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manateeinmoline

This. Ask yourself “what did the Doctor do for River to prove his love?”

Nothing. He left her to the weeping angels.

But Rose. He BURNED UP A SUN JUST TO SAY GOODBYE. Did he have to do that? Absolutely not. She was in the parallel universe; he could have just moved on. But he couldn’t. He HAD to see her, even if one last time.

(And let’s not forget that he literally gave her a piece of himself too)

And had Rose asked him to get her; had she admitted SHE was the pregnant one, he would have stopped at nothing to get her back.

Don’t come at me with the River shit. She isn’t the Doctor’s OTP. Rose is. Actions speak louder than words. And burning up a sun is screaming. ☀️

The Doctor never loved anyone as much as Clara. He trapped himself in a loop for four and a half BILLION years just for the most remote chance of being able to save her life. This is by far the biggest gesture he has ever done for a companion he loved, if we’re going by that logic.

Truly, Clara is the Doctor’s OTP, the only one who has ever matched him. No other relationship ever comes close to that

Yes, Clara mattered deeply to the Doctor. FAR more than River. But Rose never died and he was still willing to destroy an entire potential solar system just to say goodbye to her. Breaking time for her would have risked her life and she was already alive with her parents alive. Rose Tyler’s dad died and the Doctor was willing to die to try to keep him alive. I can see someone who doesn’t like Rose feeling that in TV canon they’re the correct ones choosing Clara but then there’s EU where the Doctor sculpts Rose from memory and admits to himself in private how much he loves Rose. Where he is also willing to break time for her if she were to actually die. Etc. etc. The confession dial is a great act of care but far from something that can prove anything against a companion that was lost while alive.

he was in orbit around a supernova. it was a star that was already dead

because… he didn’t need to? no other companion was trapped in a parallel universe that required him to use a supernova to communicate with them 😭😭

of course he didn’t have to but he did it because rose meant a lot to him. i am not denying that. the doctor loved rose!

what i don’t get is the implication he wouldn’t have done it for anyone else

he didn’t do it to amy and rory because for whatever reason moffat decided to write it so that the doctor could never talk to them again without destroying the entire universe for reasons that don’t entirely make sense, but whatever

moffat seemed to buy into the idea that it was impossible to change your own history more than RTD, but this all seems to be down to different writer philosophies. like river song’s death was a fixed event in the doctor’s history that he couldn’t reverse. maybe RTD would have written a way out of it, but moffat chose not to

but he did have the future doctor devise a way to save river’s life via the data ghost. he didn’t need to do that either, but clearly she meant enough to the future doctor that he could not bear to have her no longer exist, even only in digital form

of course the doctor loved rose. it’s canon! but thasmin, 11river and 12river and even 12clara are all canon too. and i think it’s silly to try and objectively rate which relationship meant the most when i’m sure the writers themselves wouldn’t agree on things

manateeinmoline

This. Ask yourself “what did the Doctor do for River to prove his love?”

Nothing. He left her to the weeping angels.

But Rose. He BURNED UP A SUN JUST TO SAY GOODBYE. Did he have to do that? Absolutely not. She was in the parallel universe; he could have just moved on. But he couldn’t. He HAD to see her, even if one last time.

(And let’s not forget that he literally gave her a piece of himself too)

And had Rose asked him to get her; had she admitted SHE was the pregnant one, he would have stopped at nothing to get her back.

Don’t come at me with the River shit. She isn’t the Doctor’s OTP. Rose is. Actions speak louder than words. And burning up a sun is screaming. ☀️

The Doctor never loved anyone as much as Clara. He trapped himself in a loop for four and a half BILLION years just for the most remote chance of being able to save her life. This is by far the biggest gesture he has ever done for a companion he loved, if we’re going by that logic.

