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ENG: "I really love Marchosias. Actually, I've been wanting to draw them ever since Woolhaven came out, but I kept putting it off because of work. Now that I've quit my job, and since a Twitter mutual I've admired for a long time also happens to really love Marchosias, I really wanted to draw this for her as a gift.

저는 마르코시아스가 정말 좋아요. 사실 울헤이븐 나왔을 때부터 계속 그리고 싶었는데, 회사 때문에 계속 미루고 있었어요... 그치만 이제는 퇴사한데다 전부터 계속 좋아하던 트친님도 마침 마르코시아스를 정말 좋아하셔서 그 분에게 보답하고자 꼭 그림을 그려드리고 싶었어요ㅎㅎ

#cult of the lamb #cotl #cotl woolhaven #marchosias #cotl marchosias

theunluckyvandalist

hey cult of the lamb do you think its ok to make me cry

after all that happened shamura still loved their brother

rainy-intel

GUYS, LOOK;

The seasons DO NOT CHANGE in COTL. There is NO Spring, Summer, Autumn, or Winter. It DOES NOT get colder or warmer over time. So much has been LOST with the purging of the pantheon and I haven't seen ANYONE talking about it. Think of how many cultures and species were eradicated along with the deaths and/or disappearances of their patron deities! This is prime writing material, come on!!!

#You figured this out before Woolhaven came out #That's really impressive

actaea-p-y

“Narinder only grieves for Shamura”

Yeah, after his volatile reaction to the flowers that grow whether or not Leshy walks among them. After likening the very dead Heket to poison mushrooms, a thing that has no concept of death. After wishing for a reminder of Kallamar’s demise, only to reminisce how a monument to his power was “a thing of beauty.” Are those displays of conventional, acceptable grief, untainted by resentment? Of course not. But there’s not nothing there.

Certainly, his relationship with Shamura is the most complex in terms of how they came to motivate both his own actions against the Bishops and the Bishops’ actions against him. Certainly, they’re the one who was most openly wounded by this violent shift in the family’s dynamic, and that triggers a unique reaction in Narinder.

But let’s not forget that by the time the Lamb has that conversation with him, Narinder’s defenses have likely been whittled down to the point where he is displaying more grief than resentment. Is that a shift that would have happened if he hadn’t meditated on his relationships with the other Bishops?

And while it’s tempting to contextualize this all in the realm of character personalities alone, the Old Faith was a religious institution that shaped much of who Narinder was. It only makes sense that the more time passes in his life outside of the Old Faith, the more contemplative he gets as to what he has lost, what his place in the world is. His reaction to the spider silk is a turning point in his questline, not its culmination.

This is all to say that my hot take is that Narinder has complicated grief for all of the Bishops, because religious / family trauma is a multi-faced beast. To Narinder, the Bishops were all cruel and beautiful and worthy of death, and the post-game is him slowly revealing the vulnerability he experienced living in the Old Faith— and now within the Cult of the Lamb. At the end of the day you are still indoctrinating a deeply troubled and lonely forced convert, with the added leverage that you were the accomplice to his crimes against his siblings. Siblings whose relationships with him were beyond salvation to begin with. It’s messed up, it’s great.

#this is so good

souriki

Postcard merches wip slowly for con Love to see them drowning in Formalin😔

revoltingcakes

Bats my lashes kallamar my shmoopie pie booboo the fool my love

pumpkinluu

Erm hello

mocho3571

Shamura!!🥰

swooning-sofa

@sina-hellow found your blorbo! :D

Oh my Shamura!!!!!

Erm hello

Shamura!!🥰

@sina-hellow found your blorbo! :D

sina-hellow

Oh my Shamura!!!!!

ballad-of-the-lamb

swooning-sofa

@sina-hellow

sina-hellow

Awwwwwww sooooooo good thank you❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

May I tag you in some eye-straining, violent yet brilliant art? It pertains to Leshy's travails in Purgatory. :]

ENG: Please, I beg you! I absolutely love violent and gory art, so I would be incredibly grateful if you tagged me so I can enjoy it!!

헉 제발 부탁드립니다! 저는 고어한 그림을 정말 좋아하기 때문에 태그해주시면 감사히 보겠습니다!!ㅎㅎㅎㅎ

#ask

Now that I know you're also a Hollow Knight fan, what was your reaction upon finding the Little Ghost Easter egg in Woolhaven? I know I was beyond ECSTATIC!

ENG: I am so sorry for replying so late. I've finally quit my job, so I am finally able to answer you!

