first of all, we don’t know what causes someone to be trans. we know it’s vaguely biological and 60% of trans people report understanding that they werent cis before they were ten(see the 2015 usts report, which had nearly 3,000 participants)
and we’re discussing rapid onset gender dysphoria here, right? here’s an article debunking it, and i’ll go through it point by point.
BOSTON, March 20, 2023—A study published in the Journal of Adolescent Health found that a substantial proportion of transgender and gender diverse (TGD) adults realized that their gender identity is different from their sex assigned at birth during adolescence or later. It also found that TGD people typically waited many years before sharing this realization with another person. The study adds important new knowledge to clinical and popular understanding of the timing of TGD people’s awareness, understanding, and sharing of their gender identity. It also undercuts a core component of the “rapid onset gender dysphoria” (ROGD) hypothesis, which posits that TGD identities realized in adolescence are transient and will not continue into adulthood.
“The ROGD hypothesis suggests that transgender and gender diverse identities that become clear after puberty don’t last beyond one’s adolescent years,” said lead study author Dr. Jack Turban, Director, Gender Psychiatry Program and Assistant Professor, Division of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco. “With over 40 percent of transgender and gender diverse adults reporting that they first realized that their gender identity differed from their sex assigned at birth during adolescence, that theory clearly does not hold.”
aright so, in case that was too many letters for you- we have no other evidence that suports shrier’s claims. shrier ALSO got her participants from groups which already didn’t support their children’s transition, and she didn’t interview the children themselves. some of these ‘children’ were also trans adults whom had transitioned happily and their parents were purely bitter.
The ROGD hypothesis, first published in 2018, immediately gained influence in public policy debates with coverage by publications ranging from The Economist to Science. A correction was issued shortly after publication of the initial ROGD manuscript stating that “ROGD is not a formal mental health diagnosis at this time. This report did not collect data from the adolescents and young adults or clinicians and therefore does not validate the phenomenon.” Despite this, elements of the ROGD hypothesis continue to be prominently featured in influential mainstream media discourse, including the New York Times. The hypothesis is also used by numerous governmental agencies, lawmakers, and policy analysts to justify legislative and regulatory measures prohibiting adolescents from accessing gender-affirming medical care, despite opposition from all major medical organizations.
ok, so let me get this correct. those who support the rapid onset gender dysphoria theory are- going against the advice of all medical organizations, not affirming trans identities which we know can lead to suicide in children, and isn’t even a real diagnosis anyway. it’s one study compared to hundreds that disagree with it.
“Problem is, they can't can't control which hormones they produce either, so sometimes a boy will have too much estrogen which will make him question his gender, and sometimes a girl will have too much testosterone which ends up making her feel like a boy.”
wrong in so many directions. i assume you’re talking about intersex people, or people with differences of sex development(dsd) with hormone imbalances. hormone imbalances don’t make people trans whatsoever, otherwise we’d have studies showing that.
this is a wikipedia article, but it’ll have to suffice.
“Studies conducted on twins suggest that there are likely genetic causes of gender incongruence, although the precise genes involved are not known or fully understood.[3][4] One study published in the International Journal of Transgender Health found that in 20% of identical twin pairs, if one twin was trans, the other was as well, compared to only 2.6% of non-identical twins where this was the case; researchers attribute this to their shared genetics.[4]”
so… nothing about hormone imbalances there? and if we’re dealing with twin studies that support a primarily genetic cause, that means transness is immutable and(most of the time) caused in the womb. i believe transgenderism is partially genetic and partially developmental, which you can’t really reverse.
the go over some more studies- one that compared trans women to cis men, finding trans women had… well, to dumb it down, a more difficult time synthesizing testosterone.
“Most notably, transmasculine subjects not only had the variant genotype more frequently, but had an allele distribution equivalent to cisgender male controls, unlike the cisgender female controls. The paper concluded that the loss of a female-specific CYP17 T -34C allele distribution pattern is associated with transmasculinity”
that’s gibberish to me and you, but this is on biological causes.
Several studies have found a correlation between gender identity and brain structure.[9] A first-of-its-kind study by Zhou et al. (1995) found that in the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis(BSTc), a region of the brain known for sex and anxiety responses (and which is affected by prenatal androgens),[10] cadavers of six trans women had female-normal BSTc size, similar to the study's cadavers of cisgender women. While the trans women had undergone hormone therapy, and all but one had undergone sex reassignment surgery, this was accounted for by including cadavers of non-trans female and male controls who, for a variety of medical reasons, had experienced hormone reversal. The controls still had sizes typical for their sex. No relationship to sexual orientation was found.[11]
some people like to discount this- the trans women were on estrogen, of course it changed their brain structure! but in a follow up study, “one transfeminine subject who had never received hormone therapy was also included, and nonetheless matched up with the female neuron counts.” interesting. so… our brain structures really are different, most of the time.
A 2009 MRI study by Luders et al. found that among 24 trans women not treated with hormone therapy, regional gray matterconcentrations were more similar to those of cisgender men than of cisgender women, but there was a significantly greater volume of gray matter in the right putamen compared to cisgender men.
wow, even MORE information to back up my claims!
now, i could go through the rest of this article with more studies. im tired. i have things to do. you can read it yourself.
but if you think that gender is simply determined by what hormones we put in out bodies, then why didn’t alan turning identify as female when they tried to treat his homosexuality with estrogen? he developed female secondary sex characteristics, but he didn’t ever claim to have started feeling like a woman. in fact, being put on hormones that were incongruent with his identity led him to suicide, just like many trans people who are forced to go through a puberty they don’t feel is right.
or we could take my friend who started testosterone when he turned 16 after 4 years of extensive counseling and evaluations. he had identified as male for 6 years at that point, and so they put him on a combo of puberty blockers and testosterone. before this, his estrogen levels were the same as any female person. now he’s living happily as male. the only thing that changed was his physical body, and perhaps a big of his brain structure, but the only psychological differences or behavioral differences i’ve noticed in him was that he was happier, more confident, ext.
basically, your theory is bunk. from what we can tell, most trans identities solidify before the age of 15, the vast majority being before ten. MOST OF THESE IDENTITIES SOLIDIFY BEFORE ANY PUBERTY HORMONES ARE PRESENT IN THE BODY.
i, for example, knew i was a trans man when i was 9 years old and someone asked me if i was a boy or not- my glasses were pink but i dressed male with a short haircut. i’d cried because that was the first time i felt like i was seen. i hadnt started puberty at that point, not one bit. so it could not have been the hormones. i was able to surpress and hide these feelings for 3 more years before my dysphoria was so bad that i was suicidal, so i came out at 12 years old. when i was 11, i was forced to confront it- feeling like a boy and wishing i was a boy, since i was old enough to recognize gender, wasn’t the feelings of a cis girl. puberty forced me to confront that.
also, “puberty makes people irrational so they can’t understand themselves” is bullshit. pubescent children can have depression, right? bipolar disorder? they can receive treatment for that, medications and therapy. they’re old enough to have those feelings and understand what’s going on with them. your blanket statement is true, but it has nothing to do with childrens and teens ability to know their identity and their ability to consent or not to those changes. your statement also makes it easy to discredit anyone you disagree with, science aside. no one will listen to someone deemed crazy and hormonal and untrustworthy. if you want to hear the sources on trans children, i have studies on them as well. low desist/detrans rates, how hrt often reduces depression, anxiety, and suicidality, and how letting a child live in the gender they feel they are lets them develop without a mental health problem. so.
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