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Heya! System here, we've made this blog mostly for lack of other resources, however if we find a better medium we'll likely move it there. The idea is we'll get a character that's system-coded to us (or ones sent to us hopefully one day!) and we'll say how good we think the representation is and add a number of tags so then IF people (or maybe just us in the future LMAO) want to look through for certain characters it'll be easier! Because of tumblr's poor tagging system we'll also indicate if something common is not present for example, Evil Alter Trope! Anyway list of tags for now and examples of what they do:

Canonically Plural, Actually Plural, Kind of Plural, Probably Not Plural, Not Plural

For example, Canonically Plural would be like the Mike System from total drama with canon "Multiple Personality Disorder", Actually Plural would be like Greedling who is like actually two people but isn't pural nessecarily, Kind Of Plural would be like ENA who is like dubious, Probably Not Plural would be like Dirk who as fragmented can be interpreted as plural but doesn't have distinct states, and Not Plural is for characters like Twice or Evil Xisuma who 100% aren't plural but who. give the vibes. make us feel seen.

Evil Alter: No, Evil Alter: Kind Of, Evil Alter: Yes, Evil Alter: Egregious

Whether or not the character fulfills the "Evil Alter" trope. Obvious except like egregious would be distinguished by mal whose just an evil alter but in a show where many characters are also just evil people vs like greed in greedling whose literally a deadly sin. like the being plural itself is evil.

Erase The System: No, Erase The System: Integrated, Erase The System: Kind of, Erase The System: Yes

Whether or not the system hood is removed by the end of the story.

System origins: Traumatic, System origins: Unspecified, System origins: Non-Traumatic, System origins: Possession, System Origins: Fusion

System origins. Where alters appear to originate. This may widely be speculation, so I'll append "implied" or "explicit" for that.

System structure: Parts Of Brain, System structure: Emotions, System structure: Personalities, System structure: Identities, System structure: People

System structure. This is to distinguish series by whether alters are different parts of a mind (e.g. left brain, right brain), different emotions, different personalities (they act different with no difference in preferences/identity), different identities (they act different and have an individual sense of identity), different people (they act differently, have separate memories and separate senses of identity).

One Dimensional Alters: No, One Dimensional Alters: Kind Of, One Dimensional Alters: Yes, One Dimensional Alters: Egregious

Whether or not alters are only defined by one trait/ dehumanised.

Internalised Abelism: None, Internalised Abelism: Somewhat, Internalised Abelism: Yes

Whether or not the system/alters express internalised abelism about their systemhood.

Ableism Rating: Great, Ableism Rating: Good, Ableism Rating: Okay, Ableism Rating: Bad, Ableism Rating: Egregious

How good i think the rep is. This mostly only applies for characters that are rated above Kind Of Plural because you can't really rate how well evil xisuma represents DID.

Enjoyable: Yes, Enjoyable: Kind of, Enjoyable: No

Whether or not we enjoyed the character, regardless of how good the representation was. To Do: - Omori - "Genocide Jack" (what???) - that one dangenrompa bear - Bipper (maybe) - Evil Xisuma (Maybe) - Parasyte - That one chipmunk - Good cop Bad cop - That one plural AA character - .... split........ - Malevolent - The Thinktank

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Glad you're back doing this! We found this recently and were disappointed it hadn't updated in a while

And while we're at it- you have Malevolent on your list, which has always been pretty plural coded, but the most recent episode is wven more overtly plural than ever before, including critical discussions about final fusion! So i highly recommend you check it out soon

Oh, awesome! I have gotten into Malevolent recently (up to part 39) I just have to take it slowly due to dissociation (plus it's pretty long). But I'm in the process of finishing it and I have a draft!

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Probably going to redo the sorting system on this blog (again). Among other reasons my gripes with it have been keeping me from posting here.

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Deltarune: Kris and the Soul

rating: 2/4

DISCLAIMER: This story is not yet finished so this is based on what we know up to chapter 2.

