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I was looking through some old screenshots and re-discovered this tweet and I’ve been thinking about it for the past week and I need to get it off of my chest — is this tweet some sort of insanely cruel foreshadowing on Ben’s part of was it simply a one-off joke never to be mentioned ever again??
His tweet reminded me of a poem called ‘The Send Off’, written by Wilfred Owen, about a group of new soldiers departing for the trenches:
Fun fact: Wilfred Owen was a WW1 war poet and soldier who was also widely believed to be gay. interestingly enough, Owen was a lieutenant in the British Army. His lover, fellow poet and soldier Siegfred Sassoon, was a captain at the time of his death.
Not so fun fact: Owen was killed in action exactly 7 days before the end of the First World War. Years later Sassoon wrote that: "W's death was an unhealed wound, & the ache of it has been with me ever since. I wanted him back – not his poems."
Another not so fun fact: Most of the letters Owen wrote to Sassoon from the front were destroyed and/or burned by Sassoon's mother, apparently at his request.
the coincidences are coincidencing ?? but also like im a nerd and studied owens work in year 10 english and i love to ramble
GHOSTS (US) | S2E9 - The Christmas Spirit: Bet you didn’t see this coming…
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This costume is actually more accurate than Kitty’s 1770s outfit. Dare I say, CBS Ghosts is improving in accuracy.
Nigel and Isaac | The Christmas Spirit Part 1 & 2 ↳requested by anonymous
Loved the double Christmas episode of CBS Ghosts! Was really funny, I think the further away it gets from the BBC version the better it gets. When they go for slapstick it’s especially great. They let them be more joyous and direct!
Although, I do wonder if they’ve given us a captains BBC Ghosts death clue. Isaac died of dysentery so no death markings, and the Christmas episode revealed his uniform was put on in his deathbed. Perhaps the captain died of an illness (Tuberculosis was a big killer at that time, hence maybe the running being slow?). The captains uniform was then put on just like Isaac’s on his deathbed.
Thoughts?
Looks like we’re getting a ghost Cinderella play at a builders conference(?) at Button House.
A Kitty/Thomas kiss? The parallels are strong between Kitty and her step sister not letting her go to the ball in season 3. Also, it would make sense that Thomas would realise his love for her, just like Cinderella. The shoe thing is interesting too, surely the ghosts would have realised they can swap clothes.
The secondary storyline looks like it’ll be Pat and his son Daley becoming a scout leader
However… now getting worried about Kitty being sucked off in this episode. Kiell’s tweet and the Christmas Day slot don’t bode well. Lolly also has a lot of big films coming out. If she leaves also it still gives Thomas a forlorn poet in love plot device…
After listening to the podcast with Jim and Ben I wonder what classic Christmas tale it’ll be! It’s not a Christmas Carol, what else could it be?
- They’ve already sort of done the night before Christmas
- It could be a ghost story, like MR James?
Any other ideas?
Also, more shade against the American Ghosts. They felt like the captain character Isaac is kind of being made fun of unlike the captain. Plus they mentioned how in America the characters must be likeable - unlike someone like Julian.
Re your post about the remake and possible crossovers: what did you mean with Ben being publicly unsatisfied with the adaption? What did he say??
This is very shady. “American Midwest” aka not the East coast or West coast which Brits see as the more European/sophisticated North America. There was also an article where Ben said something about the six idiots being a troupe who can improvise comedy because they all know each other well… in the same breath as talking about CBS Ghosts.
The Mat Baynton ep of CBS ghosts was great! Lots of meta jokes. I liked how he basically played Thomas as an actor (self obsessed, thinks he’s better than he actually is, sees himself as an artiste/talent). Had some great one liners too.
The writer of the CBS version also said they wanted more crossovers. I don’t think Ben would do it as he’s been publicly unsatisfied with the adaptation. I think Jim is most likely (already has done American TV), followed by Martha (she’s a serious RADA actress) then Larry (the only not “actor” out of the group, can see him only doing passion projects and stuff he has control over. I think with Simon it’s hard to tell, he’s more of a writer than an actor, he tends to only do cameos in stuff he has written himself. Probably far down on the list like Ben.