I was so thrilled too!!! I thought they were just going to implement the Knight's outfit in the game, but I was really happy to see that there was a little event for it as well!!! As fellow Australian indie games, it made me feel so good to see them maintaining such a great relationship. I hope there will be lots of other easter eggs like theirs in the future!!

너무 늦게 답변드려서 미안해요. 이제 드디어ㅜ 퇴사했기 때문에 드디어 답변 드립니다!!

저도 정말 기뻤어요!!! 게임 내에서 단순히 기사의 옷만 구현됐을 줄 알았는데, 소소한 이벤트도 있어서 정말 기뻤어요!!! 같은 호주 게임이자 인디 게임으로써, 그들이 좋은 관계를 맺고 있는 거 같아 보는 제가 기분이 좋아졌어요. 앞으로도 그들처럼 다른 이스터에그도 많이 있었으면 좋겠네요!!

#cult of the lamb #cotl #ask

hello! saw your reblog pertaining to the "is this character redeemable?" discourse and wanted to toss in my own opinion.

no one [in the fandom] ever defines redemption. even though this is the game where you literally decide which actions are sinful! and since you, as a player, are a cult leader, it feels somewhat annoying to go "I'm the good ruler, these NPCs are the bad ones". <- like I understand that the Bishops slaughtered almost all of the sheep, tortured their followers, abused their powers.. but the Lamb's done that too. not to the same brutal extent, but there's some amount of manipulation/coercion/brainwashing required to lead the flock.

2. the Bishops suffered in Purgatory for an indeterminate amount of time, stuck between life and death, wounds gaping and festering. if punishment equates to redemption, haven't they had enough? <- I feel like the emphasis is often placed on "suffering as a source of of holiness", and not "okay, they were tortured, how do they start making amends"? and then they were stripped of their Crowns, forced into mortal bodies, and shoved into the last Cult.

3. there's so many save files, and thusly, so many directions canon could go in. I may not like someone's saccharine Narinder/Lamb fanfiction, but it isn't necessarily out of character if you've glimpsed the character-buildup first. (example: the Bishops forgiving? forging a truce with Narinder now that they're all followers).

4. also! <- you don't have to answer this immediately, or at all, but I feel like the fandom of "the game where you interrogate what morality is and redefine it" defaults to.. evangelical "martyrdom -> redemption" (which makes. sense??) but. after awhile it just tires me out. there's so many different versions of the Lamb--as the player, as a force of nature, as the arbiter of justice--that could be written!

..and so often the fandom defaults to "the Lamb would HATE them FOREVER >:[". at least in my experience. +I feel like it's more interesting to write the Lamb as "merciful". (example: "I'll let you shelter in my Cult.. as long as you serve me for eternity :3 and if you disobey, I will hunt down what remains of your sect and show them what I HAVE REDUCED YOU TO. Okay? We're clear on that? Yay! ^u^" kindness for the apparent greater good, etc etc).

Sincerely,

Swooning-Sofa

(post-script: I hope you're doing okay-er in regards to your wearisome job. Also the Lamb plushie you displayed looks so cute!! A friend gifted one to me and my first response turned out to be "..oh! you've given me a stuffed animal version of.. me? thanks! -wait a moment.." lol).

+I hope your day's gone well. :O :D

ENG: I’ve been wanting to answer this question so badly for a while now. My job kept getting in the way, but now I’m finally free! Thank you so much for waiting so long, Sofa!!!

1. About Redemption... Maybe it's because I like the Bishops, but I really disliked how the fandom constantly depicted them as absolute evil. If you think about it, didn't the official lore describe Shamura as Lawful Evil? I believe they were simply doing what was necessary on the stage of CotL, even if their methods might seem somewhat violent from our perspective. They only seemed like the bad bosses because our playable character was the Lamb. If we were playing as minions of the Old Faith or the Bishops themselves, the Lamb would have looked like the evil boss. It's entirely a matter of perspective.

2. Suffering and Redemption To be honest, I was also a bit dissatisfied at first that the update allowed us to recruit the Bishops as our followers. Because once they become followers, they just happily laugh, chat, and reunite with their family. But thinking about it again, I realized that this itself is actually the punishment given to them. That's why I even mentioned in a comic I posted in the past that the reason the Lamb spared the Bishops was to subject them to eternal punishment. Furthermore, it's only after a significant amount of time has passed since becoming followers that the Bishop family requests relics, purifies them, and finally meets again to reconcile. Only then do they atone for their sins, occasionally making confessions to the Lamb, and eventually reconciling right in front of them. After that event, the Bishops become official figures in the Lamb's cult and gain the trait of never becoming dissenters. I believe this is exactly the final destination of their atonement. Because of this, I actually thought that there is no specific form of "redemption" in this game. Depending on the perspective, it might feel like redemption, but it's not entirely that either. It seems there is no concept of absolutes here. And through the depiction in Woolhaven showing that the Lamb's species weren't purely good either, I realized that these characters cannot be divided into black and white; their story progresses within that ambiguous, gray boundary. I think this is a truly massive charm point of the game. And I also want to strongly support your opinion of the Lamb as a "benevolent tyrant." The way they smile warmly on the outside but cleanly execute any dissenters who disobey them—that aspect of an absolute ruler really gives me a thrill!

