#anti steggy

[imposterogers]

btw in a sane world where endgame wasn’t literal trash MCU peggy carter would never be compatible with steve rogers longterm because her morals are too fucked up. she and howard recruited hundreds of hydra (aka nzi) scientists to work for the organization they named in steve’s honor including the one that tortured steve’s best friend. but #girlboss I guess

[rillils]

I don't usually delve into this stuff, but please, please forgive me just this once.

If I could, I would love to show everyone at marvel this:

Steve Rogers, moments after being shot at, point blank, in a room full of people, out of fucking nowhere, by the supposed ✨️LoVe oF HiS LiFe✨️.

Ah, but she must have been under mind control, right? Brainwashed, maybe. Tortured past the point of insanity. Coerced into this. Amnesiac, even, to the point where she didn't even recognize him, wasn't aware of what she was doing or whom she was doing it to. Otherwise, she never would have done something like that. Right???

WRONG. She did that all of her own volition. Spontaneously. On a fucking whim. Because she was feeling petty. Truly, such a beautiful, heartwarming moment for them <3

Aww, doesn't he look SO in love????

[lavender-luminarie]

marvel gave steve like twenty different situationships and yet they sent him back in time to his unofficial ex who had moved on and married 💔

[nrilliree]

On the occasion of Valentine's Day, I would like to remind that I feel it now and I will feel it forever <3

AND

[meraki-yao]

I'm not gonna watch it, but if in Doomsday the Steggy child is named James in "honor" of Bucky, I'm gonna fucking lose it.

James Barnes is not dead. He is alive, enduring a fate worse than death, being systematically and routinely tortured, brainwashed, (mind) r*ped and dehumanised, hands full of the blood of dead men. He does not need "honoring", he needs saving, he needs awakening, he needs healing.

What the fuck are you doing, giving your son his name? Is that all he's worth? The boy who stood up and befriended you when no one else would, the friend who followed you into the jaws of death, the only Howling Commando you couldn't protect, all he's worth is his name attached to your son who will eventually become his own person, long removed from who Bucky is? Why are you keeping a constant reminder of the person you are actively failing by playing fucking house?

I hate everything about this already, but I'm gonna fucking throw up if this happens, which I already know if very likely because what else would he be named. And if they make Bucky act touched at this bare minimum sign of "respect" when in truth his "best friend" left him in the wolf den to play house, I'm gonna punch someone.

[vvitcheswidow]

one of the mcu’s greatest sins is making STEVE ROGERS not really give a shit about sharon carter & ABANDONING her. HELLO?! in no UNIVERSE would that happen. i’m gonna have a conniption!

[eddiesheep]

I love the theory that the elderly Steve at the end of Endgame was a skrull. Why? Because it would literally fix EVERITHING revolving Steve's ending, as well as major plot inconsistencies.

⤷ How come Steve was able to just... wait out at the same park that his past-self left for the past when it was clearly established that when you go back in time to change something, a new branch is created in the timeline, creating a completely new reality, therefore it would be impossible for old Steve to just wait at the same park to meet up with Sam and bucky? (it was literally the explanation they gave as to why they couldn't just go back in time and kill baby-Thanos lmao)

Because that wasn't the real Steve Rogers, it was a skrull pretending to be him.

⤷ Why would Steve ever want to go back to the past to live the rest of his life with a woman he barely knew when it was already established by Steve him-fucking-self that he was ready to move on?

Because he wouldn't. That wasn't the real Steve Rogers, it was a skrull pretending to be him!

⤷ How could Steve ever be capable of living his cute little domestic life, when logically, the past version of Bucky would still be out there at the same time as him? Being abused, brainwashed and tortured into becoming a cold-killing machine for HYDRA??

Because he couldn't. That wasn't the real Steve Rogers!

⤷ In what world would Steve ever be physically capable of, not only forgiving, but also living the rest of his life with Peggy Carter?? Peggy-fucking-Carter??? You know, the woman who knowingly hired and worked with NAZIS??

None! That wasn't the real Steve Rogers!

⤷ How come Steve would ever have the balls to leave Bucky- no! Not just any Bucky- THE James Buchanan Barnes, to fed for himself in a whole new world he has not yet had time to understand as well as Steve did, when he PROMISED him that it would always be them against the world? Till' the end of the fucking line?

Because he would never! That wasn't the real Steve Rogers!

