this is satyricplotter, my NSFW, x reader sideblog, styled so after secretive plotter from omniscient reader.
i am an adult. you can call me percy. any pronouns are fine. i love nicknames, also.
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THIS IS A DARK CONTENT BLOG. i don't recommend you follow if you do not want to see any of the following: incest, dub and non con, somnophilia, teenage sex, age gap. others may apply. you can always ask to tag anything not in here. and while i do welcome genuine, mature conversation about these topics, i am not interested in discussing my own morality for indulging in them.
✸ main fandom: dc -- batman -- robins
i mostly write for dick, jason and tim. you can very easily persuade me to write for any member of the batfam or any of their close friends, if i have not done so already. i don't do requests per se, but if you throw a concept at me, i'll give you my thoughts on it :)
→ other fandoms: svsss, orv, mcu!spidey, assorted manga and manhwa (u can ask)
→ a note on reader's gender identity: i try to leave it as gender neutral as possible so as to make it easier to self-insert, but in sexual contexts i will probably specify the genitalia involved. i don't use agab language to tag and i also usually do not assign any gender to the reader while writing, regardless of pronouns or genitalia, unless i'm gendering them socially for the purposes of the narrative.
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A patient, explaining what their relationship is to their new visitor who was headed up to see them, said, “he’s my guardian,” and I said “oh I didn’t you had a legal guardian,” and the patient said, “he’s not my legal guardian, he’s my spiritual and physical guardian. He is also my brother. Well, I say he’s my brother. He’s like a brother. He’s my husband.” And I say this with genuinely no judgment, just pure curiosity, what
OOOHHH whenever you have the time I need to know your thoughts on Jason and bdsm 🥵 that post about Dick was SO delicious and interesting and well thought out and I can't live with "Jason is a rope bunny" as my only peek into your brain on this topic I HAVE to know more!!
This is a more ample question than the one about bondage, so I'm just gonna run through, like, the acronym and give my thoughts on where Jay sits there imo. If you have any kink in specific you want me to talk about lmk. As you know, my blanket policy is that as far as we're utilizing them for reader fiction, then they can be whatever you want, and I'm not opposed to exploring other facets of their characters, and sexuality is fluid, and so on and so forth. This is just my two cents.
In general, I think sex itself is both simple and complicated for Jason. He wants it and doesn't. I find it difficult to characterize the relationship he has with sex, because I don't think the sex itself is the complicated part, but the vulnerability attached to it. The activity on its own, if it could be devoid of meaning, would be no issue for him to accomplish. He could safely relegate it to body upkeep. But it won't work like that, because sex without any emotional connection has no draw for him. To me, Jason doesn't really feel attraction per se very often, and he doesn't get any urge to have sex or gets pent up the way, say, Tim does. But he does crave it from time to time, and it's an emotional need rather than a physical one. It's the very vulnerability involved in sex which makes it enjoyable to Jason.
He can have casual sex, and in fact the majority of the sex he has is casual, no-strings-attached one-offs, but it cannot be nonchalant sex. This is why I think the vast majority of the sex he has involves BDSM in some way, because the level of vulnerability is bigger for what you're giving up, but the act itself is structured so that it's a safer sort of vulnerability. If you do it right, which he doesn't always. But more on that later. He likes sex as a process to go through, and I think the more involved nature of sadomasochism gives the casual sex that is the only type of sex he is seeking most of the time enough of an emotional foothold that it scratches that itch for him.
I think Jason after Bruce is the most predisposed to seek out and enjoy BDSM, but unlike Bruce, who could not have vanilla sex indefinitely even if he really loved you, when Jason has his emotional needs met in a long term relationship, he'd be fine without it. Or at least without the structure and formality of it. There's nothing you could do to erase his sexual temperament, but I presume if you're in a relationship with him, you like it already. For example, I think he really likes cockwarming, and I think he could do it really lowkey. Like, chill. But that's still BDSM, so, you know. Nuance.