3. The Multiverse I think I saw something in the Woolhaven AMA saying that every playable save data is its own separate universe. So, your words and all of our theories can't really be considered wrong. Because of that, I've decided to just lightly pass over fanworks that aren't my taste now, haha.

Honestly, my heart is pounding because it's been a while since I read something this insightful. It was a bit long, but I really love posts like this that leave me with such deep thoughts. Thank you again for waiting so long!!

전부터 이 답변을 너무나도 하고 싶었어요ㅜ. 회사가 방해했지만 이제는 드디어 자유랍니다ㅜ 정말 오랫동안 기다려주셔서 감사합니다 Sofa!!!

1.구원에 대하여... 주교들을 좋아해서인지 팬덤에서 마냥 주교들을 절대 악으로 묘사하는 걸 보기 싫었어요. 따지고 보면 공식에서 샤무라를 질서악이라고 표현했잖아요? 주교들은 이 무대에서 반드시 필요한 행동을 했던 거 뿐이라고 생각합니다. 그 방법이 우리 입장에서는 다소 폭력적으로 보일 수 있더라도... 우리 플레이어블 캐릭터가 어린 양이었기 때문에 그들이 악으로 보였던 것이지, 만약 옛 신앙의 부하라던가 주교들이었다면, 어린 양이 악으로 보였을 테죠. 완전히 관점의 차이라고 생각합니다.

2. 고통과 구원 저도 사실 업데이트로 인해 주교들을 우리 추종자로 영입을 할 수 있었던 것에 조금 불만이 있었습니다. 우리 추종자가 되면 마냥 행복하게 웃고 떠들며 가족과 다시 재회하잖아요. 하지만 다시금 생각해보니 오히려 이것이야말로 주교들에게 주어진 형벌이라는 생각이 들었어요. 그렇기에 과거 포스트 올린 만화에서도 어린 양이 주교들을 살린 이유가 그들에게 영원한 형벌을 부여하기 위해서라고 언급한 적이 있었죠ㅎㅎ 또 주교 가족들은 팔로워가 된 지 꽤 시간이 흘러서야 유물을 요청하고, 정화하며 결국 그들이 다시금 만나 화해를 해요. 이제서야 그들은 자신의 죄를 속죄하고 때로는 어린 양에게 고해성사를 하며, 결국 이들은 어린 양 앞에서 화해를 했죠. 그 이벤트 이후로 주교들은 어린 양의 교단에 공식적인 주교가 되며, 절대로 이단자가 되지 않는 특성을 가지게 되죠. 이게 바로 그 속죄의 종착점이라고 생각합니다. 그래서 저는 사실 이 게임의 구원이란 형태는 특별히 없다고 생각했습니다. 관점에 따라서는 구원이라고 느낄 수 있어도, 또 마냥 구원은 아닌거죠. 이 곳에서는 절대적인 개념이 없는 거 같아요. 그리고 이번 울헤이븐에서도 어린 양족이 마냥 선한 존재가 아니었다는 묘사를 통해 이 캐릭터들은 흑백으로 나눌 수 없고 회새과 같은 애매한 경계선 안에서 이야기가 진행된다 사실을 깨달았어요. 정말 이게 큰 매력 포인트라고 생각해요. 그리고 어린 양이 자비로운 폭군이라는 해석을 적극 지지하고 싶네요ㅎㅎ. 겉으로는 생긋 웃지만, 자신의 말을 듣지 않는 이단자들을 말끔히 사살해버리는 절대적인 지배자의 면모가 저를 기분 좋게 만들거든요! ㅎㅎㅎ

3.다중우주 울헤이븐AMA에서 우리 플레이어블 세이브 데이터 하나 당 하나의 우주라는 비슷한 말을 보았던 거 같아요. 그러니까 나의 말도, 당신의 말도, 우리 모두의 해석도 마냥 틀렸다고는 볼 수 없지. 그래서 이제는 저도 제 취향이 아닌 작품은 가볍게 넘기기로 했네요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

솔직히 이 정도로 통찰력있는 글을 오랜만에 봐서 심장이 두근거립니다. 조금 길었지만 그만큼 깊은 생각을 안겨주는 글들이 정말 좋다고 생각해요. 오랫동안 기다려줘서 감사합니다!!