Truly, Clara is the Doctor’s OTP, the only one who has ever matched him. No other relationship ever comes close to that

Yes, Clara mattered deeply to the Doctor. FAR more than River. But Rose never died and he was still willing to destroy an entire potential solar system just to say goodbye to her. Breaking time for her would have risked her life and she was already alive with her parents alive. Rose Tyler’s dad died and the Doctor was willing to die to try to keep him alive. I can see someone who doesn’t like Rose feeling that in TV canon they’re the correct ones choosing Clara but then there’s EU where the Doctor sculpts Rose from memory and admits to himself in private how much he loves Rose. Where he is also willing to break time for her if she were to actually die. Etc. etc. The confession dial is a great act of care but far from something that can prove anything against a companion that was lost while alive.

he was in orbit around a supernova. it was a star that was already dead

because… he didn’t need to? no other companion was trapped in a parallel universe that required him to use a supernova to communicate with them 😭😭

manateeinmoline

This. Ask yourself “what did the Doctor do for River to prove his love?”

Nothing. He left her to the weeping angels.

But Rose. He BURNED UP A SUN JUST TO SAY GOODBYE. Did he have to do that? Absolutely not. She was in the parallel universe; he could have just moved on. But he couldn’t. He HAD to see her, even if one last time.

(And let’s not forget that he literally gave her a piece of himself too)

And had Rose asked him to get her; had she admitted SHE was the pregnant one, he would have stopped at nothing to get her back.

Don’t come at me with the River shit. She isn’t the Doctor’s OTP. Rose is. Actions speak louder than words. And burning up a sun is screaming. ☀️

The Doctor never loved anyone as much as Clara. He trapped himself in a loop for four and a half BILLION years just for the most remote chance of being able to save her life. This is by far the biggest gesture he has ever done for a companion he loved, if we’re going by that logic.

Truly, Clara is the Doctor’s OTP, the only one who has ever matched him. No other relationship ever comes close to that

Yes, Clara mattered deeply to the Doctor. FAR more than River. But Rose never died and he was still willing to destroy an entire potential solar system just to say goodbye to her. Breaking time for her would have risked her life and she was already alive with her parents alive. Rose Tyler’s dad died and the Doctor was willing to die to try to keep him alive. I can see someone who doesn’t like Rose feeling that in TV canon they’re the correct ones choosing Clara but then there’s EU where the Doctor sculpts Rose from memory and admits to himself in private how much he loves Rose. Where he is also willing to break time for her if she were to actually die. Etc. etc. The confession dial is a great act of care but far from something that can prove anything against a companion that was lost while alive.

he was in orbit around a supernova. it was a star that was already dead

sublimewizardbread

Just a reminder that the Doctor never actually married River Song and that the only Doctor who is properly married is the Metacrisis Doctor since he is married to Rose Tyler.

Oh and also the Doctor never actually told River his name, so it’s kinda creepy that she knows his name.

All very true. The teselecta married River after the Doctor said clearly he didn't want to marry her, but felt he had to once there was no other choice that would get River to listen to him.

Gonna add Fifteen denying the marriage to this post. And also just a friendly reminder that it was confirmed River didn't hear the Doctor's name from the “wedding”. How she knows?Anybody's guess. The stalker theory is very much on the table.

15 didn't deny anything? river song died from his perspective. there's plenty of cases where the doctor has confirmed they are married to river, specifically the husbands of river song, legend of the sea devils etc

move on lmao it isn't 2012 anymore

sublimewizardbread

I will say it again and again if I have to. The „wedding“ we see on screen is not a valid Timelord wedding since the Doctor doesn’t tell her his name.

We don’t have confirmation how River got his name. But it wasn’t at their „wedding“.

Also, I have joined the fandom more recently and have not been here since 2012, so to me it’s all fresh. If you have a problem with that, guess what? Scroll. But don’t come under my post or my friends reposts and act as if we are wrong, when we KNOW that we are right.

There ain’t a single argument you could throw my way that would change my mind, and make me admit that I am „wrong“ when I know for a fact that I’m not.