Why they're a system: While it's shown very little in this point in the story, there will be occasions in which the player will loose control of their player character, "Kris" when they remove their "Soul". During this Kris acts radically differently then when the player is in control. Similarly, when picking various options it's shown that Kris does not strictly follow the commands that the player picks, showing an individual personality. Actually Plural Evil Alter: Yes Erase The System: No One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: Ambiguous Ableism Rating: Bad Enjoyable: No Rating explanations under cut

Kris Deltarune is Actually Plural because it appears to be two distinct characters inhabiting one body, however it's not canonical plurality and it seems to be done through magical means. While I doubt (because of the heavy character focus in Toby Fox's writing) it will stand, as the story currently is Kris while soulless has only done pretty evil actions, like slashing their mothers tires, and glaring at the camera with a evil red eye. Stereotypical evil stuff. The System is Not Erased at this point in the story, however because of the conflict caused by the cohabitation and the lack of communication and either practically non-existent or demonization in their opinions of each other, the story lends itself to erasure by it's end. The Alters are Not One Dimensional, as even with limited display of the characters individuality in the story, they're not treated as components of a whole and Kris while Soulless is humanized via their choice, in the seemingly limited time they can be in control for, to eat a pie as opposed to furthering any schemes (as it may be if they were an Evil Alter). It is difficult to gleam whether or not the characters experience internalized ableism because of their limited screen time, however it should be noted their seeming distaste with their cohabitation. The Ableism rating is Bad, as when interpreting this story as plural it involves a soul possessing the body of someone evil, with no displays of communication or even the characters inner feelings on this possession. I Did Not Find this story enjoyable with a plural interpretation, mostly because the lack of screen time to this plot and the fact as a plural interpretation it is pretty much only poor tropes. Also, there is limited fan support for this interpretation.

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A lot of this is flat out incorrect though.

First of all, the soul is us. The Player. A foreign entity possessing Kris's body. The only times Kris's alters do anything explicitly evil is when the Player decides to do something evil (IE. Snowgrave). The end of the first chapter is a comedic bait and switch about them raiding the fridge for pie and the reasons behind the ending of the second chapter haven't been revealed yet. This strikes me as very surface level reading leaning heavily on the "Kris is evil" creepypasta nonsense.

You can probably check off the Evil Alters mark just for the fact that Snowgrave as a route exists (though that is completely optional and is something the game actively advises against) but you can't for anything Kris has done yet. Especially because we don't know much about them without the Player's influence beyond what other characters in game have implied.

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While Krises actions aren't actually evil that bait-and-switch relies upon the trope of another evil entity becoming apparent within someone, and while I believe in later chapters it will be revealed that they're just a normal guy so far every interaction we've had with them has been comically, stereotypical (if ironically) evil. Their eyes glint red and they use a knife, even thought their actions aren't actually evil, there was still a switch in identity, then a character who only looks evil and shows up in the dead of night, appears. Hence the marking.

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House MD Season 8 Episode 7: Dead & Buried

Rating: 3.5/4

Why they're plural: This character explicitly has Dissociative Identity Disorder. Alters are treated as separate, and their difference in physiological and psychological reactions is a component of the episode. Canonically Plural Evil Alter: Kind Of Erase The System: No System origins: Traumatic System structure: People One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: Yes Ableism Rating: Great Enjoyable: Yes

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Hey, have you forgot something?

I don't know what you mean by this please be explicit.

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These aren't in your posts

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Oh yeah I haven't updated them yet

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Hey, have you forgot something?

I don't know what you mean by this please be explicit.

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Click: Adam Sandler

Rating: I'm so Sorry

Why this is plural: He uses a remote that makes him go on "Autopilot" for long periods of time, which later comes to activate automatically after certain "triggers". People describe him in a "Zombie-Like" state, a state that has it's own memories that it references but he can't remember. This sucks.

Kind Of Plural Evil Alter: No Erase The System: Yeah, I guess. One Dimensional Alters: Kind Of Internalized Ableism: Yes Ableism Rating: Egregious Enjoyable: NO.

