#15.17

[mpreglukeskywalker]

they would make a great married couple

[normalbrothershow]

[lower-the-volume]

15.17 Unity

[aliusfrater]

i just rewatched thee unity scene; the foiling between scene of sam and dean + amara and chuck is so underrated. chuck actively manipulating amara while dean is threating and verbally abusing sam then amara imparting all she knows (the lie) about dean's plan to chuck while sam attempts to get dean to hear him out re: what he just learned about billy's plan

[katsidhe]

I mean I very much do understand the interpretation that Sam’s parenting would have serious flaws. I can understand why Sam’s John apologism and Dean apologism and his general inability to stand up for Jack make his suitability as a parent questionable.

But also, answering that question is a pretty key thematic thing that the end of s15 is trying to accomplish? And I don’t just mean that in 15.20, which is not the end of Sam’s arc so much as it is the epilogue. The climax is in 15.17, wherein Sam stands up to Dean for Jack, in exactly the way that he failed to do in 14.20. That’s our thematic answer, that’s Sam learning from his mistakes, that’s Sam choosing a better way.

And yes I get that there’s all the heavy baggage Sam’s carrying under it all, one moment does not a perfect father make, but I think it’s pretty fair to say that “Sam choosing to save Jack in defiance of Dean —> Sam chooses to raise his son outside of hunting” is a pretty decisive through-line, as parental themes go.

[gothicrepetitions]

Amara saying ‘But… but Dean can’t hurt me…’ vs Sam asking ‘What about me? Would you trade me?’

[scoobydoodean]

How much do you think Chuck has lied? Do you believe him when he says only one Castiel in all the universes rebelled against him

CHUCK: We came to an understanding, so spare me your contempt, Castiel, the self-hating angel of Thursday. You know what every other version of you did after "gripping him tight and raising him from perdition?" They did what they were told. But not you. Not the "one off the line with a crack in his chassis." All of you. You know, I tried and I tried and I tried, but you're all just too stupid, too stubborn. Too broken. You know what? I'm over it. I'm over you.

15.17

I guess I don’t see any reason he would lie at this specific juncture. He also does seem to have a specific obsession with the main universe and the Team Free Will that exists there. I personally think that’s down to their expertise at leaping out of the flow of his writing.

[onespncap]

s15e17 -- "Unity"