#borodred

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Very soulmate coded for Boromir and Theodred to die a day apart... like they were not meant to walk the mortal realm without each other or something.

[lesbiansforboromir]

How do you think Boromir would aknowledge his eldest daughter syndrome? If even? I see in Boromir a lots of behaviour of a person who takes responsibility over other people, after the war that type of behaviour would be considered unecessery since everyone has, more or less, more liberty to roam and take responisibility over themselves. Do you think Faramir would get annoyed for being fret over by Boromir who all his life HAD to worry about other people? How do you think Boromir would adress his, not only war trauma and huge ammount of PTDS, but also his unhealthy attachments patterns, generational trauma (and being like literally groomed to die on the battle feild) and his, like I said, eldest daughter syndrome. Boromir's identity is made around his need to protect his brother and his people and what would happen if those people dont need protection anymore? Would he allow himself to have an identity crisis? I'm veeeeeery fascinated with all works under Boromir Lives AU since the character has huge ammount of trauma that NEEDS to be addressed if he wants to function in the post war world and im curious how people try to make the character adress that

In essence I agree with most of this reading, though just as a few points of order before I get started;

I dont think Boromir was 'groomed to die', or at least I dont think that description effectively describes Boromir's relationship with warring and his own impending death. I actually think Denethor and Finduilas raised Boromir for joy and life as all good parents wish to do. Boromir was meant to become the Steward in his parent's eyes. But I also think that Boromir himself, even very young, was somewhat spiritually and intimately aware that that was just not what his future would look like. And I think that was something that became contentious between him and his father. I think for Boromir, who essentially raised himself to die young, it was painful to bear Denethor's love and hope for him when he knew, somehow, that he would not live up to Denethor's wishes.

In terms of Boromir's protectiveness over Faramir, I think that relationship between them was already over long before Boromir's death. As children, Boromir was Faramir's 'protector' yes, he felt it was his place to put his body in between Gondor and danger and that naturally meant double for his little brother. But I also think Faramir was never reserved or meek enough for that to not get on his nerves pretty quickly. In fact I think to a certain extent Faramir shared Denethor's fears and frustrations with his brother's 'place in the world'. He also instinctively knew this is what Boromir was made for and he hated that. He also hated the position of 'protected little brother'. He did not want Boromir to die for him. Which was a cauldron of emotions that exploded long before their true adult careers began. So Boromir already had to deal with that redundancy and he dealt with it, as a 20 year old angry and traumatised by war already, by being like 'fine, suit yourself' at the end of a shouting match between them that saw their relationship become quite distant and sour for a number of years afterwards.

I also wouldnt exclusively describe Boromir's sense of self as 'protective'. I would say more that Boromir sculpted himself into 'the Soldier who would fight for Gondor until the end'. This involved being 'Gondor's defender' but also included a lot more than that, some of which was less than scrupulous. I think Boromir as Captain-General made a lot of decisions that were a part of a bigger picture, but that may have gotten many people killed. In my personal imagining, Boromir pushed for a more active campaign into Ithilien over other more conservative and reserved captains. He reclaimed derelict fortresses north and south of Henneth Annun as holdfasts against imminent attack from Mordor, Minas Morgul and Harad but many were lost in that effort. It is Boromir, after all, who leads a whole company of soldiers and his brother in defense of the Bridge of Osgiliath, knowing that he is going to detonate that bridge behind them and likely kill every one of them. By some miracle he, Faramir and two others survive, but that is a good example of Boromir being a quick and clever stratagist who knows what must be done for Gondor to last just one more day (or one more year in this case), but who also does not balk against spending lives for that cause, even if those lives include his brother. So basically Boromir's identity is less based on protecting his brother/everyone, and far more about doing whatever it takes to keep as much of Gondor as possible free and breathing for just one more day. And, even more so than just 'a defender', this is a role that is so utterly redundant post-Sauron's defeat that one could even call it actually harmful.

With all that being said, in an AU where Boromir does not die at Amon Hen, his psychological landscape is kind of fascinatingly fucked. There is literally no part of him, the man he made himself, his lifelong self-project to become the sacred sacrificial calf for Gondor's life, that is needed any longer.

