| Female | 23 years old | I am the type of person to speculate and theorize about things a lot of people probably wouldnāt even think about lol | Iām actually not that into shipping but when I do ship characters I usually donāt mind shipping the same character with different people if I think they could be happy together. So you could call me a Multishipper I guess. |
Okay, this is a weird coincidence, but I just saw the poster for the new Miraculous World: Tokyo - Stellar Force Special set to release at the end of 2025 and the Miraculous: Stellar Force Spin-Off set to premiere in 2027 and I was likeā¦ āWaitā¦ That name āStellar Forceā seems strangely familiar.ā
And look at thatā¦ back on the 12th of November 2024, I started writing a Concept Idea for a magical girl comic named Stellar Force myself!
I put together character profiles with personalities, family, stand-in names, some starting lore and more. I never finished it, and honestly, never planned to finish it, publish it or even fully write and draw it out. It was just a random idea I had when I was in a massive Precure phase. But yeah, I named it Stellar Force too. This is such a funny coincidence.
Kwami Swap Day 3, this time with the Sublime and the sublime horse miraculous! I actually found it pretty difficult to find a miraculous that fit Sublime, but I finalized the horse due to her being an athlete that specializes in running. She was pretty fun to design, and I got to focus on more athletic wear! Her prosthetics were a pain to draw, but I feel they came out pretty well! Who should I do next?
Day 1 of Miraculous Kwami Swaps, starting with my new favorite character of season 6, Diane! Sheās so funny to me, just due to all her luck, so I think giving her the miraculous of luck would be pretty fitting! What do you think? Who should I do next?
The High Road: A counterpoint to one of the most commonly used Salt Takes for Adrien.
This isn't really a salt fic idea, but since we are on the topic of salt on this blog, I'd like to take a moment to talk about a scene that has largely been used out of contex ever since Chameleon came out, and that is the infamous high road scene that has since been used to death for every Adrien salt story
For those who are unaware of this scene (or perhaps are unfamiliar with the canon version), in the episode Chameleon of Sesason 3, Marinette is about to go expose a plot hole in one of Lila's many fabrications, only for Adrien to stop her by stating that it won't change Lila for the better (Full Transcript Below). Keep this transcript in mind because I'll be referencing it a lot.
Now, this scene doesn't seem like something to be mad over, but the the whole episode of Chameleon has twisted a lot of people's perceptions of certain characters for the worse. This particular scene just happens to be one that changed people's pereceptions of Adrien.
However, I think its actually somewhat unjustified. I feel that in many ways, Chameleon as a whole has been misrepresented for what changes it has actually brought into the show, and I feel that it's easy to take a lot of moments in the episode out of context, especially when emotions come into play. The episode transcript actually happened to be leaked before it was supposed to be relased, so a lot of people already made up their minds about what this episode was about before it was released. It's easy to hate on this episode when you're friends in discord have watched it before you and have started to shout buzzwords such as "The class betrayed Marinette!" or "Adrien is a monster!", etc etc. I would know, since that was how I found out about the episode in the first place, and watching it for the first time didn't change my initial perceptions.
Today, I would like to take a moment to take the infamous high road scene and talk about what it meant for the salty portion of the fandom, before taking a metaphoically sledgehammer and slamming some misconceptions about Adrien from the perspective of salty people. Sure, they're other scenes that could be looked at, but since every salt fic tends to reuse this plot point, I feel it deserves its own deconstruction.
1. The High-Road scene is proof that Adrien is an asshole!
Now this statement is a bit of a buzzword since the actual reasons for people disliking this scene can vary, but to be fair, the reaction to this scene is also more nuanced as well.
In truth, a lot of people already had issues with Adrien/Chat Noir as a whole (for reasons that I won't elaborate here since it would be worth its own post), but this scene seemed to open the floodgates with hatred for our secondary protagonist out of his percieved inaction, since many people now had dislike for Adrien, while those who hated him prior were more than happy to provide fuel for the fire. After the episode was released, these ideas began to merge together, resulting in this belief that Adrien has always been an asshole, and that the Chameleon scene was simply the final straw, and that if the show was written by a good writer (read: anyone who hated the episode), Marinette would actually ditch his ass!