So, letters. I think Jason's a sub, honestly. He derives the most pleasure from giving himself up. He can be dominant if needed, I think certain people would bring it out in him, and with a partner it would be a labor of love he'd gladly take up too. But in general, the trust in the letting go is what really does it for him and makes it worth. I think this above all other aspects is the most important one for him, which is why I say you could be having very vanilla sex if the feelings are BDSM and he wouldn't mind.
(To me) (Narratively) His submission is a plea for a safe world. At its core, this is the same plea that he made when he was a child on the streets, when he was Robin fighting crime, when he was dying in that warehouse waiting for Bruce. Show me that the world is good and I can trust it with me/my body. It's a hopeful offering that he expects, and wants, half the time to be refused. (It's useful for me to compare it with Dick, who I believe leans more dominant, because Dick's choice of submission has been taken from him a lot and that has led to a desire for more control imo because he has the same question, but he doesn't trust anybody with the answer, but Jason shares that mistrust and still cannot stop asking.)
Despite being a quippy asshole in general, I think he's a very obedient sub. The times he acts out are when he's truly irritated, like honestly sincere about it, not playing at it. Feeling like there's something he wants and isn't getting it, and what he wants is for you to put him in his place. He lives for that moment when everything slots into place and there are hands to hold him and somebody to tell him what to do, where to go, what he is. It's sense in a senseless world and it prevails upon him. Aftercare is hugely important for him, because the transition from that to the world as it is is so jarring. He always feels embarrassed about it once he's out of subspace, though. I think when he's having sex safely, he tries to be really normal about it so he doesn't freak his partner out and the feigning helps him center himself.
As with Dick, bondage is a little special in the fact that he can undo most bonds really easily. He's stronger than Dick, too, so he could probably break through easier. But for him, I think the intention of restraint is enough because he is obedient. He is unequivocally the rope bunny all the time, and he favors tighter ropes, more complex knots, longer times. It's about endurance too. He likes sensory deprivation too. Most of the heavier stuff, he likes it done to him. I think very, very rarely he wants to do it to somebody else. Straight up, he wants to be toyed with.
In my books, he's straight up a masochist. I do not think he's a sadist whatsoever. When fighting crime, the satisfaction he derives is not from the violence itself, but the justice, the comeuppance. I think he gets that satisfaction in sex from being hurt himself. He likes feeling the pain, likes the way it centers him, it places him in his own body. I also think he likes losing himself in that feeling and being brought back from it. Often I think he goes out into the night to get beat up and it's sexual for him but not for the guys beating him up. Blood gets him worked up.
I come back to a point I've been wanting to make, which is that I don't think he's having a lot of safe sex. And I mean safe in the "don't get hurt" kind of way, because he's very strict about pregnancies. I sort of headcanon he's got advanced healing and a higher threshold for pain, more stamina etc as a result of his dip in the pit, and I think he uses this to push himself to limits most people are not comfortable with. And Jason knows the game, he knows what boundaries are, and I think he respects the form a lot to not want to push people beyond where they wanna go, so I think he deliberately seeks out people who just don't care or play it fast and loose with the limits.
He's the type to seek out the angry, older man in the gay club who will drag him to his knees by the hair and fuck his face until he's coming down his throat, and then at most pat his cheek and say thank you when he's done. Too rough, no aftercare, and they're just strangers. Didn't even negotiate any of it. He'll just stay there kneeling, maybe with a split lip if he asked the man to slap him, and then take himself home to put himself back together. It's not a nice and safe practice, and it's not the sex he has most often, but it's what he wants sometimes. To feel used and scorned and hurt. I think in a long term relationship, the craving for this eases up, but a combo of this sort of really rough sex and good aftercare really undoes him.
seen so many videos with nathan from jetboy fan casts for jason and couldn’t get it out of my head
if you can ignore the just okay acting - jetboy is a surprisingly heartwarming story about 2 people accidentally becoming father and son <- look up trigger warnings if you plan on watching it
ID 1: an interview between Krista Tippet and Marie Howe.
Ms. Tippett: What do you mean? What is the assignment? 10 observations of their actual world?
