destroyed in the episode, but let's say it doesn't. Things play out the same way, and Alyn kills Lohar. After the battle is over, Alyn is walking through Lohar's ship, when he discovers the body of baby Stormcloud, shot through with arrows. He looks into a closet or something, and finds little Aegon.
Viserys never arrives in King's Landing, and is not recovered from the battle by any of Rhaenyra's men. He is presumed dead. We later discover that the head of the ship meant to take him to King's Landing decided to abscond with the Prince on his own. Why deliver such a valuable kid to King Aegon for free, when he can take the child for himself and sell him back to whoever the victor is for a ton of $$?
In this way, Aegon, Viserys, and Stormcloud end up in the exactly the same positions that they do in F&B, avoiding the need to write around their exclusion later. Furthermore, none of these scenes require the children to be written into active battle. There are really only three moments required: establishing them on the ship, being discovered and separated by Lohar, and Aegon being found after the battle. So Ryan's worries about the ability to work around little children are entirely avoided.
We remind the audience of their existence before the important role Aegon plays in S4, we keep things in line with book canon, we still have Rhaenyra lose two sons in one go, and we maintain the important thematic purpose of having young children being caught up in the horrors of the Dance.
It took me about 10 minutes to think this up, and somehow professional writers decided it was too hard and just cut the kids out all together.
On the eve of the Battle of the Redgrass Field, King Daeron the Good wanders the Red Keep, worrying for the fate of his family. He finds answers in an unexpected place.
(Or, 6 year old Daeron the Drunken makes his first prophecy).
Part IV now with 100% more Maekar POV
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So in character for Criston to not care about women being raped because he is too busy feeling his big boy emotions.
If the writers are gonna erase Daenaera and make jaehara x Aegon cannon in the show I'm gonna call the writers racist, idc what you guys said I hate the show
Likely the show will simply end before adapting Jaehaera’s death. The Greens will be obnoxious about it, insisting that it means she lives and continues on the bloodline. But there’s nothing wrong with just stopping the story before Jaehaera dies, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to introduce Unwin Peake and open up a whole new plot line of the regency at the last moment.
i’m sad that basically everyone will die, but i’m also sad for the survivors. both dragon twins, aegon iii, viserys ii, jaehaera, alyn, addam, etc. many of them technically end up in a “better”/higher position than before, but at the cost of losing literally everyone they hold dear. that’s why i hope most of the action is concluded in season 3, so we can focus on recovery and the fallout in season 4. i want some bleak, post-war realism.
I hate to say it, but there is a 0% chance they will adapt anything from after the war. The showrunners have no interest in Aegon and Viserys, that’s why they aged them down to toddlers and completely stripped away their agency/personalities/storylines.
it’s sort of impossible to go without adapting ANY of the post-war stuff. at the very least, they’ll have to clear up the line of succession, and determine who’s getting punished. and of course alicent’s death which happens around the same time. we won’t get all the drawn-out parade of regents or anything, but the hour of the wolf will inevitably be adapted at least in part.
it’s hard to say for sure which event will be chosen as the stopping point, but at this time i’m (tentatively) choosing aegon iii and jaehaera’s wedding.
edit: i change my mind. i think, to avoid confusion about bloodlines and whatnot, the aegon-jaehaera wedding may not happen. also there’s not enough room for 2 royal weddings in one season
I guess my wording was a bit absolute. I meant they won’t explore the aftermath of the war the way that you hope. They’ll include the bare minimum they need to end the war and resolve the existing arcs of the major characters. We’ll speed run the hour of the wolf and Larys’ execution, show Aegon III’s coronation and marriage to Jaehaera, and get lots of Alicent angst and probably a flash forward to her death… likely all in a single episode, two max. There won’t be any sort of in depth focus on the survivors who continue on the dynasty, and how the war left a mark on them. You don’t cut Aegon the Younger’s arc if you have any desire to explore that, since he is the main character through which George shows it. We will get is 1-2 scenes with Baela and Rhaena to close out their storylines, and that’s it.
The look of realization on Jace’s face right when he is shot and turns to see the crossbow men hurts me so much😭💔 Jace is someone who was always so ready to take action and to fight for his and his mother’s claim. But in his last moments, there is nothing he can do. He can’t fight them, can’t swim away, can’t hide. And he suddenly turns from this eager warrior and future king into the 15 year old boy he really is, dying long before his time.
RIP Jace and RIP Aegon & Viserys’ character arcs💔
i’m sad that basically everyone will die, but i’m also sad for the survivors. both dragon twins, aegon iii, viserys ii, jaehaera, alyn, addam, etc. many of them technically end up in a “better”/higher position than before, but at the cost of losing literally everyone they hold dear. that’s why i hope most of the action is concluded in season 3, so we can focus on recovery and the fallout in season 4. i want some bleak, post-war realism.
I hate to say it, but there is a 0% chance they will adapt anything from after the war. The showrunners have no interest in Aegon and Viserys, that’s why they aged them down to toddlers and completely stripped away their agency/personalities/storylines.
I’m sorry Daeron, I love you, but I do need to change my profile picture back in honor of my poor fallen Prince💔😭
So… looks like Battle of the Gullet is on the edge of happening. What do we think they are gonna do about the Aegon the Younger age issue? We already have him and Stormcloud both too small for their battle escape as established in the current timeline. If Tyland’s fleet intersects them, then there is no in universe ambiguity with which to age them up and hand wave away a vague time lapse.
