#beta earth

[sinclairmaxwellao3]

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Epilogue!

[homestuckexamination]

If there's one thing I'm concerned about, it's what happened to the other Sburb sessions in the Beta (and possibly Alpha, if people managed to enter their mediums before the Condesce came) universe. Are they all just forever stuck in their Null and Void sessions, unable to leave? That's... sorta sad.

In the Alpha, the code was taken from the Crockercorp servers themselves so it was likely never released. In the Beta, there's no reason why any of those Sessions HAVE to be bad! Most Sessions ARE Null because SBURB hard and unforgiving and arbitrary, but some could win. I mean, Fedorafreak even ascended to God Tier.

[utopianparadoxist]

In your Gamzee part 1 video you mention that Lord English is a physical entity on Alternia that the Highbloods worship. But I thought LE didn't actually manifest there, and only worked through his agents (Scratch/Handmaid/etc). Was LE actually there, or did I misunderstand what you meant there?

Nope, he’s literally already there. Here’s the breakdown of LE’s influences per universe, NOT counting cross-universe influence situations like Gamzee making the Jack Noir/Lil Cal dolls in John and Dave’s heads, because seriously we could be here all week.

Pre-Sburb :

Beta Earth | Setting of Hiveswap [B1]: No Lord English. Lil Cal and the Batterwitch are both present. The Batterwitch MAY have started a small Mirthful Messiah cult, which might be operating in Joey’s hometown.

Alpha Earth [B2]:No Lord English. Society is run into the ground and reduced to a nightmare waterworld dystopia by the Batterwitch, acting as a Witch on LE’s behalf. She employs a massive Mirthful Messiah cult that takes over the U.S. Government in this endeavor*.

Caliborn is present, but ignorant of his future as LE. AR acts for himself, not LE, but echoes many of Scratch’s traits and so evokes a weaker version of the controlling horror of LE. This is intentional, as AR’s cyber-omniscience is part of what makes LE/Scratch’s control so terrifyingly efficient.

*(Sorry 2 Guy Fieri and Juggalos, who get it rough from Homestuck, to put it mildly. Please remember that Homestuck is a work of fiction just poking fun at some random people, ok? Thanks. Also, to be fair, mind control is kind of a thing with the Batterwitch, so she might just be mindcontrolling them all during that whole thing.)

Beforus [A1]:No Lord English. Presumably no Lil Cal? Kurloz Makara acts for Lord English. Meulin Leijon is mind controlled or manipulated by Kurloz into acting for Lord English.

It’s noted that while Beforus was matriarchal, most of its actual power of governance was held by Purplebloods and Violetbloods–male dominated castes that collectively embody different versions of LE’s patriarchal dominance.

The Purplebloods in particular are probably Mirthful Messiah cultists, if Kurloz is anything to go by, but we don’t know for sure.

Alternia [A2]:

Doc Scratch acts for LE, manipulating trolls into being as cruel and vicious to each other as possible. At the end of the universe, Doc Scratch dies and his corpse hatches, giving birth to LE. LE can time travel, so having arrived at the end of the universe, he can now access any point in its timeline to consume or destroy whatever he chooses.

This was Scratch’s objective from the beginning, and had always already happened. LE takes custody of Damara, who becomes the Handmaid–LE’s loyal Time Witch, acting as a feared Demoness who stokes hostility and chaos wherever she appears.

With the exception of directing Damara, Scratch and LE rarely seem to directly involve themselves in the affairs of Trollkind.  The three main groups of trolls they delegate governance to are:

The Empress, who he manipulates while keeping his and LE’s existence hidden.

The Violetbloods, who seem to be manipulated similarly.

The Purple Bloods, who worship Lord English and prophecize about the coming of his Vast Honk. Their intense commitment to this truth motivates their brutal subjugation of lowbloods.

This is not a simple belief, but a fact they are right to see coming. LE releases the Vast Honk as soon as he enters the universe, thus proving them right all along. Hence, the Vast Honk can be understood as “inviting destruction through Rage|Truth.”–the verbiage associated with Gamzee’s title, Bard of Rage. 

This more direct presence/involvement is the direct reason why Alternia is so much worse than the other universes, and a big part of why the Beta Trolls are so much crueler to each other than the Kids are.

[sinclairmaxwellao3]

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[homestuckexamination]

When the ancestors were alive in which period the Earth was??

The Earth and Alternia exist in two different Universes. They’re not Chronologically locked or related in any way!

[homestuckexamination]

So the condesce was in johns world as very Crocker, filling gushers with troll blood, then somehow got to Roxy' s world? Via cherub portal?

We don’t know how she went from Alternia to Earth and from Earth to the Post-Scratch version, Cherub Portal may be an answer but there could also be something with LE’s powers, we may see in Hauntswitch/Hiveswap!

[homestuckexamination]

@previous anon, I'm pretty sure you can travel from one universe to the next if you just don't look to hard at it; Like the Condy arriving at earth did so without cherub portals, last I checked.

That’s where you’re wrong anon! Condy’s arrival to Earth is another mystery I feel Hiveswap is going to answer, and may actually very well use the Cherub Portal!

[homestuckexamination]

Im slightly confused about something (mostly because of liveblogs of homestuck), but was condy 'betty crocker' in the beta timeline or is that only in the alpha timeline?

She was, Nanna implies as such- But we don’t know how she made the jump from the Pre to the Post-Scratch Earth.