Ms. Howe: Just tell me what you saw this morning like in two lines. I saw a water glass on a brown tablecloth, and the light came through it in three places. No metaphor. And to resist metaphor is very difficult because you have to actually endure the thing itself, which hurts us for some reason.
Ms. Tippett: It does.
ID 2: underlined text on paper reading:
Magdalene at the Theopoetics Conference
Yes, the scholar said, but why ask your students
to write these close observations?
What use is it to notice the rusted drainpipe?
The young woman asleep in the library
her head resting on her folded arms?
Why should they look inside the petals of the purple tulip
to the yellow pollen-coated stamen?
Or under their beds to where the dust has collected?
Okay I think it’s been enough time. I am SO curious about that lazarus tag…. What’s going on there 👀
oh haha it's nothing much. This is my "Jason goes to college and majors in something that is of service to nobody for himself, which is to say, poetry" fic. I literally do not have a plot to it and I wrote like 500 words of nothing like a year ago when the inspiration stuck, but it's mostly a bunch of ideas and feelings I've got about Jason re: reckoning with his death and living again thru poetry. It's titled after the Marie Howe poem, Magdalene at the theopoetics conference, and a passage from The Sparrow where the main character is compared to as Magdalene and he corrects them and says he is more Lazarus. If you've already read these two things, you probably know what the thread here is, but I'll try to summarize it as best as I can without spoilers if you haven't.
The main character of The Sparrow is a jesuit priest who was the linguist in a semi-religious first contact mission to another planet and the book is about untangling the events that led to him being the only survivor. As you can imagine, what happened to him was very harrowing, and he's subjected to a lot of questioning after he returns to earth. The shape his pain takes reminds me a lot of Jason. A part of him has died and he is incredibly angry and betrayed about it. The way Emilio, the protag, feels about God and faith is kind of how I'd like to think Jason feels about Bruce and vigilantism, less in the sense of Bruce-as-God and more of God-as-father. The rage and the helplessness and the injustice and the disillusionment of it all just reminds me so much of him.
I wanted to explore the idea of having faith in vigilantism and losing that as a vocation as a result of being victimized and waffling on it because you're not sure if what you're doing is enough or effective or changing anything at all. Pretty standard fare for the superhero, I think, but Jason never flaked like that, and I find that pretty interesting, so I wanna know why. The willingness to kill is central to his effectiveness, but it keeps him from his peers, and I do think eventually it would wear him out. Huntress has probably already tackled all this, but it's what I've got.
And then the poem, which is a very lovely poem, is about a scholar asking (presumably Magdalene at the theopoetics conference haha) about why she asks her students to write simple observations, which is actually an exercise Marie Howe does, and then they list them. My interpretation of the poem is that the observation is the point. The being able to watch at all. The being able to sit and observe and bring out the beauty of the simple characteristic into the text. The peace that brings this opportunity into fruition. Or the turmoil that must pause. In essence, the point of the living is the living.
I think Jason has thought a lot about death and he has thought a lot about justice but I don't think he's thought so much about living. I liked that the defunct Red Hood run pointed at that in the first issue. I think the DC KO issue he's in also gives you a good point from which to jump off of, but I'm really concerned about his personal life moreso than his professional life. In the sense that I think he switched one for the other. The loss of his life cost him his life, not his faith, but then what is he? What is the point of it? How can he think about his own life if all he does is fight?
I liked the idea of him going to college, or at least running into a workshop of sorts or whatever, maybe Jesuit run, even, to keep with the theopoetics angle, and using the theopoetics as an excuse to disentangle his relationship with Bruce/vigilantism. I think poetry is just finicky enough to really catch him off guard. The point of the theopoetics is to approach the idea ?? of God through text, at a distance from the logical/scientific, which I think would be appealing for him in a way (he likes reading) and disrupting (it's markedly off model from the education he received/how Bruce interacts with the world). And I'd like it if the teaching came even partly from a (catholic) priest, because I don't think Jason would respect the teaching or the institution he belongs to, but he'd be well served by finding useful things for himself from someone whose ideology he doesn't care for. I don't think he can do that from Bruce yet.
tl;dr: it's just a little universe where Jason studies poetry as a way to regain some meaning in his personal life, but it has no plot whatsoever
speaking of Jason mommy issues, I gotta get something off my chest and I feel like this is a decent place to discuss it.
