偽りの楽園

Hi I'm Yukina and I translate things I find interesting. Otome games. RPG. Mobile games. Drama Cds. Anime. Manga. All sorts of trash interest me. I've decided to keep this as a translation dump blog. Please don't repost my translations without permission. Full list of tags: https://sakasamarainbow.tumblr.com/masterlist

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Hello! Do you know what was the conclusion to Hanamura Mai's art tracing issue with Yuiga Satoru? I've read it ended on Hanamai's favor, which strikes me as weird, because the evidence was very damning imo…

I suppose this is the difference between the court of law and the court of public opinion.

My personal disclaimer is that I am not a defendant nor claimant in this case. I do not want to argue with anyone nor do I have the energy to. 

I’ve looked at the judgment summaries and the other releases made and the general idea is that Hanamura sued Yuiga for defamation over the claims of tracing. As Yuiga made the allegation of tracing, she needed to provide adequate evidence of such claims. The court examined Yuiga’s evidence and based on creation times of certain pieces, access to each piece, the overlapping lines and similarities arising from styles. The court ruled that some pieces were chronologically impossible or inaccessible, that heavy editing (rotating, size changing, mirroring etc.) was unreliable and that stylistic conventions meant that features were likely to show similarities. Consequently this meant that there was insufficient evidence as the entire comparison process was considered compromised.

However this does not mean they ruled that Hanamura had never traced anything, ever, the ruling was that there was not enough evidence for Yuiga to make that claim and therefore was defamation. The finding is a clear “there is not enough evidence to prove that she had traced Yuiga’s works” which is a separate finding from “she is innocent” which requires its own proof. 

The fact that Yuiga’s claim relied heavily on overlaps that required a degree of editing was detrimental, as the court concluded that was not a reliable method of demonstrating tracing. This was a reasonable criticism since they also demonstrated that there could be overlaps with anything if you force it enough. The main issue is that there is no means to identify false positives with false negatives in this way and when the method itself is questioned, the burden of proof becomes very high.

There’s no indication of what proportion of the works Yuiga claimed as evidence fell into each category so it’s difficult to comment on how the case was handled.

Anyways ultimately, either side may be responsible for exaggerating claims so it’s up to you to determine which one you believe.

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I know because of budget reason that we rarely have a game with otome element but isn't it unfair that usually romance is always associated with girls but why a lot of media especially anime with romance is mostly made targeted for boys, and not to mention general games.

I don't think we can even have games like Summon Night in this current era 🥀

Like it's easy to say just play the genre but boys get to have the romance in their jrpg but girls can't have that or more like none for us? (In this case the protagonist gender along with the game target audience I'm referring at)

sometimes it's sad to see that JP side have this sort of problem as well that they have a delulu calling Armored Core V as an otome games (idk if it's genuine or not but I do see some post asking the same question as I am regarding rpg with femc with otome element) Delulu seems like how we cope

In the case of generally targeted games, I’m not confident that it’s purely a budget issue as normally these kinds of RPG/adventure-type games are largely targeted at guys to begin with. Whether a self-fulfilling prophecy or something else, there may not be enough incentive to include content that would be popular with girls. When you have a title that skews too much to one demographic, adding in content for the other demographic may negatively affect the primary one. We can see this kind of reaction from fans of otome games and galge, when at its heart they are similar, but each target audience has hesitation to engage with the others’ content.

That being said, my understanding is that a majority of male players of games with JRPGs with romantic elements are largely indifferent to them rather than actively seeking out games with that content. For the most part, pairing characters are usually for the benefit of in-game buffs rather than relationship chemistry.

For romance game fans, I suppose such content is a bonus, but that is unlikely the case for everyone.

Romance aside, we also have games like Silent Hill F and the upcoming God of War, which feature specifically only female leads. So it's not as if game standards are completely stagnant...

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Bit long, over the jump.