See what I mean? That could transition into to such an interesting conflict too! Maybe (to tie in with a better version of Secret Invasion idk) it was part of the skrulls' plot! To take Captain America off the picture, and manipulate others into believing that Steve just left them out of his own volition, as a way to discourage anyone from looking for him. To make taking over the earth easier!

UGH! The concept of skrulls has got to be one of the most interesting, most scary concepts the MCU has ever introduced, losing only to The Red Room.

And yet, just like The Red Room, the MCU fucked it all up. I hate it.

[mentalmeles]

Just watched a video essay about Steve and they finished by trying to justify his ending 😐

Their argument was that since the war the avengers were fighting (Thanos) was gone, Steve didn't have to keep fighting anymore. Tell me you don't understand Steve without telling me you don't understand Steve.

I do like the idea of his ending involving the idea of not needing to fight anymore, but in the sense that he doesn't need keep physically fighting. Him realising that there's other ways to save the world that don't involve him getting hurt (this is a good conflict that could happen between him and Bucky post cacw). Not him deciding that he doesn't give a shit about anyone else and just does something to make him happy. Not that his ending would actually make the real Steve happy. It's really fun being a fan of a character that a lot of people don't get.

Anyway I'm gonna go read some stucky fics to feel better.

AGHH I hate that! I hate when you stumble upon what seems to be a good essay for the character you love, only for it to crash and burn in the end and get that character completely wrong.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, Steve Rogers is not a fighter. He is a defender. He defends the weak and helpless, the little guys all over the world. He stands for justice and doing what's right. He gives people hope. If there are still people in need of him, in any way shape or form, he is going to keep protecting and fighting for them. Put Steve Rogers in a world where millions of people that have been dead for 5 years suddenly return?? Where all those people have to grapple with their deaths, their resurrections, and the repercussions that came with it?? Where there are countless people that are still dead and will remain dead due to those millions of people being killed in the first place (newborns, elderly, and disabled that were suddenly without their parents and caregivers, passengers on planes/in cars that suddenly had no pilots/drivers, etc)?? (Thanks for that, Tony!!!) Steve would help repair the damages in any way he could.

Is he selfless to a fault? Could he stand to be more selfish? Yeah, I would say so. But that doesn't mean he would just abandon his friends and his team to go back to the past. Even if he was in love with Peggy (which I heavily doubt he would be, but that's another topic for another post), he still would never do it.

"In order to grow, you must let go of the past." -Sarah Rogers (Captain America (Vol. 7) #11)

"It's tempting to want to live in the past. It's familiar, it's comfortable. But it's where fossils come from." -Steve Rogers (Captain America: Man Out of Time (Vol. 1) #5)

Steve Rogers' whole character is about moving forward, despite his grief and the isolation he must feel. His story is about moving forward and forming new reasons to live, even if it's hard. It's about finding a new beginning for yourself in the face of an unfamiliar and unforgiving world. Steve found just that via the Avengers and, even more fittingly, Team Cap. Sam and Natasha were his best friends. Clint, Scott, and T'Challa were trusted allies. Wanda was his budding protege (maybe even his little sister figure) and someone he was fiercely protective of. And Bucky? Bucky was his soulmate. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Whether you viewed their relationship as strictly platonic or romantic, Bucky was without a doubt the one Steve would burn the world for. He was Steve's sole connection to his past and the vital part to a life in the future.

And you're telling me that Steve would leave Sam the shield without any guidance, during a time that is extremely chaotic? That he would throw Natasha's sacrifice away like trash? That he would leave Clint and Wanda, who were both grieving over the people they couldn't get back despite everything? That he would abandon Bucky--the one he fought against Thanos for in the first place--in a world still unfamiliar to him after he just got him back? That he would do all of that for a woman he already canonically moved on from? A woman who lived her own life and had a family of her own?? A woman who literally told Steve herself that the best thing for him was to start over and move on??? You're telling me Steve would just...rip away her agency, go against her wishes, and claim her like a prize to be won, simply because his fight was over and he deserved it???

You're telling me that Steve Rogers would stay in that past--a past that includes segregation, racism, and gender inequality--with the knowledge that his best friend since childhood is actively being kept as a prisoner of war and is being horrifically tortured and that Hydra is alive and well and preparing to infest the country....and he would do nothing about any of that???

No. That's fucking bullshit. And it always will be bullshit, because that goes against everything Steve Rogers is.

I've seen this be said before and I think it was very fitting, so I shall repeat it to the best of my memory now;

Steve Rogers would sooner choose the picket line over a picket fence.