I’m a big big fan of Talia Al Ghul and love her as a morally gray character even though she is kind of designed from day 1 to be Thee evil seductress trope (in orientalist flavor no less).
Her role in Red Hood: The Lost Days is something a lot of people aren’t a fan of. Mostly near the end of the run when she sleeps with Jason as a way for him to say ‘fuck Batman,’ or at least how the writer views would be a good way to say it. I understand diagetically she’s the one sleeping with a guy she cared for and knew since he was a child, but reading it knowing the comic author behind it makes it really clear they just wanted him to look badass by sleeping with his dads girlfriend. Which is why I don’t take this character moment for her too seriously, nor do I think a lot of other Batman fans do compared to say, Grant Morrison’s writing of her conceiving Damian through non consensual means (another big discussion but I’m not talking abt that rn).
That being said 👆I find the concept of her manipulating Jason really really compelling. Talia, because she loves Bruce but is at odds with him, decides to look after a resurrected Jason. And Jason, not naive and very recently (in his mind) burned from his experience, but also maybe craving a familial figure who won’t let him down, accepts the support reluctantly.
Obviously this comic focuses on the failings Bruce has in his life and not his birth parents, but if it did, I just think he’s all the more suggestible to Talia’s efforts. And, ideally (to me), they kind of take space as an ‘almost family.’ Her lover’s kid and his dad’s love- neither of them can really reconcile with Bruce for various reasons but there can be an understanding in that with each other. I can easily see them toeing the line of keeping each other at arm’s length and genuine care.
This got really long but tldr: I see the potential in their dynamic and think it could get really weird and uncomfortable and sad and desperate. And I like that.
Hi, this was really interesting to think about! I reread TLD to make sure I was picking up what you were putting down and I was surprised to see it was more meaty than I remembered. I'm kinda fascinated with the way this specific comic treats Talia, which I believe was accidental? Admittedly, the only big Talia appearances I've read have been this one and Son of the Demon, and I think a couple of the early Batman chapters where she's introduced. But those were a while ago, so take my opinions with a grain of salt.
As you say, I think the issue is twofold. To me, Talia is a woman of such dignity that I cannot imagine she could not accomplish what she meant without resorting to having sex with Jason. And in general I do not think she would touch any child she considered hers either. So it is out of character for her, but very in line with the plot of the comic. Chiefly, the intention of TLD is to bridge the gap between Robin, the child subordinate to Batman tragically killed, to the Red Hood, the mastermind going toe to toe with the greatest detective in the world, essentially a peer. So it's Jason's transition from child to adult, sped up (which is very interesting in terms of character, because I don't think it accomplishes this at all psychologically for Jason, even if it does do it symbolically; and I like the velocity in terms of what it implies for his loss of self) and hinging on him shucking off the father's teachings to forge his own path. The loss of childhood is marked by his murder of the german trafficker: he has killed and there is no taking that back, so after that he stops being regarded as a kid. (it's so funny to me that they gave him that ridiculous stubble that makes him look forty. You're not tricking me???)
So to aid in this, Talia's function is to shift alongside him: from mother figure/caretaker in his catatonic state, to mentor as he's navigating his apprenticeships, to sexual conquest when he completes his resolve. You're right that having sex with Talia is another triumph over Batman, it's encroaching on his territory and taking what is symbolically his. Like the usurpation of a house. Throughout all this, even though Talia displays her own opinions, which don't favor Jason most of the time, she exists to make this point about Jason's journey. Her body is the first site of victory of the Red Hood over Batman. It's a very misogynistic treatment of her character, I get why people don't like it. The placement shifts were very cleanly done, though, I wonder if Winnick was being deliberate or it was just his own misogyny bleeding through. And it aids in the interpretation that it gives the relationship an incestual tint: she shifts from mother to sexual partner as the son grows, so as to suit his needs.