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Ya know, about the "western audience" playing Otome. While there's many valid statements to say how non east asian players doesn't understand Otome, there's ONE major thing where the other side doesn't want to understand the kind of self insert the "west" wants which end up making themselves not be considered a self insert anymore even tho deep down they still do to certain aspect. If I explained it to them, they might get angry and insist on not considering it as "true self insert" which goes to say they don't like to understand, lol. Cuz right now, the essence of self projection has deteriorated so much that even a hand or eyeless illustration isn't enough anymore. It even has deteriorated so much that their definition of self inserting now is making the screen exist and not the "you are in that world" of implied narrative as that's not considered self inserting according to them anymore and now the screen existing is their only means to be part of inserting and be the "purest" now.

East asia Otome players just tacitly agreed that a protagonist being pathetic aka not having active role makes it not only easier to self insert but also more screentime for the male leads. But the non east asia, while they don't hate male leads having the focus cuz they know that's the market of the game & they also like the male leads, they absolutely despises writing that purposely makes you, the protagonist, a dumb one that cannot help but be pathetic. They want a role that doesn't make you be purposely dumb to be much more closer to the man you love. It is especially worse when the non-active role makes you implied you are not part of that world all along so what's the use of self inserting when there's nothing to insert? But because every self insert games and novels always gets rid of traits that actually moves the plot forward smoothly to make you closer to your man in the name of "ambiguity", they just cannot self insert at all and gave up considering themselves as that.

Even when it comes to discussing about the game. In east asia if you comment about the female protagonist even if it's not more than male lead, you're not considered self insert. But non asia can just make you consider as self insert or not depending on your own because they believe every individuals have different methods.

The last thing is funny even tho this is more in general stuff than Otome but it's still considered. Both east asia and west have hatred to the protagonists for different reasons, lmao. In west, focus on protagonist means it's self inserting. For east asia, focus on protagonist even if not defining traits means you are a shipper or a parent 😂

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It’s normal that there will be differences in the way people perceive these features depending on their locale since it would be shaped by their cultural experiences. However I think that is more of a reason to stop each side from willfully poking their heads into the others’ to critically prod at the differences. After all, I think everyone has points of contention when viewed by others but the reason for that view is more often than not overlooked. 

For example, the point about heroine being passive as the accepted default in Asia is not necessarily true when considering the differences between Japanese and Chinese otome game fandoms, which are both Asian. Japanese fans may prefer that (only in the case of self-inserting, since those who do not, prefer a proper personality) but Chinese fans prefer a heroine who can grow with her love interest and thus does not always only play a supporting role in the background for the man to shine.

There are, of course, things I do and do not agree with from every region's fandom so I do not make it a habit to insert myself into their arguments. I’ve seen Chinese fandoms insert themselves into Western arguments, Japanese arguments, Western fans insert themselves into those as well, and find them all utterly pointless because no one takes into account cultural differences, while asserting their own one is the best perspective. This just ends up becoming an inevitable out of control fire that devolves into racism and at times, misogyny.

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Have you seen the DiaLovers discourse where the self-insert fans are getting mad at Rejet for referring to the MC as "Yui" instead of just "you"? I feel kinda complicated since on one hand, I like that heroines are recognized as their own character but on the other hand, I can kind of understand the self-insert fans' feelings… Off tangent, I also saw a comment that was like, 「リジェ最近主人公出し過ぎ」 which was kinda amusing to say in the least (though not in a fun way, haha).

As much as I don’t want to see these things…yes I have.

I think with this incident and all the other recent incidents in the JP otome game fandom, things have begun to reach a boiling point where everyone is just airing grievances whether they’re appropriate, deserved or not. Adding in recency bias, people don’t even realise that referring to the player character by their default name has been done in the past as well.

Rejet has been pushing their Yui merch line a lot recently and I’m surprised people are only complaining about it now. But given what kind of desperate straits they’re in, it’s expected that they’d do whatever they could to increase cash flow.

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Hi, sorry about the confusion and thank you for replying. Also while I suggest the series but not as alternative.. but that's the kind of game that they want, let me explain. It's a farfetched idea but they also want something farfetched so I give them a farfetched solution

So first of all I came to realizing something crucial, the one who ask for male mc is someone whose only exposure in game is gacha because of hoyo and coincidencely hoyo has an otome and also there's lads, where it's guarantee to have a male character.

