Denial Permanente

Middle aged, married, and monogamous Goddess to my strong, masculine husband. Since April 2018 I have kept him permanently locked in a tight stainless steel cage, 24/7/365. He writes the captions, and I keep him inspired. FAQ: https://denial-permanente.tumblr.com/post/669949473478295552/questions-and-answers "Come for the hot captions, stay for the education."

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Questions and Answers

This post has links to some of the more commonly asked questions about how we got started, how things developed for us, and what our life is like.

How does Tom handle being locked up for so long?

Who's idea was it?

How does your husband keep you satisfied?

Does he really keep you satisfied that way?

How did you become comfortable with this?

How do you deal with illnesses?

Does Tom still initiate even though he is permanently locked?

Do you feel bad when you get to come so much and he does not?

Does Tom feel like he has sacrificed anything by being locked?

Do you feel that your husband has been emasculated by this?

Should I get a larger dildo for me wife to try?

Are you worried that denial will be bad for him?

Does your husband worry about health risks?

Doesn't he lose motivation?

Do you ever unlock him?

How can I get my wife to do this?

What was his reaction when you told him it was going to be permanent?

Don't you miss how he feels?

Do you play with others?

How long did it take you to get to permanent?

What is your favorite aspect of this?

Does your husband ever regret what he gave up?

What about shrinking?

What cage does he wear?

Do you have any tips for getting started?

Do either of you feel like you have sacrificed something to make this work?

Can I send you a picture of my cage?

Are you sure you don't want to see my cage?

How do you feel intimate with just a faux cock?

When did you realize that this is what you really wanted?

What would you do if your husband really wanted to be unlocked?

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@tom--allen It's still hot, isn't it? ❤️🔒

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Hello Mrs Edge! My husband showed me your blog last year and I have read so much about your and your husband that I feel like I know you! Like you we are an older couple and didn't get into this kinky stuff until much later. In our case we really did have a good sex life with each other until "the change" came. I know it affects women differently but in my case it was horrible! It felt like several years of mood swings and hot flashes and then an almost total loss of my libido. My husband was as supportive as he could be but my lack of desire finally got to him and he started watching a lot of porn. I was upset even though I didn't really blame him. And that's how we got here.

He showed me some of the dominatrix porn he liked and told me that sometimes he imagined that instead of my not having any libido that I was intentionally denying him sex. It took me a while to wrap my head around this but that led to him buying a few different chastity cages to try them out. We had some good luck with him being able to wear one of them and I took the keys. Even though I still wasn't really in the mood for sex I played along holding his keys and making him "earn" an unlocking. At first I just gave him the keys and let him go do his thing. When he was done, he cleaned up, then locked himself and handed me the keys.

After a while he asked if I would "take care of him" for a change. I was beginning to feel a little more comfortable with the idea so I did. He was so happy and so grateful! After a few more times I began to make it a weekly ritual. I still was not in the mood for any sex but I did enjoy giving my husband pleasure and it helped smooth over some of the rough patches we had. I began to look forward to our unlocked time together and I actually found myself getting mad at him if he failed to earn his weekly unlocking. I felt like he was failing me!

After a couple of years of this at some point I started feeling like I might be ready to have him pleasure me for a change. I told him that he could only be unlocked if he would go down on me and make me come. You could have knocked him over with a feather, but he jumped at the chance and actually made me come twice! That began my journey back to enjoying sex again, even though it looks different than it used to.

I still keep him locked and make him "earn" his weekly release, and once in a while I like to tease him by saying that it wasn't good enough and that he will have to try again next week. We still don't have PIV, and probably never will because things just don't feel right down there. But we learned to use chastity and orgasm denial to make the most of what we have. I'm happy to have found your blog to see how you and other women have dealt with similar circumstances. Thanks for being a good influence!

Thank you so much for sharing your story. I have been enjoying hearing from other women who have come around to denial and locking their men and who are using it to enhance their mareiages. It has been a surprise to me how many women have discovered this after they're older and especially after menopause.