Now, in-story, you gotta wonder what's going through Talia's head. These type of outrageous character beats are always interesting to work with to me because it really forces you be creative with how much you can stretch the character's range of action. It's like with Dick cheating: I don't think he's a serial cheater or anything, but I do think he has it in him under specific circumstances, and my god if it doesn't add a lot for his and Barbara's relationship. I think the best policy is to break away from the narrative the writer is adamant on going with and try to twist it somewhat into plausibility. So here, I don't think Talia fucks teenagers on the regular and this is a done-by-necessity one-off, probably, but it's interesting to wonder what led to her thinking it was a necessity. And furthermore, I wonder if she knows the overarching narrative going on, the mother-to-bride role she's been put in, and is playing into it deliberately. Not metafictionally or anything, but, like, structurally.
The thing is that reading TLD I was so struck by how she and Ra's interact. She herself is not childish, but Ra's treats her like a child. And it's so painfully obvious how much he wants Bruce over her, even though he does consider her an extension of himself. Her wins are his and her failures are all hers. All of her concerns are feeble-minded trivialities that he has to correct. He allows her the gamble on Jason as an indulgence of a child's whim, but only so far. It feels so old school father-daughter. But Bruce is his peer, he is somebody of value. He is a real person. Ra's doesn't get everything about Bruce correct, but he knows Talia very well. I can only imagine the complicated feelings this provokes in her.
I bring this up because I think Talia comes to see Jason as a reflection of herself, as children of a man whose mission you share but have different views on. I don't think she sees him as a son, or at least not by the end. Or if she sees him as a son, it is sort of in the way that Ra's sees her as a daughter, except she doesn't have Ra's temperament or methods. I do think she has some affection for Jason, but the reason she takes him in is because she loves Bruce wholeheartedly. The easy way in would be to just recover Jason and give him over to Bruce and enjoy his ample gratitude. Ra's says he wouldn't be grateful, but he lacks the intimate knowledge Talia has of him: Bruce would be so, so grateful. But he'd stop being Batman. Because the thing he became to avenge and honor his parents became the very reason his son was murdered, and his son is brought alive to him, if unwell? He'd pour all of his energy into that. It may be a gradual shift, but I do think Batman would eventually be left to the wayside. Maybe after he solves the question of why, but I think Bruce is more prone to leave mysteries of the supernatural kind unsolved than people think. This miracle is enough to change a man.
But, crucially, Talia doesn't want a changed man. She wants the man she fell in love with. And the Batman is such an integral part of who Bruce is, of what makes him himself, of what makes him appealing to her. She respects the Dark Knight inasmuch as she respects the head of the Demon, you know? The great institutions of power, larger than the men of them. I think also she wants the man that would save her from her father, even though she doesn't truly want to be saved from her father, and not by him, you get me? If Bruce was any less than the legend he is, he couldn't do that.
So she takes Jason in, and she feels pity and affection for him, both as a hurt child and as her beloved's son (I guess sort of like a stepson. A child that Could Be hers). And then she can't fix him, she can't restore him to what she was, and she pushes him into the pit, and he's a handful set on hurt and revenge. The manipulation I find a very reasonable tactic. She's clearly shocked by how badly he reacts to finding out what Bruce did, leaving Joker alive and getting another Robin. At least she guides him towards reasonable outcomes, less destruction, etc. I don't know if she hoped he would blow himself up during one of his escapades and save her the trouble. But keeping him alive and on a reasonable warpath becomes 1) a matter of pride -- it's on her not to prove her father right (and herself less capable), even though he was, 2) a matter of safety -- he is dangerous and trained, and she's already involved with him. For any one reason, coming from any side, he can be held against her. And he's already unstable, so.