Now the gacha landscape is already toxic enough with uneven gender ratio pull where the male character is just a bait and switch and later it only releasing waifu character. Now whenever this thing happen, the otome genre becoming their outlet of frustration because "eww only femc" (not helping because some of the gacha crowd always says "if you want a male character, go play insert gacha otome here")

They actually just want a game with a male mc with a male character or not uneven ratio, That's it. But the problem is that they only stuck at gacha and don't know there's other game out there, that's not gach

Otome catching stray a lot because there's like a lot of otome gacha and people who don't know the genre only know it as "anime boy game"

Honestly I feel sorry for them but then again a lot of them is very frustrating to deal with and ignorant at all whenever we explain it to them because they stuck to their own bias bubble.

tldr: it's all gacha games fault, go play paid game people

There’s always some sort of goal post moving when it comes to these kinds of criticisms.

Even if they’re talking purely about gacha games, there are non-romance games aimed at women like Touken Ranbu, Twisted Wonderland etc. which would satisfy the desire for only male characters without the (otome) romantic attachment. In fact it was the same kind of mindset that helped these games blow up in Japan to cause a shift from purely otome games on mobile towards development of non-romantic (joseimuke) games as well. The non-answers of "if you want a male character, go play *insert gacha otome here*" were never made in good faith since they’re unlikely to be familiar with any of the titles before offering it up, so while they’re irritating, I don’t think anyone expects it to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately, while Japan has had the last decade or so to adjust to the market shifts and changes with the inclusion of non-romance games, other countries are still experiencing that first exposure without really understanding romance games in the first place. 

Another major factor is that these people are loud, but they seem to have no understanding of what a minority they are. There’s a lot of talk but they don’t use their wallets to support their opinions which is what the longevity of the game relies on. It doesn’t help that the mobile game market bubble has kind of popped with fewer games entering the market that fit these criteria. Relying purely on the richer Chinese market to bring these games wouldn’t work either, as they have different preferences locally influencing the types that are developed to begin with. So while not ideal for them, the current state is already of an equilibrium forced by outside developments a long time before that they clearly do not yet have the monetary power to change.

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My un-woke opinion is that Otome games fought hard to be where they are now (and even then, they're still treated as "less") so I feel like if #they want games that's more inclusive, they had to fight too一instead of trying to piggyback on Otome games' success and pushing away Otome games' original target audience from the genre. Speaking this as a queer woman, btw. A lot of people seems to find it hard to understand that I'm all for BOTH more inclusive games and also proper zoning/tagging. They're not mutually exclusive. :/

Glad you said it is an un-woke opinion because that’s just it lol. While I don’t fully expect people to understand that otome game developers and fans have had to fight tooth and nail to get to this point, dismissing the entire category as “mainstream therefore should make way for others” is clearly misunderstanding where otome games stand currently within the gaming community to begin with.

It isn’t mutually exclusive, because it’s not a zero sum game. Having both otome games and inclusive games are a possibility given if people show enough interest or passion. But the way people lobby straight at otome gamers/developers is forcing it to become a “one or another” situation. This is the reason people should support those who do provide what they want instead of telling others to expand their scope.

The situation is exacerbated by not understanding how commercial companies work versus indies versus cultural differences in the fandoms. It seems every culture thinks that the others all function in the same way and offer completely irrelevant criticisms while looking all at the wrong places.

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I don't even use twitter anymore because it's such a headache, in your opinion does the otome drama from time to time get exhausting from constant reheating nachos?

Like the worst is the obvious with male mc one when male mc is already the majority in gaming space (and honestly it's misogynistic when girls only mc genre have to change when other romance genre don't even get this treatment) , heck they can even play tales games especially (I'm not belittling ,i truly love the series) i even heard it's called a fujoshi town, there's a lot of material for them in other games ffs

Does it get exhausting? It’s exhausting the first time it rolls around, let alone the 50th time, in the same month hahaha. This is the biggest reason I’ve started reducing the amount of time I spend on twitter.

Male MC drama and “otome games are not good enough as is” whatnot is honestly the most exhausting, next to all the unconscious racist behaviour that’s rampant. With the amount of spite people have toward a genre they supposedly are fans of, they could have lobbied for more games under the genres which have what they actually want instead of snubbing them due to their own prejudices. But unfortunately this is what the internet is like most of the time now, people are irrationally unwilling to revise their positions nor accept suggestions.

