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abandon all hope, ye who enter here... welcome to the DISCOURSE DEN.

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Can we talk about the respect Lucifer shows Sam in S5?

Lucifer has been waiting for Sam’s vessel for “a long, long time”. In fact, it’s essential to the showdown that has consumed his thoughts for eons.

Yet when Sam finally offers him permission in Swan Song, he restrains himself. In fact, he waits for Sam to say yes THREE times before he occupies his body.

The first time, he makes sure he’s heard him correctly. The second time, he questions the validity of Sam’s decision.

The third time, he accepts the offer BUT ONLY AFTER he’s talked it through with him: established the facts; set the terms of the deal; got his final approval. He doesn’t just want to manipulate Sam - he goes out of his way to make sure they have a mutual understanding, based on honesty.

Lucifer, who has invariably referred to his hatred of the human race (“a pile of cockroaches”; “hairless apes”; “broken, flawed, abortions”, etc.), shows Sam Winchester an unparalleled level of respect.

I want more of this!!!

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hey supernatural writers y'all forgot this when you were turning lucifer into a mess these past two seasons

[gothpandaotaku]

Destiel doesn’t exist.

Jensen Ackles, Jaxcon 2017 (via spnhonesty)

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when u like a character for their potential to be interesting and complex more than how they’re actually written

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“i have a lot of issues with supernatural’s writing team...”

“...they should just make destiel canon already! they’ve been baiting us for so long, and everybody wants them to get together”

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the fact that the writers have acknowledged angels are genderless by portraying cas in a female vessel (again) shows that dean doesn’t have to be bi to have romantic feelings for cas, and that destiel hasn’t happened because there is no romance between them, not because dean is suppressing his fictional bisexuality

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cant wait for all the destihellers to erase lgbt+ representation by using this canon gay hunter couple to “prove” their ship is real in their usual gross fashion.

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i can’t believe supernatural ripped off sharkboy and lavagirl

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Do you think that fans are really sending threatening messages to Moosha, as claimed by a minion? How would they know he was receiving threats?

i honestly doubt it. hes made no mention that i know of of receiving any type of threats, nor has cliff or jensen or jared or anyone else who would know about that type of thing. its like when they said misha had been attacked by a hater at a con (like wayyyy  back in 2012) when it never actually happened, just to make him seem more pitiable and to demonize those of us who dont like him. 

i wont believe anything they claim until i see actual proof of it myself, and i havent so far. the only way his minions would know at this point if he was getting hate is if they were sending it themselves.

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Do you hate Castiel?

nah, not really. in fact, back in season 4/5 he was probably even my favourite character. but now hes overstayed his welcome, and his presence in the show brings in a bunch of extra bullshit that isnt relevant to the plot, all so that castiel has his own storyline each season. like losing his grace. or being possessed by lucifer (which im very angry about because casifer ruined lucifers character). or being mind controlled by naomi. it was all just unnecessary and because the writers try so hard to give him something to do to keep him relevant it ends up wrecking other aspects of the show.

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if you subtract the casifer mess from the equation, this season SO FAR has been better than just about any recent season. the filler episodes have been interesting and thoughtful, the relationship between the brothers is strong and rid of stupid drama, and the storyline itself just seems a lot tighter, like they trimmed off all the fat and excess that was unneeded and didn’t contribute to the plot.

and do you know why that is?

because its just sam and dean again.

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dean is the romeo to sams juliet… killing himself when he thought sam was dead… amazing. how extra

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I like the comparison of this season to season five via the Bobby & Rufus parallel. Because here we are, back in the middle of an apocalypse, just like 6 years ago, with archangels and absent gods and impossible to beat villains; same song, different verse. ... and Rufus' line about "not being able to save everyone" strikes a chord, too. Maybe they won't be able to save Cas.

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Have you noticed that none of the minions seem at all interested in "spreading love" in the Dean x amara/Demara tags, despite the fact they they're the ones spamming it in the first place. Those aren't even anti tags, so it'd actually make sense they would want to make them more positive.

oh ya it’s blatant hypocrisy no doubt about it. they only care about spamming anti tags for things they like with positivity because it bothers them that people are hating on the things they like. but according to them, putting hate in the demara tags is okay because according to them “demara is a rape ship!!!”. which, if you’ll notice, is what they say every time a woman gets in the way of destiel…

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Positivity is not immature, creating hate blogs dedicated to bitching, moaning and wishing harm on someone is. I'm not just speaking about Misha here, there are hate blogs dedicated to Jared and maybe even Jensen as you probably know. If I don't like someone I just don't post about them, simple as. Time could be spent posting about what you love and enjoy rather than what you hate.

you’re twisting my words. I never said spreading positivity was immature, I said that spamming tags just because you don’t like the content in them is. I do spend time posting about the things I love, but why shouldn’t I be allowed to get upset when something that frustrates me happens? when I post about something I don’t like, it’s because I know there are people out there who will agree or disagree with me, and I want to see what they think about the issue so I can see different perspectives. and besides, even if I was only “bitching and moaning” to vent, why make that your issue? it does nothing to affect you, or anyone else, for that matter. you shouldn’t be policing other peoples behavior. just because someone has an opinion you don’t like doesn’t mean that you should try to control them or silence them, which is effectively what this whole “fill the anti tags with positivity” shtick is about.

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@kessycat9 filling anti tags with positivity? really? if people dont like destiel, or cockles, or misha, but keep them contained to specific tags for the sole purpose of not having them leak into YOUR ship tags, why shouldn’t they be allowed to? spamming the tags we use to share our unpopular opinions and discuss the things that frustrate us doesnt help anyone or solve anything, it just pisses us off (and shows that you and your camp of “peacemaker” destiel shippers are immature). you guys only cry “but we’re a family! lets stop being mean to each other!!!” when your ships or misha get hate, but when emily swallow or demara, megstiel, etc get hate, its usually from your group, or if it isnt, you just turn a blind eye. its blatantly hypocritical, and, quite frankly, more than a little pathetic. you’d get mad at having your ship tags filled with hate, wouldn’t you? so stop filling our anti tags with your “positivity”.

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I actually ship destiel, but a lot of the shippers are awful. Too be honest, I don't want it to become canon. It's something I like to think about, but in canon it would just feel awkward tbh. Also, how could anybody hate Sam? I actually like him more than I like Dean.

yeah I totally get what you mean. I don't dislike everyone who ships it, but the loud minority of the shippers who are so obnoxious and rude about it (aka the Hellers) try my patience so hard lmao. the way they shove their ship in everybody's faces, shame the writers for "queerbaiting" them, and make the rest of the fandom just look bad in general pisses me off. there are definitely cool destiel shippers too, and I have no problem with them.as for hating sam, that also falls mostly on the shoulders of radical destiel shippers who think sam should be killed off so that the sam and dean show can become the dean and cas show. they also tend to blame a lot of bad things that happen to cas on sam (purgatory, cas going crazy in season 7, cas getting kicked out of the bunker when he's human) on sam, which is always hilarious because the stuff they blame sam for is usually either deans or cas' fault. sam is actually getting more popular these past few seasons (this season especially) and sam hate seems to be a rare commodity, which is a big improvement compared to how things used to be.