Now, its debatable on whether Adrien had writing issues prior to this point, but I feel that using this scene to justify hatred for him is outright slander for several reasons:
First of all, Adrien never suggested for Marinette to take the high road if we are being logistical about it. He only complimented her on that regard, telling her she did a good job for "taking the high road", and that was after he sat next to her to show he was by her side.
His actual message to Marinette was that it wasn't worth it to try expose Lila at that moment (and to be fair, it wouldn't have worked, more on that later though) because all it would do is make her double down on her behavior. Plus, trying to expose her in front of everyone would just hurt Lila more than help everyone else, which is, if anything, not untrue.
Overall, the advice Adrien gave to Marinette was not meant out of a desire to hurt anyone (least of all Marinette), but was out of a genuine desire to help resolve a situation and prevent Marinette from doing something that would not have helped the situation. Even if he does have other character flaws, this situation was by no means a reason to villainize him for it.
2. Adrien prefers Lila over Marinette, thats why he told the latter to take the high road!
Again, another idea that is found in fanfics, but is ultimately untrue in canon.
While Adrien doesn't believe Lila at all from the beginning of the episode, he isn't exactly just letting Lila's actions slide either; his stance comes from that of believing that Lila being decietful will do nothing to actually help her make friends. However, rather than confronting her angrily like Marinette does, Adrien instead tries to be friendly with her and try offer Lila some advice to try and change, albiet to no avail.
Now, some people might argue that Lila doesn't deserve kindness considering her threat to Marinette just moments ago, but it should be also stated that Adrien knows NOTHING about this: as far as he's aware, Lila is a transfer student looking to make friends, but has a wrong way of doing so (so in a way, she's not unlike him, from his POV at least), so he's just trying to help her, rather than attempt to force her out in the open.
(Quick tibit though, if Adrien knew what Lila did to Marinette, he would probably be more inclined to help her and protect his friends, given that he was willing to 'sacrifice' himself to get Marinette un-expelled in the Ladybug episode)
By the end of the episode Adrien is obviously dissapointed in Lila continuing to act the way that she is, but ultimately refuses to sink to Lila's level in order to teach her a lesson. As childish as it is (and it should be considering Adrien is a TEEN) Adrien believes that Lila's deceptions will ultimately come back to bite her (Adrien even tells her this himself, see below.), but trying to expose her in front of everyone else will do more harm to Lila than it will help others, hence his methods of speaking to her privately about it.
3. Adrien's reasoning is horrible and stupid! He deserves to pay for it!
This reasoning is the one I find the most dissapointing, partly because it inspired The Karma of Lies story (Written by CartoonAddict564), and also because while Adrien's reasoning can come off as naive, it is by no means stupid, nor should he have to suffer for having a different viewpoint for Marinette. But to understand, you need to think of Adrien in terms of his character.
Adrien is not just a celebrity, but also a child with a very controlling father, who pretty much controls and manages his day to day life with the help of his secretary. As a result of his popularity, Adrien has to be very careful with what he says or does, not only because it would reflect poorly onto his father's company, but it would also force his father to step in. As the Collector has shown, Adrien being able to even LEAVE the home is something that could easily be revoked at any time, and being Cat Noir has only loosened the bars on his cell, not remove them completely. Adrien has very little to gain by confronting Lila, but everything to lose, which is in direct contrast to Marinette having everything to lose by letting Lila walk by.
So in the face of all that, plus the situation he is in now, why would he not act passive and provide advice to try mitigate conflict rather than escalate it?
Now whether or not that should be seen as selfish is debatable, it's ultimately not out of character for Adrien to try and provide more passive options to deal with Lila rather than go for the most violent option. You could even argue that Adrien's actions are also out kindness to Marinette, since (in his eyes at least) it could get her in trouble with her own parents if they try and confront Lila violently.
At worst, Adrien's passiveness is a result of his controlled upbringing. At best? He was just trying to help without causing conflict.
4. Adrien shouldn't have stopped Marinette from confronting Lila!
.... im sorry to say this, but yes he absolutely should have.