I will say though, that promoting a series targeted at everyone such as the Tales series as an alternative to… otome games? Is a bit of a stretch. It depends on what they’re getting out of otome games as a whole compared to going straight for BL bait (female-targeted non-romance games) or BL itself. But again, I doubt any sort of sensible suggestion would ever be taken kindly outside of serving up specifically what they want on a silver platter.

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Seeing 'that' discourse where people insist "Boku" is only exclusive to men is just making me think they are contributing to sexist men's society for doing that when they cannot differentiate the "commonly used word" and "exclusive to men", and I know languages itself has many different context so seeing people who never studied the language tries policing people about that is creepy. Idk if they are even experienced enough in language or at least know stuff from watching anime because in my experience watching anime, I commonly hear male characters use "Ore" than "Boku", and when female characters use "Boku", it is not what they think at all…

For the first time I feel like I’m not terminally online enough to understand what is happening.

But anyways, I don’t think anime itself is the best point to learn Japanese/culture from either.

Socially, 僕 (boku) is used by men in conversation with their equals or lower, while 俺 (ore) is used similarly but with those more familiar/close to the speaker. Both are considered too casual for formal situations but boku is softer.

In terms of girls using them, realistically, it’s rare after a certain age and might even be considered cringe. In weab fiction however, it's a well established aesthetic characteristic. That said, it is not exclusive to men but I’m unsure of the context…

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Thank you for your blog posts. I find most of them, especially news/industry-related ones, very fun to read. As someone who's been reading otome games for ages now, are you still having fun? I've only been reading for a few years and I already feel that otome games, besides for some obscure outliers and 同人 games, are all similar enough that I don't find them fun anymore and will probably move on to other genres. I was wondering how you currently feel about otome games as a long-time otome blogger.

Otome games aren’t a hobby, they're a lifestyle— Just kidding. Thanks for reading my posts. People’s interests come and go so it’s not surprising that some people end up quitting for one reason or another. For otome games, it also depends on how much access you have to different titles whether it be by funds or language because variety is important to how much interest you retain.

I’d be lying if I say I didn’t get sick of the same kind of plot developments, character archetype portrayals or just poor story telling in general, but in my experience, this kind of issue only happens when you stick with a specific creator (company or writing team). That’s why I play widely; play games on different platforms, games from different eras and doujin games. This is the best way to effectively find some interesting games.

As someone with a whole other life offline (surprising, I know), it also means that recently I haven’t been able to play on more inconvenient platforms like PC and console as much. That’s where mobile games come in for me. When I feel something lacks depth, I can switch back to a self-contained console game once I have free time. And repeat the process, which stops it from becoming a monotonous hobby.

That being said, it’s not as if otome games are my only hobby either. So it's important to maintain some sort of balance, between hobbies, between platforms and titles. As you can probably also tell, I also don’t usually force myself to finish a specific quota of games because the moment you start doing that, it begins to feel more like a chore than a hobby.

If commercial games aren’t doing it for you, I think your biggest bet would be with doujin works since they have fewer restraints on the type of content or even the type of story. But of course the only drawback is that they’re usually lower budget and may not look as polished.

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Hanaemu Kare to & bloom (Him, the Smile & Bloom) // All Routes and Thoughts

Content warnings for: Adults with incredibly poor communication skills. If you are easily affected by these topics and/or fictitious stories, do not read this post nor play the game After finishing Distorted Code, I was looking for a short sweet pick me up and that’s when I remembered Hanaemu Kare to & bloom was sitting on my shelf. I remembered I heard it was short, so that’s like, most of my…

Hanaemu Kare to & bloom (Him, the Smile & Bloom) // All Routes and Thoughts

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Hello! These might be questions you're not capable of answering I'm sorry orz but my google search wasn't successful and you're like the only person I could think of asking to shine a light upon my ignorance HAHA 1) Do you know of any recent otoge anime adaptations (or at least anime from otoge even if they aren't adapting the story)? I was thinking Collar x Malice deep cover to be the most recent I'm aware of but that's also like… 3 years ago 2) This is related so I'm adding it here as a second question if this isn't an inconvenience, but have there been less otoge anime adaptations these past years? Is there a reason for this such as not enough viewership/support/interest from fans or just budgeting?