“it wasn’t a valid time lord wedding” LMFAO WHO CARES? why does it have to be a time lord ceremony to be legit? i know people who have had unofficial wedding ceremonies in their countries where gay marriage is still illegal. those wedding ceremonies weren’t valid - but don’t you dare imply they are not legitimate

the doctor clearly views it as binding based on his actions in the husbands of river song; 13’s statements about her wife in legend of the sea devils etc

you’re allowed to not like it! i am not a particularly big fan of it. i much prefer ships like 4romana, 12clara and thasmin. but this shit about trying to prove your headcanons to be the objective truth is totally immature and silly behaviour

sure, “death of the author” and all, but it’s literally confirmed by all of the people who worked on the show at the time that they were portraying

there is no canonical OTP in the show. you are allowed to believe what you want, but acting like you ‘know’ something everyone else doesn’t is arrogant and utterly bizarre

sublimewizardbread

WOW. Comparing a fictional wedding with gay marriage that is sadly still illegal in some countries is wild to me.

If you take the time as an author or screenwriter or whatever to tell the audience how a proper timelord wedding goes, and then show us one that does not follow those rules then that has a reason.

Also, it’s not a headcanon that Rose meant more to the Doctor than River ever did.

Do you think he would have let Rose have to EVER break her own wrist to get out of a weeping angels grip?

Do you think he would have ever just accepted that Rose would die because he saw her death happening, since they meet in the incorrect order?

If you actually think he would have ever treated Rose like he treated River then you need a crash course in media literacy.

And if you think that anything in the Doctor’s and Rivers relationship portrays love then….I don’t know, get a dictionary and look for the word love and it’s definition.

you remind me of 8 year old children arguing over whether spiderman could beat superman in a fight

you’re literally powerscaling fictional relationships lmfaooooo

sublimewizardbread

And here we have a perfect example of someone being mad about losing an argument and then pulling the „it’s an immature thing to argue about anyway“ card.

losing an argument? how do you lose something that’s entirely subjective. it’s like saying someone is losing an argument over whether mac and cheese is tasty or not 😭

The person who claims it’s undeniable and not subjective at all that the Doctor was madly in love with River Song now says it’s subjective. Fascinating.

arguing about who loved who most based on how different writers decide to write love stories *is* entirely subjective. it’s crazy. bigger actions do not always equal more love. that’s an incredibly naïve view of romance

sublimewizardbread

Just a reminder that the Doctor never actually married River Song and that the only Doctor who is properly married is the Metacrisis Doctor since he is married to Rose Tyler.

Oh and also the Doctor never actually told River his name, so it’s kinda creepy that she knows his name.

All very true. The teselecta married River after the Doctor said clearly he didn't want to marry her, but felt he had to once there was no other choice that would get River to listen to him.

Gonna add Fifteen denying the marriage to this post. And also just a friendly reminder that it was confirmed River didn't hear the Doctor's name from the “wedding”. How she knows?Anybody's guess. The stalker theory is very much on the table.

15 didn't deny anything? river song died from his perspective. there's plenty of cases where the doctor has confirmed they are married to river, specifically the husbands of river song, legend of the sea devils etc

move on lmao it isn't 2012 anymore

sublimewizardbread

I will say it again and again if I have to. The „wedding“ we see on screen is not a valid Timelord wedding since the Doctor doesn’t tell her his name.

We don’t have confirmation how River got his name. But it wasn’t at their „wedding“.

Also, I have joined the fandom more recently and have not been here since 2012, so to me it’s all fresh. If you have a problem with that, guess what? Scroll. But don’t come under my post or my friends reposts and act as if we are wrong, when we KNOW that we are right.

There ain’t a single argument you could throw my way that would change my mind, and make me admit that I am „wrong“ when I know for a fact that I’m not.