I hope that your husband appreciates how you took to this and that this is your way of trying to allow him his fantasy while still working at maintaining your connection.

My husband tells me that a lot of men have a hard time coping with the... the lack of penetration or PIV sex. They haven't gone through the hot flashes, hormonal changes, mood swings and all that so they don't get why we just don't feel like spending all afternoon in bed now that the children are out of the house.

I like the way that you handled this by turning the unlocking into a weekly thing, but that you also maintained control by making him accountable so that his releases were never guaranteed.

Finally, I'm so happy to hear that your libido is coming back. A good sex life doesn't need to look the same for everybody, and if you and your husband are happy and connected then that's all that matters. Blessings for the both of you.

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"A good sex life doesn't need to look the same for everybody, and if you and your husband are happy and connected then that's all that matters."

That's a really good way to put it. Our sex life doesn't look like what it did when we were dating or first married, but when we do have sex now, it is so much more intense and fulfilling. 🔒 💖

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Consent and Sensibility

Having solved the problems of world hunger, universal medical care, and corrupt politicians, it’s good to know that some people still have enough energy to tackle the really important issues of whether or not “enforced” chastity is an actuality, whether or not one needs a device, and what devices are serious enough for consideration. It’s kind of like the kudzu of the kinky internet; as soon as you think it’s gone, it pops up somewhere else.

So, let’s review a few things. As I’ve said a bazillion times, chastity devices are sex toys, plain and simple. Just like handcuffs, rope, or other restraints, they are equipment to enhance sexual, or more accurately, erotic enjoyment. This is not a paradox; except for extremely rare circumstances, people buy chastity devices in order to engage in erotic control scenes. Yes, the scenes may play out over long periods — weeks or months — but the essence of the play is erotic control of one’s sexuality.

Yeah, yeah, I know that some of you are ready to get on a soapbox about how it has changed your relationship, given you focus, made you a better partner, blah, blah, blah. Well, I call “bullshit” on that entire concept; what you’re descibing is not the magical effect of the device anymore than Dumbo’s crow feather gave him magical flying powers (sorry, when you have kids, these kinds of analogies come to mind). Rather, I suspect that you, yourself have become more focused, a better parter, etc., because you’re enjoying the attention and you’re reciprocating in a way that fits the paradigm you’ve set for yourself (actually, since we don’t live in a social vacuum, that other people around the internet have set for you). You want to call the device a symbol of your new life? Hey, great — that’s exactly what those freaking wedding bands do. How well was that working for you?

So, does that mean that chastity devices are toys? Well, that’s a bit more complicated, so to avoid certain emotional connotations, I’m going to call them “equipment”. This makes more sense because that’s how we usually refer to other kink-oriented items; the word “toy”, while having a connotation as being something used for fun, also conveys an image of something that’s not intended for serious usage (fsv of “serious”). Hence, the snobbery of those people who sneer at anything made of plastic, who are in turn frowned on by those espousing the use of anything less than a full stainless steel Tollyboy (or whatever) belt, who are then dismissed as amateurs by those who have spent months of their salary (and months of fitting time) to own custom Latowski metal underwear.

And of course, all of the above people are dissed by the domlier/subbier than thou types who claim that nobody should even need a device, they should simply develop the willpower to do as they are told.

A pox on all of ye, I say.

Those of us who enjoy using chastity devices do so because it takes willpower out of the equation entirely. Does Mrs. Edge tie a ribbon around my cock to remind me that it’s her property? No. “Oh, screw that,” she says. “I want to make sure you don’t even have the temptation, let alone the opportunity.” I believe that this sums up the concept rather well; for us, the kink is about her control, not mine. I believe that most other people into using chastity devices have a similar mindset.

Having eradicated the kudzu set to rest the idea that it’s perfectly okay to use devices, let’s move on to the idea that chastity can be “enforced”.

It can’t.