Hello! I tried to poke around to see if there was anything substantial from official sources but as expected, these are probably all internal considerations so it’s difficult to comment on conclusively.

Have there been any recent otome game anime adaptations?  

No, there have not. CollarxMalice was the latest anime adaptation from my search as well, unless you consider the Uta no Prince-sama movies also part of an otome franchise, then that would be the latest otome game-based anime.

2. Why have there been less anime adaptations of otome games?

I’ve reframed this question from ‘are there less’ to ‘why are there less adaptations?’ since it’s a given and I believe you’re also thinking along the same lines already. I think there’s a lot of reasons for this, many of which have to do with the trends in Japan. The biggest one arguably is the decreased interest in otome games in general as can be seen in the number of titles released compared to historical numbers. This trend has been mirrored by galge as well, and also in the amount of anime adaptations of them (this is a list of R18 game anime adaptations to 2022, a majority male-targeted, but I think it translates my message adequately).

Anime adaptations of anything require a substantial amount of interest, capital and potential returns. If the source material’s own market is already struggling, branching out (as in the case of anime adaptations) is likely to cause more loss. Tangentially related are these questions I answered in the past about a decline in shoujo-media anime adaptations.

However, while we may think of “media mix” as anime series or movies, there has also been an increasing number of other types such as live actions (movies or dramas, also touched on in the questions above) and stage plays. All of Otomate’s top-selling otome games have been adapted for stage as can be seen on this list. Whereas in the past top otome game sellers have had anime adaptations alongside stage adaptations (eg. AMNESIA, Code Realize, Hanayaka Waga Ichizoku etc.), more recently we’ve seen many stage adaptation only announcements (9RIP, Bilshana, Piofore etc.). However live action adaptations are likely to fall under the same constraints as anime productions as functionally they are similar and rely on similar forms of mass-marketing and large audience base to recoup costs leading to higher risk. The latest live action adaptations I could find were Hakuouki (2022) and Doubt (2019) which are just as infrequent as anime adapations.

Potentially a reason for stage play-only preference would be a lower associated cost for production in comparison to anime or live actions given a lower upfront cost, with a shorter run and minimal post production. There would be a higher financial risk in adapting for television or cinema such as the need for famous actors, well-known staff and broader distribution to increase visibility and chances for success. Stage productions can overcome these through using lesser known actors and staff while being less reliant on mass marketing due to audience size constraints thus decreasing cost. Additionally with an interested audience already present at the venue means they can also sell merchandise directly removing associated middleman costs (store distribution, shipping and logistics). This acts as a safe means for generating revenue on top of reducing risks of losing money. In comparison, when anime or live action productions fail, the losses tend to be greater due to the initial greater investment.

Another argument against film adaptations (both live action and anime) falls under a feature of the source content, multiple routes. When deciding whether to adapt an otome game for film, there would likely be a limit to the amount of content that could be featured due to time constraints leading to a linear story unlike the source material. Thus staff would have to either adapt a specific game route, merge route stories or create a completely new story. This presents as a dilemma for the source material as:

Adapt the content faithfully and it will cannibalise the number of potential new players who gain interest in the source game

Adapt the content too poorly by taking liberties and it will harm the reputation of the source game, losing interest from potential players

I anticipate there are other issues that have not been addressed, but these points are the most evident and may explain why there are fewer anime adaptations of otome games recently.

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Distorted Code -Seija no Nokoriga- // Virtual Reality, Occult Horror, ???? Chapters and final thoughts

Distorted Code -Seija no Nokoriga- // Virtual Reality, Occult Horror, ???? Chapters and final thoughts

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Do you have any tips for learning Japanese? Are you a native speaker yourself?

I am most definitely! Not a native! Not even native level! Hahaha. Just a weab.

This wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been asked about learning Japanese, not gonna lie.

Regardless of the method of learning, I believe the biggest concern for any learner is motivation. It is important to have a goal that can keep you focused. If one isn’t even passionate enough to keep trying as mistakes and confusion would be constant when one is new, it would become impossible to retain any useful information. 

I’ve reiterated that my method was constant exposure after professionally taught fundamentals (for example learning in school, taking classes). I did have a short gap between quitting the subject in school for other reasons and picking it back up with otome games a few years later which could have been demotivating, but luckily when you’re younger, these skills are retained much easier.