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My Hero Academia: Twice

Rating: 3.5/4

Why he's plural: Twice within My Hero Academia has the power to make duplicates of himself, however, he is not in control of these duplicates and they can choose what to do of their own merit. The narrative involves them coming to peace with each other and learning how to work together. Not Plural Evil Alter: Kind Of Erase The System: No One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: Yes Ableism Rating: Good Enjoyable: Kind Of Explanations of ratings under cut.

Because they have arguably not divergent personalities and identities and are physically in different bodies, Twice is Not Plural despite having relatable plural narratives. Twice Kind Of has Evil Alters because when there is conflict amongst alters, the reasoning and complexity of the duplicates is not focused on, rather it's mainly about it's effect on Twice himself. However even if they're not sympathetic they're not really EVIL. By the end of the story, Twice's system-adjacent status is Not Erased. The duplicates are Not One Dimensional as they are duplicates of Twice and therefore as just as fully rounded as he is. Internalized Ableism is Expressed via Twice assuming his role as the "Original" and treating his clones as lesser than him, however, by the end of the narrative this is resolved as they learn to work together and be equal. The Ableism Rating is Good, as his relationship with his duplicates is mended instead of their erasure, and while the character itself is explicitly a villain, he is arguably the kindest and least evil of the villain characters. Frankly he is not very villainous. I found it Kind Of Enjoyable. While it was a relatable system narrative, it is still a rather generic narrative and more could have been explored with the character. Although I do acknowledge this is pretty good for MHA.

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Deltarune: Kris and the Soul

rating: 2/4

DISCLAIMER: This story is not yet finished so this is based on what we know up to chapter 2.

Why they're a system: While it's shown very little in this point in the story, there will be occasions in which the player will loose control of their player character, "Kris" when they remove their "Soul". During this Kris acts radically differently then when the player is in control. Similarly, when picking various options it's shown that Kris does not strictly follow the commands that the player picks, showing an individual personality. Actually Plural Evil Alter: Yes Erase The System: No One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: Ambiguous Ableism Rating: Bad Enjoyable: No Rating explanations under cut

Kris Deltarune is Actually Plural because it appears to be two distinct characters inhabiting one body, however it's not canonical plurality and it seems to be done through magical means. While I doubt (because of the heavy character focus in Toby Fox's writing) it will stand, as the story currently is Kris while soulless has only done pretty evil actions, like slashing their mothers tires, and glaring at the camera with a evil red eye. Stereotypical evil stuff. The System is Not Erased at this point in the story, however because of the conflict caused by the cohabitation and the lack of communication and either practically non-existent or demonization in their opinions of each other, the story lends itself to erasure by it's end. The Alters are Not One Dimensional, as even with limited display of the characters individuality in the story, they're not treated as components of a whole and Kris while Soulless is humanized via their choice, in the seemingly limited time they can be in control for, to eat a pie as opposed to furthering any schemes (as it may be if they were an Evil Alter). It is difficult to gleam whether or not the characters experience internalized ableism because of their limited screen time, however it should be noted their seeming distaste with their cohabitation. The Ableism rating is Bad, as when interpreting this story as plural it involves a soul possessing the body of someone evil, with no displays of communication or even the characters inner feelings on this possession. I Did Not Find this story enjoyable with a plural interpretation, mostly because the lack of screen time to this plot and the fact as a plural interpretation it is pretty much only poor tropes. Also, there is limited fan support for this interpretation.

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Chonny's Charming Chaos Compendium: Heart, Mind and Soul

Rating: N/A, This is presumably written as a representation of the writers internal feelings, so labeling it as "Abelist" or "Poor Representation" seems in poor taste.