Certainly there are opinions he gained along the way and perspectives that he fostered unique amongst the dunedain that could be put to good social use, especially when it is the Steward who holds them. But in Boromir's own self-described political strategy 'Where there are so many, all speech becomes a debate without end. But two together may perhaps find wisdom' Boromir is a backrooms dealer, he is a single-issue advocate, he will take a cause and fight until he draws blood about it but he is not a mediator, he is not a man who can remain impassive and unbiased and he already has accrued a great political debt of respect from many vital eschelons of Gondorian society in his pursuit of Gondor's continued existence.

And as Steward, even as a serving Steward to a King, you cannot be effective if half the country loves you and half the country hates you. Particularly when you are accused of 'lacking faith' in an era defined entirely by a return to faith. Boromir cannot pretend hard enough that he loves the god that made his father self immolate and thus his support on an issue is just as likely to hinder it as it is to help.

So he is not only dealing with the natural aftermath and consequences of living in a constant state of Traumatic Stress for 30 years, just as hundreds of thousands of soldiers throughout Gondor are doing the same, he cannot even lose himself in work about it without being constantly confronted with his own superfluity, indeed his own harm! The harm he is accidentally causing the country he spent his identity to save!

And in his effort to spend that identity, Boromir also sacrificed a lot of what could have been a familial support structure in this time. His family does love him, indeed he is very well loved amongst the stewards, but they do not actually know him very well. All his true feelings and sufferings have been out of reach for them and when, during peacetime, he starts to 'become' this seemingly angrier and more isolated person, not even the kindest among them are immune to applying the 'he loved war too dearly' racialised assumption to him, further making their support out of reach.

Denethor was someone who understood at least a part of what Boromir bore. But Denethor, whose suffering Boromir believes is the far greater between them, who nonetheless was a great Steward and vital to Gondor's persistence, he is dead and buried in the rubble of their house. Boromir cannot ask him for help, he can only ascend the Palantir's tower and look into the stone and find an echo of his father's burning hands reaching out for him in the final moment of his greatest despair. Absolutely catastrophic levels of 'you cannot save your father' happening here.

And, of course, Faramir is outwardly doing well. He is marrying, he seems happy, he is raising children and loving a woman just as Eru intended and his irreproachable faith is a potent connection between him and the new King that sees him grow in influence and modesty both. None of which Boromir is capable of, not even if he tried to force it.

It could not be more obvious who the platonic ideal of a 'serving Steward' is between the two brothers. Boromir is constantly dogged by the spiritual truth that he is not 'meant to be alive'. He is supposed to be a beautiful, redeemed, uncomplicated corpse floating out to sea.

So actually I think his own suicide attempt, or at least suicidal ideation, is inevitable. He loves the Anduin, it is his river, and if he must die he would like her to have him, he would not have begrudged such a burial if it had happened. Soldiers have lost their lives in far worse places.

And here's the part where I can't really keep Theodred out of the room any longer. I'm sorry my ship is so cool and themactically explosive and their lives are intimately intertwined and death cannot claim or spare one without the other okay. Fuck. Anyway in order for Boromir to even contemplate that he might need or want to question his own self concept at all, he does need something that is 'his' to make that self-unmaking worthwhile. He needs a thread of self-determination that did not involve Gondor, that came from him but was not tied exclusively to self sacrifice and depersonalisation. And his relationship to Theodred is that thread.

There was no element of forebearance or martyrdom involved in Theodred and Boromir choosing to pursue love with each other. In fact it was dangerous to both of their projects, and I think did indeed become an obstacle at various times for various reasons as the years went by. It was necessarily sporadic, distance, meagre and more full of longing than joy, but it was theirs exclusively. Which leaves a thread, decades long, that Boromir can tug on and unravel a little of his own self mythology. If he is capable of choosing something based purely on the desire to do it, then he is not stone, or an avatar, or defined exclusively by all the pounds of flesh he gives away. He is, in fact, human and change is not death, it is his right by virtue of existing at all.

In a piece of dialogue that is way too open and self-aware for either of them but does summarise the vibe I'm going for well, I wrote this like;

Theodred: Just live Boromir, just let life be enough. Boromir: If I let it be enough I feel as if I would be killing someone. Theodred: Who? Boromir: Something. Someone. Myself. The man I am. He would be dead. Theodred: Let me then. Boromir: What? Theodred: I will slay him, it is my right anyway. Boromir: … Theodred: Let me be the death of him, put it on my conscience. Boromir: You are crying. Theodred: Yes, of course. I don't want to do it. Boromir: You really are a poet, no one is dying. Theodred: I know that. Yet I can't stop grieving. Boromir: For what? Theodred: I don't want to leave him behind. He told me he was ready to give in once, a long time ago now, and he is still there in a war he will never escape. I wanted to save him. Boromir: … You did. Theodred: You yes, but I am killing him to do it. And you don't even want me too, it's your life's work, to be this man, and now no one needs him anymore, not even I do. Boromir: … Theodred: … Boromir: Don't say that. Theodred: If I'm to kill him, I have too.