So my main advice would be to find a method of exposure and constant stimulation that you personally find enjoyable. Anything else is secondary to that because as the saying goes, “when there’s a will, there’s a way”.

I’ve compiled some questions I’ve answered in the past that might be helpful for learners depending on their level:

Places to obtain digital manga and their pros and cons

Otome games aimed at younger audiences with simpler language

Dictionary….discourse????

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Hi, I read some of your blogs related to otome games and different audiences. Just now starting to look at some of your translations and would like to thank you for the work you're doing; it is very helpful for a noob like me who doesn't speak a lick of Japanese and is new to otome games.

I saw your tweet a few weeks ago that said that otome was not an audience, which I agree. From my understanding, it refers to the MC. For context, here's a snippet of what I'll be referring to: "There is no demographic called "maiden"; by that logic galge are also targeted at girls, BL games are targeted at "BL" and GL games are targeted at "GL"."

However, your blog on female audiences mentions the differences in 3 types of female fans: yumejoshi, otome and fujoshi.

Maybe I'm taking things too literally. I just wanted some clarification on what you meant by that. Again, I understand that "otome" in the context of otome games refers to the protagonist and not the player.

Oh, oh no. Hahaha. You’ve made me realise that I didn’t do enough research when I wrote that post 7 years ago. I don’t think the post is accurate at all anymore. I’ve gone back and revised the blog post.

The reason I completely forgot about it was because all the recent discussions about the term misconstrues the “otome” part of “otome game” to literally mean “it is targeted at maidens (otome) so only maidens can play”. This kind of logic is flawed in that no further clarification can ever be made as to what constitutes a “maiden”, leading to discussions rife with misinformation.

In the context of that tweet, the descriptor “otome”, “BL”, “yuri” do not refer to the audience nor the protagonists, but to the content matter. All three are categories of romance so it's specifically about the types portrayed. Otome means that the romantic content is GxB, BL (boy's love) means that the romantic content is BxB, yuri means that the romantic content is GxG. In the case of galge/”gal games”, which are romance games that focus on BxG romance, it is not immediately obvious just like the otome label.

Here it is purely from the perspective of marketing and what drives commercial companies to categorise their products under these labels. This is a previous question I got about “otome” media outside of games and how I came to the conclusion “otome” is about content. 

In my post about yumejoshi and fujoshi to a minor extent, this perspective is purely about fandom. The terms yumejoshi and fujoshi are fandom terms whereas when I mention demographic, that is referring to marketing terms. For example, BL products aren’t targeted at fujoshi, it’s officially considered targeted at women. However despite this broad labelling and that women do not necessarily all share the same interests, in actuality it targets a subgroup of women who are interested in gay romance. “Fujoshi” is the self-given fan label for consumers of that content; companies do not refer to their fans in an official capacity in this manner.

In my original blog post, I thought “otome” referred to a fan group in the same way as “fujoshi”, but for BxG shippers and distinct from yumejoshi. In terms of the label “otome” for otome game fans, there does appear to be evidence that early fans were referred to as “otome” in fan media which was then adopted by commercial game companies. However, nowadays not many, if anyone at all, refers to fans of otome works as “otome”. Otome media is still much more likely to be branded as content for yumejoshi by fans despite a fan poll of almost 55 thousand people demonstrating a majority of players did not self-insert or consider the heroine as themselves when playing otome games.

So to summarise the correct information:

Otome, yuri, BL refer to romantic content, specifically ship conformations

Otome and BL games are both categories of games aimed at a female audience but not necessarily the same people

Yumejoshi and fujoshi are self-given fan labels, they are not official demographic labels

I hope that makes it clear what I meant without confusing you further. I feel guilty writing something incorrectly earlier, so I can only hope there wasn’t much damage done.

As for the emoji in Wavebox, they act as little messages of support, especially in cases where you may not have anything to say. No worries, I picked them myself so there is no right or wrong way to use them. Hehehe.

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After what Brocolli did to UtaPri franchise, I wonder if Otome fans ever wanted to give chances to the company or did they permanently left the company after what they did? Since I'm seeing so many already don't tolerate any hybrid changes to Otome genre cuz they separated themselves from BL and Galge for a reason

I’m not sure what I can really do to measure this change?