“it wasn’t a valid time lord wedding” LMFAO WHO CARES? why does it have to be a time lord ceremony to be legit? i know people who have had unofficial wedding ceremonies in their countries where gay marriage is still illegal. those wedding ceremonies weren’t valid - but don’t you dare imply they are not legitimate

the doctor clearly views it as binding based on his actions in the husbands of river song; 13’s statements about her wife in legend of the sea devils etc

you’re allowed to not like it! i am not a particularly big fan of it. i much prefer ships like 4romana, 12clara and thasmin. but this shit about trying to prove your headcanons to be the objective truth is totally immature and silly behaviour

sure, “death of the author” and all, but it’s literally confirmed by all of the people who worked on the show at the time that they were portraying

there is no canonical OTP in the show. you are allowed to believe what you want, but acting like you ‘know’ something everyone else doesn’t is arrogant and utterly bizarre

sublimewizardbread

WOW. Comparing a fictional wedding with gay marriage that is sadly still illegal in some countries is wild to me.

If you take the time as an author or screenwriter or whatever to tell the audience how a proper timelord wedding goes, and then show us one that does not follow those rules then that has a reason.

Also, it’s not a headcanon that Rose meant more to the Doctor than River ever did.

Do you think he would have let Rose have to EVER break her own wrist to get out of a weeping angels grip?

Do you think he would have ever just accepted that Rose would die because he saw her death happening, since they meet in the incorrect order?

If you actually think he would have ever treated Rose like he treated River then you need a crash course in media literacy.

And if you think that anything in the Doctor’s and Rivers relationship portrays love then….I don’t know, get a dictionary and look for the word love and it’s definition.

you remind me of 8 year old children arguing over whether spiderman could beat superman in a fight

you’re literally powerscaling fictional relationships lmfaooooo

sublimewizardbread

And here we have a perfect example of someone being mad about losing an argument and then pulling the „it’s an immature thing to argue about anyway“ card.

losing an argument? how do you lose something that’s entirely subjective. it’s like saying someone is losing an argument over whether mac and cheese is tasty or not 😭

sublimewizardbread

Just a reminder that the Doctor never actually married River Song and that the only Doctor who is properly married is the Metacrisis Doctor since he is married to Rose Tyler.

Oh and also the Doctor never actually told River his name, so it’s kinda creepy that she knows his name.

All very true. The teselecta married River after the Doctor said clearly he didn't want to marry her, but felt he had to once there was no other choice that would get River to listen to him.

Gonna add Fifteen denying the marriage to this post. And also just a friendly reminder that it was confirmed River didn't hear the Doctor's name from the “wedding”. How she knows?Anybody's guess. The stalker theory is very much on the table.

15 didn't deny anything? river song died from his perspective. there's plenty of cases where the doctor has confirmed they are married to river, specifically the husbands of river song, legend of the sea devils etc

move on lmao it isn't 2012 anymore

sublimewizardbread

I will say it again and again if I have to. The „wedding“ we see on screen is not a valid Timelord wedding since the Doctor doesn’t tell her his name.

We don’t have confirmation how River got his name. But it wasn’t at their „wedding“.

Also, I have joined the fandom more recently and have not been here since 2012, so to me it’s all fresh. If you have a problem with that, guess what? Scroll. But don’t come under my post or my friends reposts and act as if we are wrong, when we KNOW that we are right.

There ain’t a single argument you could throw my way that would change my mind, and make me admit that I am „wrong“ when I know for a fact that I’m not.

“it wasn’t a valid time lord wedding” LMFAO WHO CARES? why does it have to be a time lord ceremony to be legit? i know people who have had unofficial wedding ceremonies in their countries where gay marriage is still illegal. those wedding ceremonies weren’t valid - but don’t you dare imply they are not legitimate

the doctor clearly views it as binding based on his actions in the husbands of river song; 13’s statements about her wife in legend of the sea devils etc

you’re allowed to not like it! i am not a particularly big fan of it. i much prefer ships like 4romana, 12clara and thasmin. but this shit about trying to prove your headcanons to be the objective truth is totally immature and silly behaviour

sure, “death of the author” and all, but it’s literally confirmed by all of the people who worked on the show at the time that they were portraying

there is no canonical OTP in the show. you are allowed to believe what you want, but acting like you ‘know’ something everyone else doesn’t is arrogant and utterly bizarre

sublimewizardbread

WOW. Comparing a fictional wedding with gay marriage that is sadly still illegal in some countries is wild to me.