Marinette was about to confront Lila over which ear her supposed tinnitus was in. Aside from the fact trying to expose her on this alone would not have worked, this would have just resulted in Marinette becoming more estranged from her classmates in this situation. If Marinette should have confronted Lila about her lying, this was DEFINTELY NOT the way to do it.
This isn't to say that Marinette could not have confronted Lila, but this moment simply was not it. There were better alternatives to Marinette that she could employ in the future had she thought of doing so (such as coming to Alya as Ladybug and revealing that her frienship with Lila is a lie), or carrying a voice recorder to record any threats made by Lila.
As uncathartic as the situation was, from a writing standpoint Adrien's inteference ultimately helped Marinette keep her friendships in the long run, while avoiding making a fool of herself with a battle she simply could not win.
5. It's Adrien's fault that Marinette didn't go after Lila! Marinette would have been better if she brushed him off!
This sounds crazy, but this is a genuine point that people seem to mention when it comes to their reasons for writing salt fics. Even if Adrien's attempts to dissaude Marinette were out of concern rather than malice, people still condemn Adrien for pushing Marinette off that path of going after Lila. In their eyes, Marinette didn't get her immediate revenge for what Lila did, and Lila herself was allowed to continue manipulating the class. All of this becomes Adrien's fault by virtue of being the one to deny this from happening, denying the fans their catharsis.
However, the question I ask it that for all the blame they give to Adrien in this situation ... how come nobody blames Marinette at all for the same thing?
See, despite people argue that Adrien manipulated Marinette into not going after Lila, Marinette isn't necassarily gullible or stupid. If Marinette really thought that Lila was a threat worth going after, she could and would have easily found a way to take Lila down and get her removed, with or without Adrien's support (given she made a similar plan in season 5 for when Gabriel tried to get the Kwamis to lead him to Marinette). She wouldn't even need a miraculous to do so given she can make plans without transforming, and most of Lila's lies aren't particularly smart, they just can't be immediately discredited without proof.
And it can't even be argued that Adrien took advantage of Marinette's love for him (whether intentionally or not). Marinette has shown that even though she does value her friends, she doesn't need to rely on the validation of others to do whatever she feels is right (given that she argued against Alya and others in Risk when it came to their belief that Adrien was fine, even though she was partly amped by an akuma at the time). And if Marinette did think that Adrien was wrong, she probably wouldn't have continued to crush on him anymore.
Also its kind of lowkey sexist? Like, Marinette can probably make her own decisions, she doesn't need someone to dictate her own actions given she's the leader of a superhero team?
Ultimately, Marinette made the choice not to go after Lila. Perhaps she thought that Lila wasn't worth it. Maybe she thought that taking down Lila wasn't worth the time and stress. Maybe she ended up agreeing with Adrien and thought that Lila would expose herself sooner rather than later with her own deceptions. Either way, Marinette can make her own decisions, and she ultimately thought that going after Lila was not a good idea, for whatever reason.
Now, some people might be upset about this idea that Marinette is to blame, but people can't just play the blame game and expect their target to lose. It would honestly be preferrable to say that both Adrien and Marinette made a decision that (for better or worse) thought was good at the time and that neither should be judged for it, but the fandom doesn't seem to care for that because that means their salt fics would be invalid.
Thus, since people want to blame Adrien for apparently "manipulating" Marinette, Marinette should get equal blame for allowing herself to be manipulated by Adrien. Sucks to hear it, but since nobody calls out Marinette on her shit, I might as well be the first. Sorry if it triggers you ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ.
So ... what does this all mean?
It means that my boy Adrien is innocent.
He meant no harm by suggesting that Marinette not go after Lila, nor did he do it because he took Lila's side over Marinette's. At best, he was unaware of how evil Lila was and thought she was misunderstood, and at worse he defaulted to using the same ideas that he uses to protect what limited freedoms he had, and offered it to Marinette as geunine advice. Marinette isn't a pushover either, meaning that not only did she also think what Adrien said was a good idea, but the fandom is inadvertently being sexist by implying she can't be independent and can't make her own decisions, given that she's shown her own independence multiple times. At best, both characters made a dumb decision that they thought was good, but neither can be soley responsible.