I think this is also why she has sex with him. Her mentorship and manipulation is very motherly at times. It makes sense, not only because she took care of him like that at the beginning, but because he would've responded to that stimulus much better. Particularly in contrast with Bruce's betrayal. It's not like Talia can't imagine the impact of an affectionate/proud parent can have on a child thirsty for it. The problem with that is that I think Jason would have stuck to her long if she decided to play it motherly in the long run. He's far more likely to imprint onto her, and therefore stick to being an issue for her, because he wants to be parented so badly. So the sex is the way to ensure he is on the right path (this here is the taste of triumph) AND a way to disengage with him. It draws a clear line: allies, peers, etc. Not anything deeper. She becomes one more woman. That's sort of what I mean by saying she plays into the mother/sexual object dichotomy. It's quick and it's efficient.
I think if she didn't do that, and if she played into the motherly mentor role more, and particularly if she began to buy it herself (which I think she's prone to do), things could get real dicey with them real soon. Because Jason loves, loooooves a mother that doesn't love him back. Or more like, a mother that loves him imperfectly. And he would ride or die for Talia. I think if she were in a better spot, she might've thought of that and taken the gamble. But given how volatile Jason seemed, I don't think she was confident in playing that angle for long. It would be a GREAT card to play on Bruce, too, but again, she loves him.
I don't have the opportunity to delve into the desirer vs object of desire divide across gender in birdwatcher even though it's one of the aspects that fascinate me the most about dick's character bc im keeping birdwatcher mc deliberately gender neutral and do believe a good chunk of their dynamic remains untouched despite the lack of specificity BUT i was thinking about the omegaverse the other day and how well the mechanics of ruts and heats and their inevitability and urgency push the boundaries of the way dick and bwmc deal with want/being wanted, like really stretching the premise of what they think is allowed for themselves in regards to desire and being desire, while also yk giving me an avenue to explore some gender configuration without sacrificing the relatively blank slate of bwmc. except i thought about it and i could not for the life of me decide what secondary gender bwmc would be so. im taking it to the masses and making a poll. i'll reblog in a min with a few thoughts
in a birdwatcher omegaverse au, you and dick are...
an incredibly repressed alpha (you) vs a flourishing omega (dick)
a failed omega (you) vs a prized alpha (dick)
both omegas (he is what you should be and you still want him)
both alphas (he is what you should be and you shouldn't want him)
bwmc is always a beta forever locked out of the mating dance
i guess my general point i should outline here is that no matter what dick is framed as an object of desire whose undeniable allure makes people act out, and those advances he must endure with dignity but (for the sake of his masculinity) take the lead on if he decides to act on them. he is always posited as an active actor in any romantic advance made unto him, it's like it never occurs to the text that he can be powerless or lacking desire, even if he very clearly is. as though the act itself (sex, or the suggestion of sex) overrides his senses. this is why i didn't give a beta! dick option.
in contrast birdwatcher mc is always denied any advancement, and they have learned not to make them at all. they possess no allure and they cannot create it, it is something that must be discovered or thrust upon them, it's something interpreted over their body. but they have clear want, which they safeguard zealously and never express, because they fear both rejection AND forcing their body and self upon somebody else. and their want is never passive, it is always keenly felt and held within them, something they have to actively work to keep inside.
all this remains valid in normal verse and in this omegaverse, but i feel like you can mix and match secondary gender. which is why i'm having so much trouble picking.
a few other considerations:
we're always playing with dick being the model for how things should be and bwmc for how things go wrong; dick is always perfect, you are always defective. naturally the places where they work with each other and not with anybody else are meant to highlight the issues with the system they live in
if you're an alpha, you are traumatized by your carnality and the loss of control in a rut. you are deathly afraid of forcing yourself upon somebody else. like a very classically werewolf conflict, you think of yourself as a beast and your want is that of a beast, inherently violent. you probably do not interact much with omegas.
omega dick is your worst nightmare if you're an alpha, because he is literally Made For You. he ignites you like no other. this is a universe where you'd be a lot more hostile towards him in the beginning, because you'd be so afraid of him. you probably seem extremely old fashioned to everybody, and actively play that up to hide the great shame you feel about having sexual desire. you double up on the suppressants whenever you know you're gonna meet him.