If you take the time as an author or screenwriter or whatever to tell the audience how a proper timelord wedding goes, and then show us one that does not follow those rules then that has a reason.

Also, it’s not a headcanon that Rose meant more to the Doctor than River ever did.

Do you think he would have let Rose have to EVER break her own wrist to get out of a weeping angels grip?

Do you think he would have ever just accepted that Rose would die because he saw her death happening, since they meet in the incorrect order?

If you actually think he would have ever treated Rose like he treated River then you need a crash course in media literacy.

And if you think that anything in the Doctor’s and Rivers relationship portrays love then….I don’t know, get a dictionary and look for the word love and it’s definition.

you remind me of 8 year old children arguing over whether spiderman could beat superman in a fight

you’re literally powerscaling fictional relationships lmfaooooo

sublimewizardbread

Just a reminder that the Doctor never actually married River Song and that the only Doctor who is properly married is the Metacrisis Doctor since he is married to Rose Tyler.

Oh and also the Doctor never actually told River his name, so it’s kinda creepy that she knows his name.

All very true. The teselecta married River after the Doctor said clearly he didn't want to marry her, but felt he had to once there was no other choice that would get River to listen to him.

Gonna add Fifteen denying the marriage to this post. And also just a friendly reminder that it was confirmed River didn't hear the Doctor's name from the “wedding”. How she knows?Anybody's guess. The stalker theory is very much on the table.

15 didn't deny anything? river song died from his perspective. there's plenty of cases where the doctor has confirmed they are married to river, specifically the husbands of river song, legend of the sea devils etc

move on lmao it isn't 2012 anymore

sublimewizardbread

I will say it again and again if I have to. The „wedding“ we see on screen is not a valid Timelord wedding since the Doctor doesn’t tell her his name.

We don’t have confirmation how River got his name. But it wasn’t at their „wedding“.

Also, I have joined the fandom more recently and have not been here since 2012, so to me it’s all fresh. If you have a problem with that, guess what? Scroll. But don’t come under my post or my friends reposts and act as if we are wrong, when we KNOW that we are right.

There ain’t a single argument you could throw my way that would change my mind, and make me admit that I am „wrong“ when I know for a fact that I’m not.

“it wasn’t a valid time lord wedding” LMFAO WHO CARES? why does it have to be a time lord ceremony to be legit? i know people who have had unofficial wedding ceremonies in their countries where gay marriage is still illegal. those wedding ceremonies weren’t valid - but don’t you dare imply they are not legitimate

the doctor clearly views it as binding based on his actions in the husbands of river song; 13’s statements about her wife in legend of the sea devils etc

you’re allowed to not like it! i am not a particularly big fan of it. i much prefer ships like 4romana, 12clara and thasmin. but this shit about trying to prove your headcanons to be the objective truth is totally immature and silly behaviour

sure, “death of the author” and all, but it’s literally confirmed by all of the people who worked on the show at the time that they were portraying

there is no canonical OTP in the show. you are allowed to believe what you want, but acting like you ‘know’ something everyone else doesn’t is arrogant and utterly bizarre

sublimewizardbread

Just a reminder that the Doctor never actually married River Song and that the only Doctor who is properly married is the Metacrisis Doctor since he is married to Rose Tyler.

Oh and also the Doctor never actually told River his name, so it’s kinda creepy that she knows his name.

All very true. The teselecta married River after the Doctor said clearly he didn't want to marry her, but felt he had to once there was no other choice that would get River to listen to him.

Gonna add Fifteen denying the marriage to this post. And also just a friendly reminder that it was confirmed River didn't hear the Doctor's name from the “wedding”. How she knows?Anybody's guess. The stalker theory is very much on the table.

15 didn't deny anything? river song died from his perspective. there's plenty of cases where the doctor has confirmed they are married to river, specifically the husbands of river song, legend of the sea devils etc

move on lmao it isn't 2012 anymore

I’m just gonna respond to everything that is in the comments in the reblogs here.