That is, it can’t in the sense that between consenting adults, nothing can be enforced without some willing participation. There are two aspects to this, the emotional/relationship aspect, and the pratical/physical aspect. Let’s tackle the latter because it’s easier.

Okay, I want everybody to sit down and take a deep breath. Most of you have heard this, but not all of you were listening, so it may come as a shock.

There is no such thing as an inescapable chastity device.

I want you to trust Doctor Tom on this one. I have been working with tools since I was a child. I own an entire machine shop. There is no metal that can not be cut, nor any lock that can not be defeated by the proper application of time, effort, and money. Stainless steel? Feh, I cut that in my garage. Titanium? Don’t make me laugh. Carbonite? Get real, that’s only in Star Wars.

Lock shackles can be cut with bolt cutters. Locks with hidden shackles can be drilled out. And there are very few designs that can not be defeated with a Dremel and a couple of grinding discs. Full belts with metal chains? You can cut the chains and wriggle the belt off. Without chains? They have thin sheet metal cutters that you can slide in along your waistband. High-end “trapped ball” devices like the Gerecke or Steelwerkz? A little tougher because you’ve got to work close to sensitive skin, but still doable with a steady hand and the proper tools. Lori’s and other devices that utilize a PA piercing? The area holding the lock itself is thin, and easily accessible with a small jeweler’s saw. And obviously, plastic devices can be cut or broken.

Now, this is the heart of the argument: If any device can be cut apart, then they’re worthless, right?

No. This is where the emotional/relationship aspect comes into play.

Having established that you can’t be locked up without your consent, let’s examine what that consent entails. In any relationship, and especially in a D/s relationship, we take on roles that match up to some script that we have running in our minds. When there is a large disparity between the script and our real life, we become depressed or restless — a symptom of our unhappiness. For an example, pick any one of the dozens of FLR blogs in which the men have been trying for months or years to convince their wives to “take charge” in some way. Those men who resort to “stealth submission” are, in some respects, trying to fit that script to their real life scenarios, and not feeling especially successful.

For the men who somehow manage to talk to their partners about chastity and orgasm denial, a lot of them write about their frustration when their wives or partners lock them up for a few days, then leave the keys in plain sight, or forget to lock them back up again, or pretty much ignore the entire situation. Message boards are filled with “How do I get my wife to…” questions. Consent isn’t a problem in these cases, except on the other side; i.e., men who want their partners to consent to some erotic sexual control.

But for those who actually have partners that want to play along, there is usually have a period in which the man gets accustomed to wearing the device for several hours or days at a time, and once broken in, the play starts. Sometimes they use a point system, sometimes it’s random numbers (dice games, darts, lotto picks), or sometimes it’s a pre-determined number of days. Some guys underestimate their ability to hold out, and begin begging for some kind of release. When they do this, are they doing so because they aren’t able to break the cage and have an orgasm? Of course not. This is simply part of the play itself. Chastity enthusiasts want to feel the loss of control, even if it’s illusory, because this meshes with the script in their heads. That’s why “enforced” chastity is really a scene. It’s extended, and it’s not situationally dependent (e.g., it doesn’t have to be played in a dungeon, or only on a weekend), but it’s still a scene, and a scene requires some kind of consent.

In these scenes, the devices have several purposes. Ostensibly, they are to prevent the men from taking control of their penis, presumably through masturbation. In some cases, partners have discovered that the device helps to ease their own feelings of guilt when they don’t feel like having sex; some women say that they would like a massage or some physical attention, and often feel like their partners keep trying to turn those circumstances into an opportunity for sex; the devices can remove the sense of responsibility (“I’m sorry, honey, but the two weeks aren’t up yet.”). Again, an extremely frustrated man can head down to his basement and cut the cage off to masturbate. But they don’t. It’s not because the cage is unbreakable, it’s because so far real life isn’t running too far off course from that internal script.