Why they're plural: Within CCCC, it presents a narrative with three labelled characters, "Heart", "Mind" and "Soul", who are presented with the same body and sung by the same person, while also expressing an internal fight for power between these three. The writing within these songs is dense and has heavy themes of mental illness, easily allowing for interpretations of Plurality and reading into these three. Kind Of Plural Evil Alter: No Erase The System: Ambiguous One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: No Ableism Rating: N/A Enjoyable: Yes

This is all highly ambiguous and comes with the clause that because this series could be someone speaking about their own experiences and their own mental illness, interpretations as a system must be divorced from this heavily to work, and therefore it's difficult to label anything in the songs themselves. It is Kind Of Plural because the narrative being presented seems to be of different fragments of a person, even if they do seemingly have expressed relationships with each other and personality. There are No Evil Alters because this series of songs seems to be a representation of the songwriters own mind, ergo labeling anything as evil would be wrong. Also, any characterization you could think of the "Heart", "Mind" and "Soul" would be morally grey. Any erasure of the "System" is ambiguous, as while it appears at some points the writer implies they coalesce into one solid consciousness, or the voices of the "Heart" and "Mind" fade away, this is often followed up by the reiteration of their eventual return and the fact everything is a cycle. There are no "One Dimensional Alters" for the same reason there are no "Evil Alters"; because this seems to be a songwriter writing about their own mental illness and it's connection to real life means that they cannot be one dimensional. There is no explicit Internalized Ableism. This is not judged on how Abelist because. Real person probably. A real person cannot be abelist representation. And because the difference between characters and writer is ambiguous, this does not apply. As plural people, this work is highly enjoyable and relatable.

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Sanders Sides

Rating: 4/4

Why this character is plural: While Thomas Sanders has explicitly stated that Sanders Sides is not meant to be a representation of DID, the plot of Sanders Sides involves each part of (the character) Thomas Sanders personality being personified and arguing with each other over what Thomas should do in various situations, often leading to conclusions about healthy coping strategies for things like anxiety and intrusive thoughts. As well as this, the sides will often have interpersonal drama that solidifies their presence as characters rather than simple representations of Thomas's personality. Kind Of Plural Evil Alter: No Erase The System: No One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: Somewhat Ableism Rating: Good

Sanders Sides is Kind Of Plural because they have been explicitly stated not to be a representation of DID and rather different parts of Thomas's personality, but they are often relatable to systems. For the "Evil Alter" trope, I believe while the Dark Sides would traditionally be considered as part of this trope, it is subverted via the reveal that the alters are not actually evil people, rather, they are simply coping mechanisms within Thomas he doesn't want to confront. They are explicitly not actually evil and rather just socially unacceptable/taboo coping mechanisms. They do not Erase The System, and I don't see how they could as these are fragments of Thomas's personality attempting to get along. I think it would be counterintuitive to the messages of Sanders Sides to make them singular. While often I would label characters such as these as One Dimensional alters as they're explicitly only part of Thomas's personality, they are also STRONGLY depicted with individuals with their own tastes, personalities, dynamics ECT. If you are choosing to interpret this work as plural, the former is easily subverted by the latter. Because the series revolves around finding healthy coping strategies and dealing with mental illness, Thomas often expresses sentiments that Are Internally Ableist, few of these are ableism like the desire to get rid of alters, or wanting to be singular. The only component of DID-adjacent internalized ableism I can recall is his desire to get rid of his "Dark Sides", which is explicitly framed as an unhealthy mindset in the narrative. The Ableism rating, as expected from a series surrounding healthy coping strategies, is Good within Sanders Sides. The only reason they're not given the highest rating is because they're not a system ergo there's inherent flaws like the fact they're treated as multiple facets of the same personality.

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ENA from ENA

rating: 2/4

Why they're plural: ENA switches faces regularly, each face speaks with a different emotion and responds differently to the events preceding in the videos. Most frequently depicted is the duality between the blue "sad" side of her face and the yellow upbeat side. Kind of Plural Evil Alter: Kind Of Erase The System: No One Dimensional Alters: Yes Internalized Ableism: No Ableism Rating: Okay Enjoyable: Kind Of Explanation for these ratings under cut.