#cult of the lamb #cotl #cotl theory #cotl headcanons #ask

sina-hellow

It's the Berith fan again! Don't mean to intrude, but I just love your work and I just wanna make another request.

You know, I've also been kinda partial to Madame Furfur, I think she's very interesting. I wanna see your take on her, if that's okay?

ENG: Hello, anonymous Berith fan! I am so sorry for the late reply. I've been incredibly busy recently preparing to resign from my job. I've finally quit, and I am free at last!

Madam Furfur is a grandma, but she's really cute. The way she yells at us is exactly like my own grandma. I actually live with my grandma, and I find it so adorable because they are so alike.

Thank you so much for waiting, and have a wonderful day!

안녕하세요 베리스 팬 익명님! 너무 늦게 답변 드려서 죄송해요. 최근 퇴사준비 때문에 너무나도 바빴거든요. 지금은 퇴사해서 드디어 자유를 얻었답니다ㅎㅎ. 마담 푸르푸르는 저보다 훨씬 더 나이가 많은 할머니지만 정말 귀엽다고 생각해요. 우리를 향해 큰 소리 치는 모습이 꼭 제 친할머니같아서요ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. 기다려줘서 정말 감사합니다, 좋은 하루 되세요~!!

madame-photon

First of all, congratulations on the resignation!

Second, thank you for the moth grandma~ She and Erlim are my favorites from the new Woolhaven DLC~

sina-hellow

You're very welcome!! Please feel free to ask again anytime!!

Hi Sina, I hope you're feeling better, and that everything goes well for you these days :3

I wanted to share with you a theory I came up with a friend about Laplace and his role as God (and how possible he was a Chosen God).

After analyzing it a bit, I felt that the appropriate title for Laplace would be a God of Destiny, who connects the destiny of chance, in addition to the destiny of souls. It seems that Laplace has a strong connection with both things.

It is also said that his main role would be to guide the souls that will probably end up lost or in purgatory, and that he would have access to this layer without needing the Mystic Seller. It seems that The Lamb does not have natural access to this place and needed the Mystic Seller to enter. So the theory would be that Laplace's concept allowed one to enter this layer of the world naturally. Furthermore, the coins would serve as payment and an identifier of pure and blasphemous souls. So that Laplace would know which souls he should guide to the afterlife and which others had their punishment pending in purgatory.

Regarding a design for Laplace, a friend made a great design that I love. Laplace, having his crown on the back of his head, and which cannot be seen from the front. Besides, the design of the crown is so unique.

If there were more fanart of Laplace, it would surely be great to see him on a boat carrying souls while telling stories of the past.

ENG: Laplace's Demon, the motif behind Laplace's name, is known as a god of destiny. They can perfectly calculate everything that will happen in the future and are depicted as a being that symbolizes determinism.

And when I reread the description of Laplace's relic based on your theories, I realized there was actually a mention of death regarding the coin relic! If this is true, it makes it a bit easier to understand why Narinder was an unchosen god.

Even though death is an absolutely essential element for living beings to exist, the reason the First Gods didn't appoint a God of Death could be that Laplace was already fulfilling that role. You know, like the underworld ferryman rowing a boat that is so often mentioned in the West, hahaha.

The hypothesis that he sorts out which realm souls should enter because he already knows the destiny of all living beings is also incredibly interesting. If Narinder simply lets the souls rest, perhaps Laplace was the one handling the work that came after.

Wow, I also absolutely love the Laplace design your friend made! He looks like a reliable, somewhat scary, but highly dependable oldest brother, haha. Thank you so much for sharing!

라플라스 이름의 모티브가 된 라플라스의 악마는 운명의 신으로 알려져 있죠. 그들은 미래에 일어날 모든 일을 완벽하게 계산할 수 있는데다 운명 결정론을 상징하는 존재로 묘사돼요. 그리고 당신이 추측한 글을 기반으로 라플라스의 유물 설명을 다시 읽어보니, 동전 유물에 죽음과 관련된 언급이 있었네요. 만약 이게 사실이라면 나린더가 왜 선택받지 못한 신이었는 지 조금 이해가 갑니다. 분명 "죽음" 은 생명체가 존재하면 절대적으로 필요한 개념임에도 첫번째 신들이 죽음의 신을 임명하지 않았던 이유는 이미 라플라스가 그 역할을 하고 있었기 때문이라고도 말할 수 있겠네요. 서양에서 흔히 말하는 저승 뱃사공이요ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 라플라스는 모든 생명체의 운명을 알고 있었기 때문에 그 영혼이 어느 공간으로 들어가야할 지 선별한다는 가설도 흥미로워요. 나린더가 영혼을 그저 쉬게만 한다면, 그 후의 작업은 라플라스가 했었을 지도 모르겠네요.