Ultimately, Chameleon was an episode that gave Adrien (and whoever else was targeted) a bad rep due to the kneejerk reaction everyone had to the episode due to Lila's lies, myself included. In truth, nothing of what happened in the episode had any actual long term effects, since Marinette still kept her friends and Lila didn't end up playing any major role for nearly 2 seasons, at least until season 5 finally got rid of 'Lila' and set up 'Cerise' to be the new Butterfly villain.
It took me a long while to put this belief into words, and it may be 2 seasons too late, but at least I can upload it now knowing that this truth could possible be shared with the world. Maybe it will stop the excess of salt fics in the world, and allow for new salt free works to be made. Who knows?
Anyways, I hope you found this to be an interesting read as I had writing it!
You are ignoring 2 major points here.
1. Lilaās lies arenāt just about Marinette and Lila. Why are they the only ones who matter to you? Lila literally takes advantage of the classmates, having them carry everything for her (that is canon, just look at the cafeteria scenes when they carry her things because of her wrist), and not to mention that she probably made promises she canāt keep, and donāt forget Lilaās Mrs. Rossi even before we knew that Ms. Rossi isnāt even Lilaās only mother and that she has 3, Lila literally committed truancy for multiple months. In most countries, including France, school is a must and her not going could have legal consequences for Miss Rossi.
Itās like watching toddlers fighting. If you want to complain about Thomas Astruc being immature, donāt be immature about it yourself. Youāre just being a hypocrite.
Itās the worst on Twitter, YouTube and Reddit actually. People like this probably exist on Tumblr too but the discussions Iāve had on Tumblr were rather civil, even when we had opposing opinions. Social Media platforms have become a hell hole regardless of the platform. People nowadays just want to fight.
I usually wouldnāt post about Genshin Impact here but I just felt like I have to let this out.
(Screenshot taken from the Animation Cutscene of Furinaās Story Quest āThe Little Oceanidā. The cutscene is linked below. Keep in mind, that this is a cutscene thatās shown within Furinaās Story Quest, so it contains some spoilers for the Story Quest. If you donāt want to get spoiled, donāt watch the video.)
The 4.2 Archon Quest and Furinaās Story Quest made me fall in love with Furina as a character (not literally falling in love I hope you get what I mean.). I just love everything about her. Her personality, her backstory and even her character design. Thereās so much depth to her. Donāt get me wrong I liked her before 4.2 too. I actually liked her ever since she first appeared in 4.0, but each update made me like her a bit more and now with the Archon Quest concluded and with Furinaās story quest out I canāt help but be enamored by her. Ayaka used to be my favorite Genshin Impact character ever since I first saw her because there was something about her personality that reminded me of myself. But that spot has now been taken by Furina. She has become my number 1 favorite Genshin Impact character. She is very relatable to me and personality wise she also reminds me of myself. I canāt go into detail on why she reminds me of myself and why she is relatable to me without spoiling the quest tho. I was trying to pull for Furina but I sadly lost my 50/50 to Dehya. Hope Iāll still somehow get her tho during her Bannerās duration.
I usually wouldnāt post about Genshin Impact here but I just felt like I have to let this out.
(Screenshot taken from the Animation Cutscene of Furinaās Story Quest āThe Little Oceanidā. The cutscene is linked below. Keep in mind, that this is a cutscene thatās shown within Furinaās Story Quest, so it contains some spoilers for the Story Quest. If you donāt want to get spoiled, donāt watch the video.)
The 4.2 Archon Quest and Furinaās Story Quest made me fall in love with Furina as a character (not literally falling in love I hope you get what I mean.). I just love everything about her. Her personality, her backstory and even her character design. Thereās so much depth to her. Donāt get me wrong I liked her before 4.2 too. I actually liked her ever since she first appeared in 4.0, but each update made me like her a bit more and now with the Archon Quest concluded and with Furinaās story quest out I canāt help but be enamored by her. Ayaka used to be my favorite Genshin Impact character ever since I first saw her because there was something about her personality that reminded me of myself. But that spot has now been taken by Furina. She has become my number 1 favorite Genshin Impact character. She is very relatable to me and personality wise she also reminds me of myself. I canāt go into detail on why she reminds me of myself and why she is relatable to me without spoiling the quest tho. I was trying to pull for Furina but I sadly lost my 50/50 to Dehya. Hope Iāll still somehow get her tho during her Bannerās duration.