i think he finds this extremely reassuring, though. he has been through it as an omega. he takes great pains not to reveal it, though, and how wary it's made him. i think he's very good at rejecting advances and flipping it in such a way that is sort of like mm emasculating, I guess, for the alpha making the move. but you never make any move and you are extremely careful not to even suggest that you would, even though he knows you would. the lengths you take to keep him safe from you are very comforting for him, because hardly anybody does that.
naturally i think his desire for you becomes about giving himself over to you and have you ravish him completely. just the most omega shit imaginable, open and leaking and whining for you to knot him, the kind of stuff that he'd curled his lip at before. it grows to be about you taking him for yourself, with him giving you permission to. and it soon frustrates him a lot that no matter how much he tries to seduce you, you just won't budge. it makes him anxious in a way he's never been, because he's never not been wanted before, so it sort of undermines his sense of self, but he does know you want him, you just won't act on it. and he just grows bolder and bolder. this could very easily be a slippery slope though.
if you are the omega, then the base of what you are is ruined. you are immediately defective. you're like a complete outlier for everything that society says an omega should be. THE defining factor for an omega is how irresistible they are: they exist to be wanted and taken and bred. and nobody wants to do that to you. it just completely obliterates your sense of self. i'd be BAFFLED if anybody beyond medics and HR knows you're an omega after you're out of high school and can freely take suppressants. it's the greatest blot to your pride ever.
your relationship with dick is very odd and somewhat stilted i think. you resent the fact you like him and feel so attracted to him, but the resentment is towards yourself and not him. to you, he is just an alpha man living his life, a great specimen etc, and what you feel has nothing to do with him. it's a betrayal of your own body. dick is probably the only person who knows you're an omega right away, and he's fascinated by your decision to hide it to such an extent, but i don't think the practice is in itself uncommon, so he wouldn't wise up to the why of it until way later. he himself feels very freed by your refusal to acknowledge him as an alpha (aka viable mate option)
he is content to play into your denial of yourself at first, because it benefits him and it makes interacting with you easier (he is noooo stranger to omegas taking liberties and making up expectations of him in their head), and then it just kills him slowly every day he wants you so badly. i think he's very cautious about it, though, because he can tell that the hurt is very large, and he's really sensitive about not crossing a line or not making you be something you don't want to be. this version of him is like, woke abt second gender. he's a second gender abolitionist. he just jerks off to the idea of you coming to him for your heat, flushed and sweaty and crying, already starting to leak, at least twice a day also.
he's horrible about the pheromone stuff tho. like terribly possessive. marking his territory the only way he can. at first it's sort of involuntary, just because he likes you and you're his friend and you're around a lot, and then it becomes Very Deliberate, particularly after it comes out that you're an omega. I think before people wise up to the fact that you're an omega he keeps its kinda discreet, like people would smell you and think you're close, maybe family, but when you get off suppressants or somebody makes the reveal, then he is obnoxious about it. scenting you all the time. biting you lightly if somebody else is watching.
i think this is an interesting configuration bc the idea of it is technically very traditional (this is probably the straightest you'll ever be) but i don't think either of you play into that, and dick's choice of you as omega WILL be questioned regardless of the fact that it's "natural" for an omega and an alpha to get together. i also don't think you'll ever be comfortable playing up the omega in you, so you're always gonna be a little gnc i guess
if you are both the same secondary gender, then your attraction is instantly made explicitly queer and there's a level of transgression that would make your desire for dick reassuring, in the sense of you getting an explanation for what's wrong with you, and shameful, in the sense of perverting dick and taking him away from the "correct" path
if you're both omegas, i think your resentment WILL spill over to him. omega dick is like... proof of concept. you cannot lie to yourself and say something isn't wrong with you, because you have an example of exactly what you should be. and you're very resentful of him for being that, but he is so good at being an omega (at being something to want) that it works on you too. you also want him.