There is absolutely no possible reason an opinion or perspective would “make sense” in 2012 but not now. Media is timeless. There’s not some sort of magic expiration date on when people aren’t allowed to publicly say negative things about a character.

The Doctor being non monogamous is a headcanon people have. But there’s WAYYY more evidence of them being monogamous within canon than there is them being polyamorous. Look at the giant time gaps between the Doctor’s hard canonical love interests. You’re allowed to headcanon whatever you want and headcanon relationships that aren’t shown in canon but you can’t enforce the polyamorous thing like it’s law.

The hard canon romantic relationships the Doctor has had that have actually lasted more than five seconds are Charley Pollard, Rose Tyler, Clara Oswald, twisted as it is, River Song.? And Yasmin Khan. Now look at the time gaps between those. There was the entire Time War, several other Eight companions, and then 100 years traveling alone between Charley and Rose. There was then AT LEAST 400 years between Rose and Clara. The Doctor may have had River around at the same time as Clara but it took him completely forgetting Clara to show a modicum of affection towards River. They may have been in his life at the same time but the Doctor certainly didn’t fully engage in having feelings for them at the same time. Then it took another long gap and a regeneration for the Doctor to start being int Yaz. So no, polyamorous Doctor is not canonical. valid headcanon if you consider the non confirmed romances as ships you like, sure. Something you can lord over people? Absolutely not.

The show never once confirmed that the Doctor loved River. It confirmed that the Doctor felt a sense of duty to her and that his guilt complex was riled up over her. That he loved Amy Pond and River was her daughter. But that’s it. If you think all that amounts to love then fine. It’s not enough for a lot of us though. As for the Fifteen denying the marriage thing, I just pointed out it happened one time. Yes, out of guilt, the Doctor has felt obligated to acknowledge the marriage he was forced into. Doesn’t make it a real marriage. Or a love marriage as people marry for all kinds of reasons besides love.

did you watch husbands of river song LMAO the episode where the doctor literally confirms how much he loves her, feels a sense of jealousy that she might be married to other people, and then when she states her belief the doctor never really loved her LITERALLY EMPHASISES TO HER HOW MUCH HE DOES

the reason this made sense in 2012 was because everyone was stupid and 14 years old and tumblr was on a weird anti moffat crusade. nowadays we like people who actually pay attention to the show, not make up weird headcanons where they distort the evidence to try and push weird agendas

you’re allowed to headcanon the doctor didn’t love river but that is not a textual reading of the show. you are actively inverting canon

the doctor, while in his romantic arc with rose, had a separate romance with madame de pompadour. he romanced clara while still married to river. he married marilyn monroe and variois other people. there’s plenty of evidence that shows the doctor isn’t monogamous, or at least isn’t always

“15 denies he is married” from his perspective she is long dead and has stopped showing up in his time stream. regardless, there is plenty of other times where they do refer to her as such, such as 13 with yaz. the episode also wasn’t written by moffat, so it doesn’t count towards what was conveyed in his era. a new writer could slip a line in the show in the future where the doctor says “i never loved rose tyler” and it would mean jackshit - a poor attempt to retcon what is obviously textually a thing in the RTD1 era

again, you’re entitled to your own opinion. i’m not even a huge fan of 11river. but it is obviously a thing! you have to operate all kinds of utterly insane headcanon to pretend it isn’t, and trying to warp what is clearly depicted onscreen to try and push an agenda is the sort of thing i’d expect from a teenager not an adult

sublimewizardbread

Just a reminder that the Doctor never actually married River Song and that the only Doctor who is properly married is the Metacrisis Doctor since he is married to Rose Tyler.

Oh and also the Doctor never actually told River his name, so it’s kinda creepy that she knows his name.

All very true. The teselecta married River after the Doctor said clearly he didn't want to marry her, but felt he had to once there was no other choice that would get River to listen to him.

Gonna add Fifteen denying the marriage to this post. And also just a friendly reminder that it was confirmed River didn't hear the Doctor's name from the “wedding”. How she knows?Anybody's guess. The stalker theory is very much on the table.

