So what? Does that mean I still win on the "Satan turning Lisa into the scapegoat" front because nothing in the new chapter give me hope anymore.
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So what? Does that mean I still win on the "Satan turning Lisa into the scapegoat" front because nothing in the new chapter give me hope anymore.
Personally, Imuri cursing Lisa like this is distasteful. Yes yes Lisa killed Joshua and all but the fact that we don't get any of Imuri's internal distress or conflict about her remorse towards Lisa and their recently reconciled friendship is what make this disturbing. If this is intentional then fine, it's entirely in character for Imuri to focus solely on her idea of one and only love above all else, which is what she also does later the same chapter with the massacre, and like how she casually threw away her friendship with LeahBarb the moment their stances on Joshua stop aligning. Imuri has a tendency to make one thing her entire identity, a lot of her self-worth is tied to being the femme fatale so she needs to make something equally grand to eclipse it. Her dismissive attitude can be read as her totally immerse in her new role as Joshua's lover to ignore her surrounding and escape from her guilt (Imuri has quite the experiences in this field, meanwhile Joshua tried to make being Imuri's boyfriend his new identity to replace his church's personal attack dog status and faced heavy reality check). But if it's not then again, damn this arc's writing is really depending on how self-aware it is and how much all of this is intentional.
On that note Imuri with the wish for a love to change her entire being got it and remains relatively static, while Lisa who says what need to change is the world has changed her complete essence to the point of being reborn. Imuri's a demon after all, and the demon lords have demonstrated that demons are almost completely incapable of change. Even Belphegor who gets the closest to it shows that he's still a misogynist.
Atp I'm just saying whatever but both irl readers and in-universe characters wishing for Lisa to get her comeuppance could be the exact outcome Satan wants. He's staying idly in the background benefitting from the world's anger towards Lisa, because how couldn't they she plans to nuke the entire planet, she's radical and definitely unforgivable and deserves her downfall. Because the theme of Wrath arc is totally female rage and the big bad villain everyone should focus on is this woman who is dooming humanity with her actions. What Satan's resurrection again the utmost priority is stopping that witch. Lend Lisa a hand, let her take the main stage, reap the world's rising anger towards her, then have others remove her for him when she runs out of usefulness, classic things he's been doing since Eden with Eve and the apple.
That said I do think Lisa is fully aware that Satan's using her to farm wrath and purposefully weakening her so she'd be easier to remove afterward. Satan glazes Lisa so much I'm pretty much convincing myself to believe that she has something up her sleeves here. Please I've been buying her hype since ancient witch you can't “lol she's just overconfident typical demon contractor weakness” me Aruma.
Atp I'm just saying whatever but both irl readers and in-universe characters wishing for Lisa to get her comeuppance could be the exact outcome Satan wants. He's staying idly in the background benefitting from the world's anger towards Lisa, because how couldn't they she plans to nuke the entire planet, she's radical and definitely unforgivable and deserves her downfall. Because the theme of Wrath arc is totally female rage and the big bad villain everyone should focus on is this woman who is dooming humanity with her actions. What Satan's resurrection again the utmost priority is stopping that witch. Lend Lisa a hand, let her take the main stage, reap the world's rising anger towards her, then have others remove her for him when she runs out of usefulness, classic things he's been doing since Eden with Eve and the apple.
I also like the reading that the Baba Yaga is a kind of generational trauma that got passed down through various predecessors until Lisa tries to end it all with her... Would ekuoto attempt a metaphor like that? Probably not but it's still fun to think about.
I keep waiting for Ekuoto to acknowledge that structurally speaking Satan should be this arc’s final villain (since it’s been the demon lord who’s each arc’s main antagonist), but then I realized that he’s probably been feeding on the wrath of the apocalypse that, while now undone, will probably result in even more wrath. So like huh.
Interesting wording choices here. Belphegor's title is pretend "hero" (as in children playing make believe) while Vasilisa's is more, real. Hero/Heroine is often used for main characters, and typically anti hero/heroine just doesn't have conventional heroic qualities, they aren't villains or antagonists; though I don't know if it has different meanings in Japanese like how they also use "heroine" for the female love interests who are not always the female lead or not. Going by usual definition it's as if Vasilisa is really meant to be a protagonist (or at least someone to root for) and Belphegor is just acting like one.
What are your thoughts on the current mtefil arc? Personally my face throughout the entirety of it all is 😬
My themes and such are fighting with my dread. Literally. What will win depends on how the arc is resolved. With more chapter passing by the more intense the fight gets. There are lots of things I can still enjoy in theory and have fun rolling them around my head (I believe my posts are enough proof) but the execution makes me want to stab my heart gouge my eyes and run to the nearest cliff. Not because it's entirely bad but because it brings too many conflicting feelings. It runs in a constant loop of "the way this plotline is handled sucks -> oh it's addressing what makes it sucks -> wait no why are you doubling down on that -> huh so they are really going to acknowledge that? -> damn the writing here sucks" especially with the Imuri/Lisa/Joshua trio and JoshImuri romance, which, is the center of this arc.
Currently the dread is gaining the upper hand in making me doom messaging my friend before every chapter drop and by thinking just how atrocious so many takes on every sites outside my comfort zones are. I'm fighting it off with the "what positives can I take out of this" stick and "everything is planned" shield.
This chapter also makes it more clear that Lisa and Joshua reverse their supposed roles to the other, with Lisa as the second coming and Joshua as the fairytale princess. Almost feels satirical that they can only do this in a dream, like how during Sloth Imuri is the one on the journey to wake Joshua up but it also just inside the dream scape, in real life (Pride) it's Imuri the sleeping beauty again.
Now I wonder whether her giving Joshua the chance to just go and disinterest in killing him at first are her feeling some sort of empathy for him (since they're alike) or just Belphegor messing with her.
Pfff they really did die off-screen. But as expected it's Belphegor's dream. Not that I really like it, it actually would be good if there are more prominent consequences and that at least Lisa manages to leave permanent changes, but maybe it's for the end after Satan, everyone should be able to remember the apocalypse even if it's mostly a dream.
Also heyyy Mikhail now you are my last chance to know about the original Baba Yaga say something.
Nothing against the new art style but I really miss Fukayama's old one, female characters with long hair actually look like they have more than a few strands back then. Charlotte has it worst.
i'll be honest it gets kind of annoying when ppls immediate canned response to an m/f ship is "she deserves better" because over half the people who say that then proceed to hyperfocus on some yaoi with the man involved and never give the woman a second glance. forgive me but i think she deserves better than being girlbossed off screen and never mentioned again
My queen going out destroying everything I love her. Girl fucks over everyone chooses no side lets no man control her and is an enemy to all parties yeah she'd be a good role model for Imuri. Forever a fan of the artist's favorite way to portray menacing long-haired women.
And she does, indeed, go out destroying everything fuck over everyone. I don't know if she's a good role model for Imuri but she certainly is trying.
I was the original Baba Yaga's fan since the ancient witch story chapter and I will never know my fav's face because it's always omitted or her backstory from her perspective like what do you mean "the name was just for the sake of manifestation" if the Baba Yaga that Vasilisa met was the original then it's literally just her. The fairy tale is still real it's still what happened it just went on after the happy ever after. Why saying as if it's entirely fictional and separated from the real Baba Yaga. Why do you put it like this Verge.
So they just have matching covers. Same pose and Lisa's got her hair for wings the skulls for a circle and their clothes are also burning at the same spots.
So they just have matching covers. Same pose and Lisa's got her hair for wings the skulls for a circle and their clothes are also burning at the same spots.