Iām starting to hate having discussions about Miraculous theories with people in YouTube comment sections. 99% of the times the people who are replying, reply one of those things (or at least something along those lines):
āIām not reading that.ā/āNot gonna read it. Itās too long.ā (It doesnāt even have to be a long text. Oftentimes this even comes when itās literally just 1 short paragraph. Sometimes anything longer than 4 sentences gets that reply.)
āYou are stupid.ā/ āYouāre theory is stupid.ā (Why do some people have to resort to insults?)
āStay mad.ā (This reply is usually always their second reply. The first one usually always being something like āYou are wrongā and then no explanation on why you are wrong. So you try to clarify your point and give more evidence. And then they say āStay mad.. Like as if they are implying that they are right no matter how much proof you give them. I even gave someone proof from the official sources like Disney, Zagtoon or the writers and they still acted like they were right and I was wrong.)
āIt was in the concepts for the episode.ā (Now thatās a stupid thing to use to judge whether or not something is canon. Concepts for episodes get dismissed, changed and rewritten ALL the time. I donāt know a single episode no matter in what show where they didnāt either scratch details or even entire scenes, changed details or even entire scenes or rewritten the whole episode. Why do people believe that a concept that has been made months (or sometimes even more than a year) in advance is still going to be up to date once the episode is fully finished? How does anyone believe that? Especially when the finished episode itself contradicts that initial conceptā¦)
Seriously thoā¦ how are you supposed to have a proper discussion with someone if the other person isnāt even bringing in anything constructive to the discussion? Itās literally impossibleā¦ These people clearly do not want to discuss any theories and yet they keep replying to any at all discussions about theoriesā¦
I want to bleach my eyes. What did I just read? At least now I remember why I never finished reading this fanfic. Screenshot is behind the read more.
Why do people have to sexualize children? Marinette was 13 in season 1 and 14 in seasons 2-5. Sheās a freaking minor. Even in this fanfic sheās still 14, since this fanfic is placed during season 4. Itās just straight up creepy to put something like this in a fanfic about a freaking kids show where the main character is a minorā¦ Even if they would have aged her up (which they didnāt since itās set in season 4) it would still be disgusting since she is canonically 14 years old.
I donāt know if I should put a trigger warning but I guess Iāll do so just in case. Trigger Warning: abuse
What is this? I hope this is supposed to be a joke. It isnāt a funny one but at least that would be better than as if they were serious. If not then I guess this guy is a valid reason to end a marriage.
This is one of the weirdest conversations Iāve ever had about a Miraculous theory.
(Purple is me)
I mean come onā¦ Lilaā¦ is Manon? That makes absolutely 0 sense.
Come one a deleted scene? Those scenes are deleted for a reasonā¦ They are not canon. Also Chris doesnāt even have a crush on Manon. Thatās something out of fanfictionā¦
Plus thereās the age gap. Well green did later on give the explanation that Lila is Manon from the future. So time travel but that still makes no sense and Iāll go into more detail about that later on.
There was a deleted comment in which green called me brainless simply because I didnāt believe that Lila was future Manon. The comment got deleted tho which is why itās not in this screenshot. It would have been between comment 2 and 3 of screenshot 3.
The photo green is referring to is this picture:
Lila/Cerise has a picture of Nadja Chamack on her investigation board in the Episode Collusion. Like how is that any proof? We know of Lila that she wants to be famous and we also know that Nadja Chamak is a famous reporter. So why would Nadja not somehow be involved in Lilaās plans to get what she wants?
And hereās green again insulting me. I think that must be the 3rd time green did that in this conversation.