15 didn't deny anything? river song died from his perspective. there's plenty of cases where the doctor has confirmed they are married to river, specifically the husbands of river song, legend of the sea devils etc

move on lmao it isn't 2012 anymore

manateeinmoline

This. Ask yourself “what did the Doctor do for River to prove his love?”

Nothing. He left her to the weeping angels.

But Rose. He BURNED UP A SUN JUST TO SAY GOODBYE. Did he have to do that? Absolutely not. She was in the parallel universe; he could have just moved on. But he couldn’t. He HAD to see her, even if one last time.

(And let’s not forget that he literally gave her a piece of himself too)

And had Rose asked him to get her; had she admitted SHE was the pregnant one, he would have stopped at nothing to get her back.

Don’t come at me with the River shit. She isn’t the Doctor’s OTP. Rose is. Actions speak louder than words. And burning up a sun is screaming. ☀️

The Doctor never loved anyone as much as Clara. He trapped himself in a loop for four and a half BILLION years just for the most remote chance of being able to save her life. This is by far the biggest gesture he has ever done for a companion he loved, if we’re going by that logic.

Truly, Clara is the Doctor’s OTP, the only one who has ever matched him. No other relationship ever comes close to that

thegalaxyonherlips

To those of you who were annoyed by Ruby's character this week: Just remember, Moffat wrote the episode.

this just in from moffat hater brainrot:

if you are gay you are not allowed to like a man in any way shape or form (even if that man is nonbinary)

selflessness is annoying (even if it's for your friend, even if that friend is the most selfless person in the universe)

it doesn't matter if a character is confirmed by multiple insider articles to be bisexual, if one particular "fan" decides they're not then it's fine to erase it

thegalaxyonherlips

The tag didn't express it properly, so I will try again. I'm sorry that wasn't clear enough.

What annoyed me wasn't that the character is bi, sorry that was never what that tag was about. I'm sorry I didn't express that well enough for you. What annoyed me is this consistent pattern of female characters throwing themselves in the fire line for this man, no matter how much of a friend, when he consistently puts them into dangerous situations. That comment was meant to be a reference to the fact that just because the character is gay doesn't mean that this trope isn't getting boring and one note and annoying. What I'm actually saying here is that it doesn't matter if you've stopped the character from being romantically involved with the doctor, the actual trope of consistently bending over backwards and risking your own life is getting to be too much for me.

Selflessness is not the problem here. Its the fact that every character for a while has had these grandiose moments of selflessness, and their lives revolve around saving this man. I'd prefer to see a character be selfish and choose their own health over the doctors. Also, the doctor is not selfless. A lot of the time, he is selfish and sees himself as the be all end all of the world, "the oncoming storm," so to speak. That is what makes the character nuanced and special and intriguing.

Also, don't pretend that this character, despite being nonbinary, was not written for the past decade with masculinity and masculine toxic traits in mind. (Edit: I wrote a double negative accidentally, and it makes my point less clear for obvious reasons. What I mean to say here is that the doctor has had consistent "male" attributes that have continued across Jodie and into the new season.) Don't pretend that because Jodie was in it for a little bit, that it takes away from that. It's not a bad thing for a character to have the lived experience as a man for the better part of 60 years. You're allowed to comment on that aspect of the show and refer to the character as a he, as the doctor would himself currently. (Edit: The secondary poster raised an interesting point about Ncuti wanting this character to be referred to as they/them - that is my bad and I should not have assumed. However, I do not necessarily get that impression from the show and I do still feel that this is not explored well and there is still too many toxic traits of masculinity shown within the dynamic between him and his companion.)

Please also don't dismiss my opinion by saying "fan" and calling it "brain rot" - that has no purpose other than to insult me for my opinion and make me seem less intelligent for it. Calling names is not how we have conversations - it's how we start arguments.

i mean dw would be a very short show if every companion just decided to abandon the doctor for putting them in dangerous circumstances. like there wouldn’t be a show. the doctor would have died in Rose (2005), assuming we ignore the classic era. not a fun show to watch. this just sounds like an issue with the show itself?

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