ALL THAT BEING SAID I do not see a way for Boromir to like... successfully identify and address the things that keep him from living his life like it belongs to him. Even if he manages to concede the percieved failure of ceding the Stewardship to Faramir, a thing a Steward has never done, he still will not be able to let his causes go and every concession he makes towards his own desires is an extremely hard won battle against his psyche, against the sense that he is betraying himself to do this. This is not a logical effort, this is buried in his nervous system and the feelings will be there until he can somehow identify their falsity and repeatedly soothe them until his body learns to exist differently. This I think is something that will also happen just over time, but I doubt Boromir has enough time left for it to not effect him anymore.

He also cannot shake the miserable shameful feeling that he felt better during wartime, that peace is more poisonous to him than war ever was. This compounded by the fact that his health plummets dramatically after he stops going to war as 'the body keeps the score' and all his physical debts come due. I think Boromir actually becomes profoundly disabled with both skeletal/muscle issues and heart issues that limit his abilities and shorten his lifespan considerably. Boromir has never had to worry about 'pushing himself too far' before. It is not only that Gondor doesn't need the man he is any longer, his own body won't even allow that man to exist.

I think Boromir could come to some kind of mostly conscious realisation that he does not percieve himself as human in the way that his friends and compatriots are human. As I've said before, Boromir is surprisingly racially aware, he has friends who are middle men and I can see him having stiff uncomfortable conversations with them late at night where he realises it doesnt really matter why he has placed himself on this pedastal, he is still nominally dunedain and these friends feel the distance he places between them as the same mundane violence as ever. And he agrees, internally, that he doesn't want to do that to them. But I think he would consider that as purely a moral failing on his part, and he would attempt a logical resolution. His nervous system is not recieving that care.

But, and this is the most vital cornerstone to the themes of any Boromir lives AU I'd write. It is still worth it. Even incomplete, unfullfilled, in pain, lacking closure, lacking purpose, isolated and alienated by family and society for a relationship he cannot hide any longer, losing his battles and barely addressing half of what tortures him, it is still better for Boromir to be a living complex conflicting person for as long as he can be, rather than a dead unchanging simple fable. The multitude of experiences, perspectives, opportunities and growth (even if it is the quiet undefinable growth of time passing) is the point of being alive and none of it is barred behind the psychological success of beating your demons. I think Boromir lives through moments of clarity and then loses it hours later, I think he has moments of pure joy that become mired in his own overthinking as days pass. It doesn't matter, the joy and clarity still happened! A complex difficult life is still worth living!!! AND WORTH SAVING. EVEN IF GOD MADE YOU TO DIE, YOU SHOULD STILL LIVE!!!

[torchwood-99]

Eowyn and Boromir

Boromir is the ultimate big brother.

Boromir is the ultimate big brother because he loves Faramir, his little brother, dearly.

Boromir meets the hobbits and immediately adopts them, especially Merry and Pippin.

Boromir was bros with Theodred.

Eowyn is thematically tied to the hobbits.

Eowyn is especially tied to Merry.

Eowyn was Theodred's adopted younger sister.

Eowyn has parallels with Faramir.

Eowyn marries Faramir.

So to conclude, if Boromir had lived, he would have immediately adopted Eowyn as his little sister.

[emmathefanficgal]

Questions for you Borodred fan

Yes, I have a very important question for you, about your OTP Boromir and Theodred.

In terms of timeline, did Boromir even know his beloved had died? or was he already with the fellowship? or was he dead also?

The thought just hit me in the head (while I am not particularly a Borodred fan, this story has a dramatic appeal to it), did any one of them learn of the demise of the other? or did they just go on in life hoping to meet the other again? Was their last thought for the other but the other was already away?

And... Will they meet somewhere? In the Hall of Mandos?

This sounds so terribly sad and hopeless.