Option 1: They do it anyway, and hope nobody cares. There doesn’t need to be too much of an age increase. The actors they used in season 2 will probably be old enough by the time of filming, and if they recast they can always recast someone slightly older. I think 6 or so would be enough. Stormcloud would need to be bigger too, but again you can probably do that and just let the inconsistency stand (my ideal option, though I unfortunately don’t think they will go this route).
Option 2: Another, more likely one, is rewriting the scene to remove Aegon’s agency. Instead of him escaping on Stormcloud, he may be rescued by the Dragonseeds. This should be an easy enough rewrite, and you can still have Viserys lost in the chaos if he and Aegon get separated. Stormcloud could die just in the general battle. Obviously I dislike this option, as it erases a very very key moment in Aegon’s book arc, a formative experience that (along with Rhaenrya’s murder) is a driving factor of his depression and trauma. Specifically his self blame and survivors guilt. It also erases one of the most heartbreaking dragon deaths. Baby Stormcloud dying will be sad no matter what, but carrying Aegon all the way back to Dragonstone while shot full of arrows because he refuses to fall until his rider is safe… you cannot top that.
Option 3: Enact some sort of delay in the Battle of the Gullet in the in universe timeline. I am not sure how this would be done. Rhaenyra is about to take kings landing, and I’m not sure it makes sense for her to still send her sons to Pentos once the city is secure. Though with the Gullet by Dragonstone, they could also be attacked when heading to Kings Landing. Perhaps they stay at another port for a while, or are called back for the Vale once word comes of Rhaenrya taking the city. Meanwhile Tyland’s ships are taking time to prepare an attack plan. Even a small ambiguity in the timeline can be used to sneak in a couple years age up. We also do need more time for Jace’s character arc to be complete, before the Gullet happens.
Option 4: Aegon’s role in the Gullet could be substituted with Joffrey, who is already old enough. However, I hate this option more than any other. It is absolutely nothing against Joffrey, but I don’t want any of Aegon III’s few moments given up to another character. It feels insulting if they clearly are willing and capable of doing the scene, and simply chose not to do it with the future king for whom the event is a cornerstone of their character. I’d rather them simply not do it at all, as in Option 2.
Honestly if they give the Battle of the Gullet plot point to Joffrey, and the Rhaenyra’s death plot point to Alicent, I think I would actually lose my mind. Like I would be done. I have a very very high tolerance of changes to the source material because I view HOTD as it’s own separate canon, but giving away the backstory of my #1 favorite Targaryen (and if I’m being totally honest, ASOIAF character, minor as he may be) to other characters will be my line. I can’t do that. One event would be bad enough, but both of them??? Nah.
On a side note: I find it very interesting that with Tyland bringing the fleet from Essos, he will be responsible for both of the two major traumatizing moments of Aegon the Younger’s childhood. I like that change, adds more poignancy to Aegon’s eventual forgiveness of him.
Silly me! I forgot the secret fifth option— erase that entire plot point from the Battle of the Gullet entirely!
Actually I have so much beef with Barriston Selmy because what do you mean you can’t defend Rhaella from her rapist because your Kingsguard oaths forbid it, but when those same oaths command you to protect a 7 year old orphan and his infant sister now suddenly they can just be cast aside.
I saw someone talking about how Maekar likely had so many high expectations for Daeron due to Baelor being such a first born son, which got me to thinking… from what we can observe and infer Maekar worshipped Baelor. He was the perfect son and elder brother. He kept the peace and everyone loves(ed) him.
And yet Maekar didn’t name a child after him…
We’ve got Daeron who is obviously named after King Daeron.
Aerion, which one could argue is after Aerys his older brother, or the man that started the conquest but Maekar doesn’t strike me as a big history buff
Aemon, which could just be a stereotypical Targ name OR could be named after Aemon the Dragonknight, his rumored grandsire
Daella, I think is also a way to honor Daeron his dad, BUT could also honor Daenerys, or could be named after Daella mother to Aemma Arryn.
Aegon, could be named after so many of the many fucking Aegon’s
Then we have little Rhae, who one could argue is named after his brother Rhaegel. Or another Rhae.
But why didn’t Maekar name a kid after Baelor? Could it be from some resentment of the perfect older brother from the youngest son? Was it something he was going to do but didn’t get the chance to? Did Dyanna say no?
I don’t think Baelor was specifically snubbed. Naming Maekarlings after close family members was more the exception than the rule. Daeron was named after his dad of course and Aemon was named after the dragonknight (it’s canon that King Daeron named him in honor of his uncle), but I would wager that Aerion, Daella, and Rhae were just names that Maekar and Dyanna liked. Aegon was almost certainly for the conquerer (it’s also my personal headcanon that Maekar named Aegon to reclaim the name after the disgrace that was Aegon IV).
So I think it’s less that Maekar specifically didn’t want to name a child after Baelor for some reason, and more that Maekar wasn’t generally trying to name children after his closest family members. Maekar’s father was probably just the exception, because both Daeron and Aemon’s names honor him in different ways (named after him vs letting him choose the name).
So did you find something to bitch and whine about in AKOTSK being too woke?
Are you referring to someone else’s post that I commented on two years ago to say that I hope Egg’s classist opinions aren’t downplayed because they are important to his character development? What a weird ask.