Also my sleep deprived brain forgot that printed photos exist at the time I wrote that comment (the last one in screenshot 5). Thatās why I assumed green meant Lila had a phone of Nadja on her phone. But to be fair I did not expect for green to mean the photo on the investigation board. I mean if Lila was Manon and Nadja was her mother youād expect for Lila to have a framed picture or a picture in her phone. Something personalā¦ not something so impersonal as a picture on an investigation board.
Well I donāt really have anything to say about this screenshot. There I am back at it again with the phone thing. That was my mistake. Other than that it really felt like green was making stuff up. Turns out that at least the thing with the picture was realā¦ but still thatās hardly anything to prove this theory with.
Well nothing to say about that. I was just asking for more information. Tho still green keeps making it out like as if the picture of Nadja on Lila/Ceriseās investigation board had any importance. Like I can tell other more likely reasons on why it would be there. Like I said Lila wants fame. At least that seemed to be the case judging by her behavior. And well Nadja is a famous reporter in Paris. Getting famous would be so easy if Lila could somehow manage to get Nadja on her side (which would explain on why Nadjaās on that board).
This is the video green is talking about (I canāt link the video for some reason so hereās a screenshot):
Safe to say that even after watching this video the theory still makes no sense and the reason why is in my last comment.
I mean come on Lila/Cerise and Manon have different skin tones. You canāt change your skin color. Sure you can change your hair thanks to wigs, haircuts and hair dye and you can change eye color thanks to colored contact lenses but you canāt change your skin color. Manon has darker skin than Lila doesā¦
Plus here are some more explanation on why this theory doesnāt quite work out. I found these explanations in the comment section beneath Cartoon Worldz! video.
Sorry Iām not sure if that was clear but Iām not just backing my claim that Lila is not Manon up on Lilaās skin color and those other peopleās comments. Iāve given some other reasons in my last comment in screenshot 8. Like the thing with Bunnix or the fact that Chris doesnāt have a crush on Manon. The last comment was me kinda referring the video but not directly. I did leave a direct response to the video creator in the comment section tho but itās just mostly the same things as what Iāve also told green:
See mostly the same as what I wrote in screenshot 8 of the conversation Iāve had with blue and green.
This is one of the weirdest conversations Iāve ever had about a Miraculous theory.
(Purple is me)
I mean come onā¦ Lilaā¦ is Manon? That makes absolutely 0 sense.
Come one a deleted scene? Those scenes are deleted for a reasonā¦ They are not canon. Also Chris doesnāt even have a crush on Manon. Thatās something out of fanfictionā¦
Plus thereās the age gap. Well green did later on give the explanation that Lila is Manon from the future. So time travel but that still makes no sense and Iāll go into more detail about that later on.
There was a deleted comment in which green called me brainless simply because I didnāt believe that Lila was future Manon. The comment got deleted tho which is why itās not in this screenshot. It would have been between comment 2 and 3 of screenshot 3.
The photo green is referring to is this picture:
Lila/Cerise has a picture of Nadja Chamack on her investigation board in the Episode Collusion. Like how is that any proof? We know of Lila that she wants to be famous and we also know that Nadja Chamak is a famous reporter. So why would Nadja not somehow be involved in Lilaās plans to get what she wants?
And hereās green again insulting me. I think that must be the 3rd time green did that in this conversation.
Also my sleep deprived brain forgot that printed photos exist at the time I wrote that comment (the last one in screenshot 5). Thatās why I assumed green meant Lila had a phone of Nadja on her phone. But to be fair I did not expect for green to mean the photo on the investigation board. I mean if Lila was Manon and Nadja was her mother youād expect for Lila to have a framed picture or a picture in her phone. Something personalā¦ not something so impersonal as a picture on an investigation board.
Well I donāt really have anything to say about this screenshot. There I am back at it again with the phone thing. That was my mistake. Other than that it really felt like green was making stuff up. Turns out that at least the thing with the picture was realā¦ but still thatās hardly anything to prove this theory with.