Yes, some men say that it’s because of their devotion, but that sense of devotion itself comes from that internal script. In some paradigms, they are bold, but subservient knights, willing to put up with personal trials to win the hand our their princess. In others, they are happy to see the script begin to modify itself (“Be careful what you wish for, you might get it” seems to be their motto). There are other paradigms, but the important point is that they all work as long as real life somewhat matches up to their script.

For some — I suspect most — men, part of that script does entail an inescapable device. This is why some people spend so much time convincing themselves that this or that modification will make their device foolproof. I can personally attest to having spent hours working out ways to improve my CB3000 resistance to pulling out. Some men will take it a step farther and get a piercing (as did I, although it didn’t work out well). The idea is as I wrote above: we want the temptation completely removed, we want to feel a loss of control, even if we temporarily desire otherwise at times.

So, if you have to consent to wearing a device, and if a device can be broken or cut off, how does that give you a situation that removes all control?

It doesn’t, of course. This is where our internal script has to depend upon the willing suspension of disbelief, just as any other Hollywood movie or Barbara Cartland novel does.

If your script considers your personal sense of responsibility to weigh as heavily as the need for a secure device, then your WSD allows you to wear, say, a CB3000, even though you know you could pull out and masturbate in the shower if the pressure gets to be too much to handle. On the other hand, if your script (or your partner’s) calls more heavily for a true loss of control, and you’re unwilling to pretend, then you start looking for something more secure. Perhaps you add a KSD to your device. Or perhaps you get a piercing. Or perhaps you do as so many chastity enthusiasts do — go from device to device, always looking for something that’s just a little bit better than the last.

This is why some smarmy people talk about deviceless chastity; in their internal script, they focus on giving control over to their partners through developing their own self-control, and willingness to forgo temptation. In their scripts, overcoming such trials adds to their sense of self-worth. Similarly, those people who are more serious about their desire for actual loss of control will seek more “serious” devices because it adds to the believability of the script. This is why fantasies of unbreakable, uncuttable carbon-diamond unobtainium devices are so common — a lot of people enjoy the idea of loss of control. This isn’t so surprising when you consider that in other types of scenes, whippings, piercings, cuttings, and other types of sensation play are often accompanied by some kind of restraint. By the way, this points up the reason that the deviceless crowd is so annoying — they dont’ seem to understand that there is a huge disparity in the internal scripts that we like to play out.

I should point out that in addition to using chastity devices, some people choose to enhance their sense of loss of control by using some kind of a contract. True, it’s not legally enforceable, but that’s beside the point. The contracts usually have clauses and stipulations as to such things as the frequency of orgasm (thereby giving some feeling of safety for men who might not be sure how well they will deal with the denial), and consequences for contrived infractions such as begging for an early release, or “unauthorized” orgasms (via an unsecured device, or for those occasions when their partner fails to lock them back in). Again, the contracts are just a way to add some realism to the script, by reinforcing the idea of relinquishing control.

So, the paradoxical question arises: Can we consent to a loss of control within a relationship?

On one level, I don’t see how that’s possible. One’s willingness to relinquish control is only as strong as one’s desire to continue following (or lightly editing) their internal script. As Sarah points out, if her husband decided that he wanted out, he could either physically overpower her for the key, or head into the garage to cut the device off. However, the consequences for this would probably mean that Sarah would be angry or disappointed, and might not be willing to engage in such play again. If he decided that he could live with those consequences, then there is really nothing stopping him from ending the game unilaterally.

So, regard for the consequences is one of the (and probably the biggest) reasons that chastity can be “enforced.” This is actually a point that reinforces the believability factor with the stainless steel devices and the full belts; the consequences for cutting or breaking one of those affects not only one’s relationship, but also becomes very expensive as the wearer thinks about breaking a device that cost hundreds or possibly a couple of thousand dollars.

So, any degree of enforcement comes down to a regard for the consequences of breaking the agreement (contract, tacit, or otherwise). Now, can we all get back to enjoying our kink, and stop arguing about it?

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@tom--allen I like my fantasy better. ❤️🔒

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@tom--allen So true, isn't it? ❤️🔒