dick i think would probably be very jaded by his omega status here, and likely would think you a safe person to interact with. getting that first whiff of interest coming from you would probably feel like a betrayal initially but then you are so clearly ashamed and apologetic about it in a way that, again, he never really experiences, that he's very comforted by that.
also i think this specific dynamic gives dick the opportunity to be the one pining the other person down and fucking into them, the one taking the lead and whatnot, without the expectation of submission, and he also feels very fulfilled in making you submit to him, in giving you what you need, in putting you in the place he's been so many times and you've never had the chance to be in. i also think this dick is very territorial.
if you're both alphas, i think the pressure of competition between you decreases and so does the resentment. because he's obviously the model of the perfect alpha, so you can't even be mad about it. like that's just How It Is. it'd be like being mad at the sky for being blue. i think the predominant feeling you have is guilt, though, because obviously such a good alpha is omega exclusive. he can't want you, he's not designed to want you, so he won't want you. and you should be good and be like him and not want him either, but you do. you think so much about him bitching you.
dick is probably aware of you wanting him almost immediately and is kind of amused by it? like oh hey i'm baby's first gay crush. you tend to overcorrect and turn your friendship very "bro-y", like trying to seek advice without actually acknowledging that you're an alpha. this (un?)fortunately for you triggers his pervert side and you become a toy between his paws. he's herding you around with his hands on your shoulders and casually manhandling you, and cheerily showing off your bite mark on his bicep where you bit him while "roughhousing" and meanwhile you're wearing a turtleneck because he bit your neck so hard you bled last night while he knotted you for the first time. he's very nice about how humiliating and hot you find it, and keeps the humiliating aspects of it private enough that you feel safe doing all that with him.
i reckon he feels VERY touchy about the omegas around you. you're very afraid that he's going to leave you for some omega who he can be with openly, who will enthrall him the way it should be, and completely ignore the fact that every time you're even remotely polite to an omega and the omega reacts favorably, he stalks across the room and removes you from the situation as fast as possible. he acts a lot like a jealous omega about it, and you're always very reassuring to him for it even if you don't know that's what you're doing. i think you're a very good alpha to him in ways you can't understand and he's determined not to let anybody else really see you in that light, because he himself isn't sure whether you'd leave him for an omega if you thought that was in the cards for you.
if you are a beta, then you're the child out in a snowy street pressing their hand on the window to a warm living room with a party going on and dick is the child looking back to you from deep inside and making his way out to you to play together until he can convince the adults to bring you inside
I don't have the opportunity to delve into the desirer vs object of desire divide across gender in birdwatcher even though it's one of the aspects that fascinate me the most about dick's character bc im keeping birdwatcher mc deliberately gender neutral and do believe a good chunk of their dynamic remains untouched despite the lack of specificity BUT i was thinking about the omegaverse the other day and how well the mechanics of ruts and heats and their inevitability and urgency push the boundaries of the way dick and bwmc deal with want/being wanted, like really stretching the premise of what they think is allowed for themselves in regards to desire and being desire, while also yk giving me an avenue to explore some gender configuration without sacrificing the relatively blank slate of bwmc. except i thought about it and i could not for the life of me decide what secondary gender bwmc would be so. im taking it to the masses and making a poll. i'll reblog in a min with a few thoughts
in a birdwatcher omegaverse au, you and dick are...
an incredibly repressed alpha (you) vs a flourishing omega (dick)
a failed omega (you) vs a prized alpha (dick)
both omegas (he is what you should be and you still want him)
both alphas (he is what you should be and you shouldn't want him)
bwmc is always a beta forever locked out of the mating dance
some of the best tropes: divorce, cheating, cucking, weird love triangle, breaking up making up, breaking up never making up, pining for your ex, pining for the person you're nominally in a competition with for the third end of the triangle, infidelity, emotional infidelity, fucking someone and imagining they're someone else, toxic soulmates, toxic codependency, proxy sex, exes with benefits, cheating, divorce
actually i lied. tim drake is a man you never date but who you'd be incredible fuck buddies with. it just literally never happens but if it did, you'd have a great time