Well nothing to say about that. I was just asking for more information. Tho still green keeps making it out like as if the picture of Nadja on Lila/Ceriseās investigation board had any importance. Like I can tell other more likely reasons on why it would be there. Like I said Lila wants fame. At least that seemed to be the case judging by her behavior. And well Nadja is a famous reporter in Paris. Getting famous would be so easy if Lila could somehow manage to get Nadja on her side (which would explain on why Nadjaās on that board).
This is the video green is talking about (I canāt link the video for some reason so hereās a screenshot):
Safe to say that even after watching this video the theory still makes no sense and the reason why is in my last comment.
I mean come on Lila/Cerise and Manon have different skin tones. You canāt change your skin color. Sure you can change your hair thanks to wigs, haircuts and hair dye and you can change eye color thanks to colored contact lenses but you canāt change your skin color. Manon has darker skin than Lila doesā¦
Plus here are some more explanation on why this theory doesnāt quite work out. I found these explanations in the comment section beneath Cartoon Worldz! video.
This is one of the weirdest conversations Iāve ever had about a Miraculous theory.
(Purple is me)
I mean come onā¦ Lilaā¦ is Manon? That makes absolutely 0 sense.
Come one a deleted scene? Those scenes are deleted for a reasonā¦ They are not canon. Also Chris doesnāt even have a crush on Manon. Thatās something out of fanfictionā¦
Plus thereās the age gap. Well green did later on give the explanation that Lila is Manon from the future. So time travel but that still makes no sense and Iāll go into more detail about that later on.
There was a deleted comment in which green called me brainless simply because I didnāt believe that Lila was future Manon. The comment got deleted tho which is why itās not in this screenshot. It would have been between comment 2 and 3 of screenshot 3.
The photo green is referring to is this picture:
Lila/Cerise has a picture of Nadja Chamack on her investigation board in the Episode Collusion. Like how is that any proof? We know of Lila that she wants to be famous and we also know that Nadja Chamak is a famous reporter. So why would Nadja not somehow be involved in Lilaās plans to get what she wants?
And hereās green again insulting me. I think that must be the 3rd time green did that in this conversation.
Also my sleep deprived brain forgot that printed photos exist at the time I wrote that comment (the last one in screenshot 5). Thatās why I assumed green meant Lila had a phone of Nadja on her phone. But to be fair I did not expect for green to mean the photo on the investigation board. I mean if Lila was Manon and Nadja was her mother youād expect for Lila to have a framed picture or a picture in her phone. Something personalā¦ not something so impersonal as a picture on an investigation board.
Well I donāt really have anything to say about this screenshot. There I am back at it again with the phone thing. That was my mistake. Other than that it really felt like green was making stuff up. Turns out that at least the thing with the picture was realā¦ but still thatās hardly anything to prove this theory with.
Well nothing to say about that. I was just asking for more information. Tho still green keeps making it out like as if the picture of Nadja on Lila/Ceriseās investigation board had any importance. Like I can tell other more likely reasons on why it would be there. Like I said Lila wants fame. At least that seemed to be the case judging by her behavior. And well Nadja is a famous reporter in Paris. Getting famous would be so easy if Lila could somehow manage to get Nadja on her side (which would explain on why Nadjaās on that board).
This is the video green is talking about (I canāt link the video for some reason so hereās a screenshot):
Safe to say that even after watching this video the theory still makes no sense and the reason why is in my last comment.
I mean come on Lila/Cerise and Manon have different skin tones. You canāt change your skin color. Sure you can change your hair thanks to wigs, haircuts and hair dye and you can change eye color thanks to colored contact lenses but you canāt change your skin color. Manon has darker skin than Lila doesā¦
adrien: if i so much as touch marinette with one inch of my body i will surely lose every one of my scooter ride privileges and never again be considered a gentleman look she's already so nervous it must be scary driving i must sit as properly as possible it's fine it's not so bad my arms are almost long enough to hang onto the sides of my seat like this
marinette: if we hit one bump in the road i'm going to faceplant into the basket and adrien is going to fly into the sun seriously he isn't even holding onto anything why isn't he holding onto anything does he have that much faith in my driving or does he not want to hold onto me oh god was that a bump in the road just now i'm focusing i'm focusing i'm focusi
