Caitlyn Jenner revealed stories about her life prior to her coming out as a woman in a speech for a local LGBTQ organization.
This isn’t a funny story. Trying on your ten year old daughter’s clothes, because you get a boner when you wear women’s clothes, is sexual abuse. Plain and simple, end of discussion.
I’m trying to articulate something about what’s different this time…
When it was gay men’s heads on the block, and petitioning for their rights, conservatives trotted out all the weirdo gay queer sex shit that gay men did (and do), raising them as an existential threat in bathrooms and to children. Leather daddies, group sex orgies, AIDs, etc. Gay men are even sometimes convicted pedophiles, after all.
Mmm, stereotype threat.
So what’s different this time? With gay men, they could make the assimilationist argument. “We’re just like you. Those are bad apples. We love capitalism. Etc.” White middle class assimilation was showcased, weirdo gay sex was hid from the light.
In this new installment, now with trans women, Caitlyn Jenner *is* the assimilationist spokesperson! We can’t say “We’re just like you. Those are bad apples.” Because this is the norm ‘we’ are placing forward.
We seem to now be at the point now where the “weirdo queer sex” is vying for assimilation?
I dunno.
This weirdo queer sex is unfollowing you.
Ok.
For the record, I’m a weirdo queer sex too, I guess.
I suppose my language might seem off or offensive, but it’s more of a failed attempt at writing semi-ironically from cis mainstream point of view, which I tend to do a lot when I’m writing lazily, in the same way I might call my self a failed tranny, or something. I’m describing “what hetereonormative people see”. I’m not making a negative judgement on adult queer sex lives, I’m describing the stereotypes trotted out by anti-gay people, and the reaction of gay politics of pushing assimilation. That’s kinda what my comment about stereotype threat was about. Maybe that didn’t come through. Or, maybe, you just don’t like it when minority groups talk about themselves ironically this way (which many seem to do).
But yes, I do agree with snowflake that it’s inappropriate and violating for an adult father to try on his daughter’s clothes. And I really hope there wasn’t a boner in the video the daughters caught!
My point, at the time anyway, which I might not even agree with anymore, is that the previously hidden queer sex is now front and center, vying for acceptance. There are no more ‘bad apples’ to hide away in an appeal to white-heteronormative-like assimilation, and that is a pretty big jump up from what lgbt rights used to look like 5 or 10 years ago. That’s gonna be a tough sell.
No, I talk about myself and other trans people ironically in that way all the time.
It was inappropriate for Jenner to try on the daughters’ clothes. And if there was an erection caught on camera, that would have been unfortunate. But it was not “sexual abuse.”
The problem is that Jenner is not being a “bad apple,” because she is not owning any transvestite sexuality. She didn’t say that she tried on her daughter’s clothes in order to masturbate, did she? Just “try on a few things.” To express her feminine soul. That is the form that assimilationism is taking today.
Honestly, I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with snowflakeespecial in this post, but I unfollwed her long ago, probably for the same kind of judgmental shit she’s doing in this post.
Radfems will occasionally acknowledge the humanity of transsexuals, and even show them something like empathy. But for them, we are never that human. We are not even human enough to be the subject of an attack. We are mythical monsters that exist only as names to call transsexuals.
Snowflakeespecial is pulling the same exact shit, because she wants to show everyone how she can be as rad as the raddiest radfem. But it’s worse because she’s trans, so she’s throwing us transvestites under the radfem bus. And not only are you not calling her on it, you’re just blithely musing about “weirdo queer sex” while she does it.
If you’re really a weirdo queer sex, then fucking stand up for your fellow weirdos.
Grvsmth, I honestly love your analysis about Jenner not being a bad apple. But I seriously fail to see how is masturbating in your daughter’s underwear NOT sexual abuse?
For the record, I fully support transvestites and males who are sexually aroused by wearing “female” clothing 100%! Believe me, I went to plenty of their sex clubs and fetish events when I was 19-22. (See also, Joel’s post about het cd’s here - I had much the same experience.) And in a more general sense, I fully support sexual subcultures, as long as they don’t condone rape and sexual abuse.
HOWEVER, male cds/transvestites need to keep it in the appropriate places. Which would be: in adult nightclubs and bars, in private social clubs, in private online social networks, and in their homes (but appropriately and/or with consent). Crucially: NOT in their children’s bedrooms, and behind their wive’s backs. Also: NOT in public, when being seen in public “en femme” is part of their sexual script! That means they are eroticizing non-consent, which is basically the definition of sexual abuse.
I also have an issue with males who transition primarily due to sexual reasons saying that their sexual desires make them "basically female”, the same as transsexuals who transition for reasons that are not primarily sexual. But, this is probably my own baggage making me feel like I need to draw a line in the sand, and I’m trying to unpack that.
But if you want to say I’m “throwing transvestites under the radfem bus” because I speak out about males sexually abusing women, it says more about your own issues than my actions.