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Anyone else always think about how the six idiots created two different trans characters in two different projects in the early 2010s even tho they didn’t need to but they did it anyway or are you normal?
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She did so well, I was cheering her on. One of us!
Been enjoying the new season of CBS Ghosts. I’ve written about it before but it’s so indicative of the differences between North American and British culture. The writer of Derry girls said that if the show had been set in America everyone would be popular, pretty and successful. I get this a bit with CBS Ghosts too.
Rather than Jay and Samantha actually being incompetent like Alison and Mike, it is circumstances beyond their control that scupper them, not personal failings. They also try to be good and moral, Alison and Mike are sometimes devious and immoral. Also the dynamic of Samantha and Jay is more traditional, it is Jay who ultimately is the head of the house (having to defend her honour, being the more practical one, having the final say on the house matters, having Samantha always ask Jay almost for permission) rather than Alison wearing the trousers so to speak.
The CBS ghosts are immoral, but only accidentally through naivety. There’s a “it was a different time and they have to modernise” angle, rather than the BBC ghosts fully knowing they’re wrong but not caring. The sorry episode shows this, they know full well it’s not acceptable, but it’s about what they can get away with. Whereas, the CBS ghosts are constantly seeing the error of their ways and changing. They have definitely toned down the allusions to murder and crime this season, as if to say “they are atoning for their amoral past”.
There isn’t a real sense of disappointment or angst from the CBS ghosts, it is all working out better and better for them. A lot of the storylines centre around the theme of being dead and this being unable to achieve the success or impact they had in life with relationships and achievements. This is the classic “British comedy is about the losers, American comedy is about the winners” troupe. The BBC ghosts have the opposite problem, they were outsiders in real life so what they struggle with as ghosts is actually having to get along with others.
Also, as a note. Is it not a bit uncomfortable that Isaac’s relationship wasn’t about lovers against the world like the straight relationships in the show? It almost reduced Nigel to the level of friend, like Isaac was choosing between two friends not his love. I dunno, I just can’t imagine a straight couple in the show having to compromise in the same way.
Class! There is a weird absence of the acknowledgment of social class in CBS Ghosts. The older ghosts especially are completely devoid of the physical indicators. They all act quite modern, not just in terms of speech (the words, the volume, the cadence), but also mannerisms. They all rush about and use their hands a lot, and speak to one another sitting down. Alberta, Hetty and Isaac especially, they aren’t refined enough. Even in a movie from the 1940s/50s people just moved and spoke in a much more restrained way. I know BBC Ghosts goes for historical accuracy 110%, but it takes me out of it so much watching CBS Ghosts, they seem much more like a fancy dress party gone wrong sometimes.
EDIT: How could I forget the most perfect example, the plague ghosts! In BBC ghosts it is the gruesome disease that is scary, and the joke is it’s the same actors. Whereas in CBS Ghosts the joke is that they are ugly. That’s it, ugly people=scary and immoral. Lesser. It’s like CBS didn’t want to have their glamorous actors be “made ugly” because ugliness is associated with badness. Also, the entire joke that the CBS plague ghosts are ugly people and therefore amoral will not age well.
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Agree with all of this except the Isaac thing - what was your point, I didn't really understand?
Isaac was made to choose between his friendship with Thor and his love Nigel. It all worked out in the end, but can you imagine Samantha being put in that position, say for example between her husband and the ghosts. She would choose Jay and loose all of the ghosts because they fit the “lovers against the world” troupe. In CBS Ghosts, Isaac is morally wrong for preferring his lover over his friends. There is also hints at Nigel’s promiscuity, a queer troupe, that are used to make you feel less sorry for him when Isaac ultimately picks his friends.
I’ll have you know I have extensive experience of public inquiries. Nice to be the one asking the questions, for a change.
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