그리고 당신의 친구가 만든 라플라스의 디자인이 정말 마음에 드네요. 듬직하면서도 무섭지만 또 의지가 되는 첫째 형같아ㅋㅋㅋㅋ. 공유해주셔서 감사합니다!!

#cult of the lamb #cotl #cotl theory #cotl headcanons #ask

It's the Berith fan again! Don't mean to intrude, but I just love your work and I just wanna make another request.

You know, I've also been kinda partial to Madame Furfur, I think she's very interesting. I wanna see your take on her, if that's okay?

ENG: Hello, anonymous Berith fan! I am so sorry for the late reply. I've been incredibly busy recently preparing to resign from my job. I've finally quit, and I am free at last!

Madam Furfur is a grandma, but she's really cute. The way she yells at us is exactly like my own grandma. I actually live with my grandma, and I find it so adorable because they are so alike.

Thank you so much for waiting, and have a wonderful day!

#cult of the lamb #cotl #ask

Good morning or afternoon, I hope you're well ^^

There's one opinion I'd like to ask you about, and it's regarding these types of enemies, who wear clothing very similar to Narinder's, even with the red part that appears to be "blood". Although the end of the sleeves makes it look more like a standardized uniform. Do you think this is the same case with Narinder's clothes?

ENG: I’m really sorry for the late reply, Alan. I finally quit my job, and I’m just now getting around to checking my inbox. To be honest, I don’t think I’d really looked closely at the Medic’s outfit before. I only realized it because you pointed it out, haha. According to the puppet show, Narinder wore a black robe like the other bishops during his time as a bishop. But for some reason, when he became the One Who Waits, he started wearing white. That’s why I once said I supported the theory that the Waiting One’s body is a scarecrow, but that hypothesis was debunked during the recent Reddit AMA. Actually, I’ve been a bit neglectful of COTL lately due to my resignation schedule… but I still want to believe that red line is blood. If you look at the bandages worn by the other Bishops, they’re very similar in form to the Waiting One’s clothes. Their wounds are constantly bleeding. That’s why I think Narinder, and for some reason, Medic as well, are constantly bleeding.

I think there’s a deeper meaning behind the fact that Medic isn’t dressed like the other enemies. Is it designed so that when he uses his healing magic, blood flows from his face (or neck)? Only Massive Monster knows the truth, lol.

Thank you for your question!!

정말 늦게 답변 드려서 죄송해요, alan. 저는 드디어 퇴사를 했고, 이제서야 시간이 생겨서 inbox를 보고 있는 중이라서요. 사실 저는 Medic의 복장을 그동안 자세히 보지 못했던 거 같네요. 당신이 말해줘서 알았어요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 인형극을 보면 나린더는 주교였던 시절에 검정 로프를 입고 있었죠. 하지만 어찌된 경위인 지, 기다리는 자가 되었을 때는 하얀 옷을 입게 되죠. 그래서 저는 기다리는 자의 몸이 허수아비일 거 같다는 이론을 지지한다고 얘기한 적이 있었는데, 이번 레딧 AMA를 통해 그 가설이 무너졌어요. 사실 그 뒤로 퇴사일정 때문에 cotl에 조금 소홀했지만... 저는 여전히 그 빨간 라인이 피라고 믿고 싶네요. 다른 주교들의 붕대를 보면 기다리는 자의 옷과 매우 유사한 형태입니다. 그들의 상처는 계속해서 피가 흐르죠. 저는 그래서 나린더도, 그리고 어찌된 경위인 지 모르겠지만 Medic도 계속해서 피가 흐르고 있다고 생각합니다.

Medic은 다른 적들과 같은 복장이 아니라는 점에서 전달하고자 하는 의미가 있다고 생각합니다. 자신의 능력인 회복마법을 사용하면 얼굴(혹은 목)에서 피를 흘리는 구조인걸까요? 그 진상은 매시브 몬스터만이 알겠죠ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

질문해주셔서 감사합니다!!

#cult of the lamb #cotl #ask

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