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What kits are possible for these two cats? A female classic dark grey classic tabby bicolor with roughly 50% white spotting. She only carries the genes she displays, dilute and classic tabby. And a male dark brown spotted mackerel tabby. He has no white visibly on him, but he carries the gene. Also, is it possible for one of them to carry the gene for solid?

If the tom carries dilute, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being dilute. Otherwise, every kit will be brown/black.

One or both parents can indeed carry the gene for solid. If both of them carry it the kits will each have a 25% chance of being solid, but otherwise they’ll all be tabbies. If the tom carries classic tabby, each tabby kit will have a 50/50 chance of being classic; otherwise, every tabby kit will be a mackerel tabby.

With 50% white spotting, the mother could either have two white-spotting genes or only one. If she has one, each kit will have a 25% chance of having no white spotting at all, a 50% chance of anywhere from 0-60% white spotting, and a 25% chance of anywhere from 40-100% white spotting. If she has two, each kit will have a 50% chance of anywhere from 0-60% white spotting and a 50% chance of anywhere from 40-100% white spotting.

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What would a black smoke female with no white and a brown tuxedo tabby (30% white) tom have?

If both parents carry dilute, each kit has a 25% chance of being grey instead of black/brown. Otherwise, every kit will be black/brown.

If the tom carries solid, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being solid vs. tabby. Otherwise, every kit will be a tabby.

If the female only has one silver/smoke gene, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being smoke if solid or silver if tabby. If the female has two silver/smoke genes, every kit will be silver or smoke.

Each kit has a 50% chance of having anywhere from 0-60% white and a 50% chance of having no white at all.

~ E

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Hi, is it possible for a brown male mackerel tabby with copper eyes and without any white and a female calico (maybe caliby instead?) that's 70% white with green eyes to have a tortoiseshell (that's not expressing tabby stripes) female kitten with copper eyes? And if so, what might the other kits (male and female) in the litter look like? If you'd be so kind to answer this I'd be forever in your debt! (even if it's just to tell me this is all impossible!)

This kit seems totally plausible (whether the female is a calico or caliby!) as long as she has at least a little bit of white on her (anywhere from 0-60%). 

As for other kits in the litter, her sisters could be fellow torties, tabby-torties, brown mackerel tabbies, or solid black. Her brothers could be brown mackerel tabbies, solid black, or ginger mackerel tabbies. If you want, her siblings could also be dilute versions of these colors too (blue-cream torties and tabby-torties, grey mackerel tabbies, solid grey cats, and cream mackerel tabbies), though they should probably be outnumbered by the non-dilute siblings. Every kit should have somewhere between 0-60% white spotting.

~ E

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What would be the kits of a calico she-cat with roughly 60% white (cap and saddle) and a brown mackerel tabby tom with no white have? The tabby in the orange spots of the calico is also mackerel.

You can have red toms, non-red toms, tortie she-cats, and non-red she-cats.

If the tom carries solid, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being solid vs. mackerel tabby. Otherwise, all the kits will be mackerel tabby. The red toms and the red spots of the tortie she-cats will be mackerel tabby no matter what.

If both parents carry dilute, each kit will have a 25% chance of being dilute (grey, cream, or blue-cream tortie depending on their base color). Otherwise, every kit will be non-dilute. 

Each kit will have anywhere from 0-60% white spotting, though most likely somewhere closer to the middle of that range.

~ E

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(Golden/Silver kits ask thing) That definitely makes sense, thank you very much! If it wouldn't be too much trouble, would you be willing to provide male and female kit options if momma has one wide band gene? To clarify, momma is a black tortoiseshell smoke with one white spotting gene, one silver, one wide band, carries dilution + long fur gene. Dad is black mackerel tabby, carries long fur gene + dilution, no white spotting. Thank you very much!

Eek, I accidentally screwed up my pairing with another cat I had in my head. Tortie smoke momma with white spotting and carries dilution, one wide band gene is long-furred, not short furred. Sorry about that!

No problem! I don’t precisely remember what information I gave you last time, so I’m going to list all the information I can for this. Sorry if some of it is redundant!

Alright, to start with the easy stuff, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being longhaired vs. shorthaired. This pairing can produce black toms, ginger toms, black she-cats, and tortoiseshell she-cats. If the tom carries solid, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being solid; otherwise, they’ll all be mackerel tabbies. Since both parents carry dilute, each kit has a 25% chance of being dilute. Each kit has a 50/50 chance of getting their mother’s white spotting gene, ending up with anywhere from 0-60% white spotting, vs. having no white spotting like their father.

Now on to the silver/golden series. Each kit has a 50/50 chance of inheriting the she-cat’s silver gene and a separate 50/50 chance of inheriting the wide band gene. If a tabby kit inherits the silver gene, that kit will be a silver tabby. If a silver tabby inherits the wide band gene, that kit will be silver shaded tabby instead. If a solid kit inherits the silver gene, that kit will be smoke. A smoke kit with the wide band gene will have a wider, paler smoke pattern than a kit without it, but they’ll both be smoke.