Keep in mind this critique is only in the context of reading ENA as a system, and because ENA isn't likely meant to be a representation of plural people it's not genuine criticism of the work. Ena is rated "Kind Of Plural" because while obviously they switch between distinct "Personalities", these are more of a mix of a change in emotional state rather than strictly different identities. Similarly, the series does not have a focus on identity and characterization so it's difficult to argue either way whether or not she actually is Plural. The Rating "Evil Alter: Kind Of" is for similar reasoning as while I cannot recall an "Evil Alter", the simplicity in the states of ENA and their characterization lends itself to this trope, and it could easily be argued later on or by viewers that any of the alters are the "Evil Alter". Within ENA, they do not erase ENA's alternate states, ergo The System Is Not Erased. ENA very distinctly has One Dimensional Alters, as they each seem to be moreso representative of emotional states. Because of the aforementioned lack of characterization, there is Not Internalized Ableism present in ENA. When interpreting ENA as a system, the Ableism Rating is Okay because of the aforementioned "Alters as different emotional states". I found ENA kind of enjoyable through a system interpretation. A generic presentation but it's an overall fun series.

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Homestuck: Dirk Strider (And Splinters)

Rating: N/A (Not enough of a system)

Why is this character plural: Dirk within the story has the ability to fragment souls, this most often occurs with his own from which he creates "Splinters"; different fully fledged characters that are fragments of his soul (and often have his memories, or he has a complex relationship with, ect.)

Probably Not Plural Evil Alter: No Erase The System: Kind Of Internalized Ableism: No Enjoyable: Yes Explanations of ratings under cut.

Dirk is Probably Not Plural because all of the Dirk splinters inhabit different bodies, and while their dynamics may be relatable to systems, inhabiting different bodies leaves out important features of the system depiction. Dirk has no Evil Alters as all of his splinters who are evil are not presented as facets of his identity, moreso morally poor characters in their own right separate from being related to dirk or begin a splinter. They Kind Of Erase The System via killing of the majority of splinters by the end of the story or removing the dynamics that may have made them familiar to systems. Dirk does not express a narrative of Internalized Ableism towards splinters. While he does express insecurity in the fact many of them are bad people, this is more framed because of their genetic connection rather than their splinterhood. I did find the interpretation of Dirk as a system enjoyable, as there's lots of support in fan content for it's interpretation, even if the original writer did not handle it as I liked.

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Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood: Greedling

Rating: 2.5/4

Why is this character plural: Characters in this show are able to absorb demon-adjacent characters, often erasing their original identity without significant willpower, however, without absorption this leads to them sharing a body. Within the show it is legitimately Greed and Ling living within the same body, switching out and fighting for control.

Actually Plural Evil Alter: Kind Of Erase The System: Yes One Dimensional Alters: No Internalized Ableism: None Ableism Rating: Good Enjoyable: Kind of

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Slay The Princess: Voices

rating: 2.5/4

Why this character is plural: The Voices are characters that guide the player and appear after resets, which often end traumatically, informing their personality and attempting to guide the player based on these traumas. They constantly argue and comment on where the player should go and what's happening, appearing as dialogue to the player other characters can't hear or see.

Kind Of Plural Evil Alter: No Erase The System: Kind of One Dimensional Alters: Yes Internalised Abelism: None Abelism Rating: Good Enjoyable: Yes

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Total Drama Revenge of the Island: Mike/Mike System

One of the only ACTUAL systems we've seen! Classic system, it's okay. Obviously it's "Multiple Personality Disorder" and the resolution is "MIke Takes Control Of His Head!!!" but. It was Okay. No evil alter yet nor erasing the system. Yet.

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Total Drama All Stars: Mike/Mike System

Rating: 0.5/4

Why they're plural: Same as before, however within this show Mal, an alter from Juvie, comes out of dormancy after the system is hit in the head (what could be interpreted as a traumatic event). Canonically Plural Evil Alter: Yes Erase The System: Yes One Dimensional Alters: Kind Of Internalised Abelism: Somewhat Ableism Rating: Bad Enjoyable: Yes