There are people who say they will never buy a game again from Broccoli but whether they did that or not, I have no way to check.

Otome games, particularly one off purchase games, as a market is also getting smaller and smaller so players will feel particularly more inclined to protect their niche. However people have been complaining about the same things we’re seeing now about otome games as far back as 2011.

Otome games didn’t “separate from BL and galge”, they originated as something else to begin with. There were games that attempted to mix these elements early on, but given they were overtaken by the specific genres, they likely proved to be less fruitful for companies to pursue over limiting the games to specific content.

See my twitter pinned blog post for more information.

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I’ve been living in japan for 3 years and not been studying well. So my japanese is moreso n0 but can listen and understand basic things but can’t talk well. I feel like when I first came to japan my japanese was better than it is now. I realize I might be also feeling discourage because of having encountered asshole ojisans along the way that I feel kinda scared interacting with japanese ppl. I would full on have conversations without a care of mistakes with foreigners in jp but turn mute if it was a japanese person. Not helping that my family can do all the japanese stuff for me. So how do I get myself out of this mentality

First of all I’m flattered that you consider me as someone who you can trust with a deeply personal issue. I have to preface this with an abundance of caution since I also do not know your situation enough to give tailored advice nor am I really trained or equipped to, so best I can do is give you some food for thought.

What I can gather from your message is that you feel your Japanese linguistic ability is capable enough to communicate with people but you feel a lack of confidence with natives. The fact that you thought your skill was better in the past is proof that you noticed a gap in your perceived skill and actual level, which is not necessarily a bad thing, because it can tell you where you can focus on to develop that confidence again. In fact, you may not even be getting worse as you perceive, but you’ve simply changed the way you judge your own skill after learning what is actually important in communicating.

Consider what your thought process is when you fear interaction with natives. Is it an issue with not knowing how to say the sentences even though you know what you want to say? Or do you know what to say but fear judgment? If you realise that speaking to non-natives is much more freeing, what has changed between the two contexts that is influencing your behaviour?

It is difficult to get out of the mindset after having experienced something negative since we dwell on those experiences a lot more than neutral or positive ones. It is also important to remember that the more we dwell and distance ourselves to protect our comfort zone, the more our confidence will end up dropping. How you choose to approach these issues will inevitably depend on your own findings. Clearly you’re already thinking deeply about this so I see that as a good starting point.

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In harem content aimed at men, it's common to see yuri where two (or more) members of the harem kiss or grope each other. The 100 Girlfriends is an example of this. Male readers welcome it and don't see it as NTR or betrayal as long as they still love the MC. Some even see it as titillation. But in otome, when two men flirt with each other, somehow otome fans get mad. I wonder why there's a difference in thinking.

Men and women have different preferences so it’s a kind of false equivalence to think that something is okay in the male targeted industry so flip the genders without changing anything else and it will be okay in the female targeted industry. Men and women have different interests that attract their attention, shaped by differences in social expectations, innate tendencies, experiences and even cultural influences. That in turn affects the types of stories and themes they are likely to find engaging. Though there can be universal themes, the implementation of it for each target audience would still differ.

It should already be a known fact that even amongst women, their interests are not all exactly the same. It is the same for every other demographic out there. The assumption that, “Male readers welcome (GL) and don't see it as NTR or betrayal as long as they still love the MC”, is misguided as there are guys that do not like yuri content as well. Just as there are also some female fans of the Garumani situation drama that didn’t see any issue with it. It is the same as how there are people who like spicy food and those who like sweet foods, if one person enjoys sweet and spicy foods, it does not make the one who does not enjoy spicy food but enjoys sweet food abnormal.

In the case with Garumani, while it is true the addition of BL content is what ignited discourse, there were also other reasons why the arguments had gotten so out of control. The biggest one is disrespecting the basis of what makes the work an “otome” work, treating the heroine as an aside while focusing on the relationship development of the two supposed love interests for her. Furthermore their followup ended up fanning the flames by giving excuses, not acknowledging the fans’ feelings and handling the entire situation poorly which showed that they did not understand nor care for their audience at all.