[celeluwhenfics]

Drabble challenge! Théodred as the character and “perfect” as the word. (Not putting my thumb on the scales at all! Though I do, indeed, believe him to be perfect, I will not be upset in the least if you apply the word to someone else or in a different context as part of your drabble! 🙂)

Thank you for the ask, and Rohan themed! Perfect... Théodred... It was almost too easy. I tried to give a little (sweet) twist! 🍦

'Wait, there's more coming!' The early summer sun played amongst the ivy leaves falling like curtains over the colonnade. Spots of light and shade danced across the table, making the crystal glasses and silver dishes sparkle under the crumbs and ruins of a copious meal. 'More?' Théodred stretched with a groan. 'It is all delicious, but I have had so much already, I am quite sure that Silverswift will refuse to carry me!' Boromir's gaze lazed over his arms, his neck, his chest, and flashed hopefully at the hem of his tunic for a glimpse of his bare skin. 'You cannot make me believe that you are full already. A strong rider like you needs his sustenance, and you had a long journey to get here!' Théodred puffed, rubbing his stomach. 'Well, it shall be a quite a culinary deed to convince me to eat any more than this.' 'Have some faith in the cooks of Minas Tirith!' A servant placed two chiseled coupes in front of them and slid away. Théodred marvelled at the alternating layers of fruit and smooth, cloud-like dollops. 'I must say, it does look nice...' He raised an expectant spoon. 'Peaches from the orchards of South Ithilien, raspberries from Lossarnach, cream of almond, aquafaba meringue, nectar of the maple, and just a hint of rose from the garden! But of course, if you are not hungry anymore, there is no need to--' 'And how do you call this?' slurred Théodred through a mouthful. 'A parfait,' smiled Boromir. 'It means perfect.' Their eyes laughed into each other's. 'Just like you.'

[northeasternwind]

Théodred leaping into the water to save Boromir only to realize that wait. Boromir once swam half the width of the Anduin in full fucking armor at the age of forty while I live in a fully landlocked country.

Boromir, dragging Théodred onto the shore: who's morosexual now dipshit

[gufettogrigio]

Boromir & Théodred because @1337wtfomgbbq made me think of them again

[nikosheba]

So I am back on my Boromir/Théodred bullshit and I am compelled to point out that Éomer is the biggest follower of The Bro Code.

Boromir, talking about Rohan:

"Only from Rohan now will any men ride to us when we call."

"I know the Men of Rohan; true and valiant, our allies, dwelling still in the lands that we gave them long ago."

"If we cannot cross the mountains, let us journey southwards, until we come to the Gap of Rohan, where men are friendly to my people, taking the road that I followed on my way hither."

"I have myself been at whiles in Rohan."

Théoden, literally the first thing he says when waking:

"Alas!' he said, 'that these evil days should be mine, and should come in my old age instead of that peace which I have earned. Alas for Boromir the brave!"

Faramir, lamenting his brother:

"`Boromir, O Boromir!' he cried. `What did she say to you, the Lady that dies not? What did she see? What woke in your heart then? Why went you ever to Laurelindórenan, and came not by your own road, upon the horses of Rohan riding home in the morning?"

Éomer:

"That was a worthy man! All spoke his praise. He came seldom to the Mark, for he was ever in the wars on the East-borders; but I have seen him."

Boromir: Rohan? Did someone mention Rohan? I love Rohan, I am always in Rohan, I spend all my time in Rohan, Rohan is the best.

Théoden: I just woke up from being bewitched and the first thing I think of is Boromir.

Faramir: We all expected Boromir to show up with the Rohirrim like always.

Éomer: Boromir! We all know and love him! My very good friend who I...I mean, right, who I barely know. He was certainly never in Rohan. I mean, I've seen him.

the only conclusion I am willing to draw from this with my very prejudiced view is that Boromir was in Rohan constantly, everyone knew him, but Éomer is still trying to cover for his cousin's affair.

Also this line from Éomer: "More like to the swift sons of Eorl than to the grave Men of Gondor he seemed to me." I'm sorry you expect me to believe that you have only barely met him, this man that was so huge that Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli could hardly move his body, you saw this enormous tall dark-haired man and you were like "Yes he seems like Us."

Leading to @absynthe--minded and I wondering if perhaps this is a case of, "Is he....you know....more like to the swift sons of Eorl?" wink wink.