Non-silver kits still have a 50/50 chance of inheriting the wide band gene. If they don’t inherit it, the kit will simply have the normal color and pattern unaffected by the silver/golden series. If a non-silver tabby kit inherits the wide band gene, that kit will be a golden tabby instead. If a non-silver solid kit inherits the wide band gene, that kit will be golden smoke.

The golden and silver series is a modifier to the cats base coat, so the cat will still be black/ginger/tortie beneath the golden/silver series and thus the golden/silver series will apply to the kits regardless of gender.

Hope this helped!

~ E

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Sorry about the submitting on anon, but I don't actually have a tumblr account so... Anyways, here's the ask. What possible kit options are there for a smoke (I think?) tortie with white she-cat (one silver shading gene (no idea about the wide band thing), one white spotting gene, no tabby genes, two long fur genes, one dilution gene, black-black, one red gene) and a black mackerel tabby tom (black-black, no white spotting, carries dilution, one non-agouti gene, one long fur gene). Thank you!

Ah, sorry about that, I hadn’t considered that people who don’t have tumblr accounts would pay any attention to us! Thank you for your thorough description of what genes the cats carry, by the way -- knowing that makes my explanation easier and shorter!

Okay, to start with, each kit has about a 50% chance of being longhaired vs. shorthaired.  Male kits can be black or ginger, and female kits can be black or tortoiseshell. Each kit has a 25% chance of being dilute (black > blue/grey, ginger > cream, tortoiseshell > blue-cream tortie). Each kit will have a 50% chance of being a mackerel tabby vs. solid, but keep in mind that any cream or ginger patches will always be tabby. 

Each kit will have a 50% chance of having around the same amount of white as the she-cat; otherwise they won’t have any. Each kit will have a 50% chance of inheriting their mother’s silver gene and being smoke if solid or silver if tabby.

If you don’t want to deal with the golden series, you can assume the she-cat has no wide band and stop here. If you do want the potential for golden kits, give her one or more wide band genes. One wide band gene will make each non-silver kit have a 50% chance of being golden (tabby or smoke). Two wide band genes will make every non-silver kit be golden (tabby or smoke).

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Ok, so there are these two cats I'd like to come up with offspring possibilities for. The she-cat is a smoke tortoiseshell (black + ginger, genetically black-black (no chocolate or cinnamon genes)) with about 20% white, long fur, carries dilution. (Is it possible for her to only have inherited smoke from her dad?? Either way I'm not sure about the wide band genes that she has, what differences could there be?) The tom is a brown mackerel tabby, no white, carries dilution and a long fur gene.

To answer your questions about the molly’s smoke inheritance first, she could definitely have inherited smoke from her dad -- to be smoke, a cat just needs to 1) have a silver or smoke parent, and 2) not be a tabby. Wide band genes won’t affect whether she’s smoke or not, but they will affect what the smoke looks like -- the more wide band alleles she has, the lighter her smoke pattern will be. It’s really up to you which she has.

As for their offspring: 

Each kit will have a roughly 50/50 chance of being longhaired vs. shorthaired. 

Each male kit will have a 50% chance of being genetically black and a 50% chance of being genetically ginger; each female kit will have a 50% chance of being genetically black and a 50% chance of being genetically tortoiseshell.

Each kit will have a 25% chance of being dilute (black > grey, ginger > cream, tortie > blue-cream tortie) and a 75% chance of remaining non-dilute.

If the tom carries solid, each kit will have a 50/50 chance of being a tabby. If he doesn’t, every kit will be a tabby.

Here’s where it gets a bit complicated -- depending on what genes the mother has beneath her smoke, the possible silver/gold patterns on the kits change. Since you say you want her to have inherited smoke just from her father, I’m going to assume she has one silver gene and one non-silver gene. This means each kit has a 50/50 chance of being silver vs. non-silver.

The silver kits will be smoke if solid. If they’re tabbies, their pattern depends on whether the mother has a copy of the wide band gene. If she doesn’t, they’ll be silver tabbies. If she has two copies of the wide band allele, they’ll be silver shaded tabbies. If she has only one copy of the wide band allele, they’ll have a 50% chance of being silver tabbies and a 50% chance of being silver shaded tabbies.

If the mother doesn’t have any copies of the wide band allele, the non-silver kits will all be normally colored and patterned. If she has two copies of the wide band allele, they’ll be golden tabbies if tabbies and golden smoke if solid. If she has only one copy of the wide band allele, they’ll have a 50% chance of being golden and a 50% chance of having their normal color/pattern.

Each kit will have a 50% chance of have no white like their father and a 50% chance of having some white (anywhere from 0-60%) like their mother.

I hope this helps!

~ E

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What kits could a heterogeneous shorthair dark brown tabby tom with a white chin, toes, throat, and tail tip have if he mated with a homogenous shorthaired black molly with white paws and belly. The tom carries solid.

Brown tabbies and black kitties!

Half will have less than 50% white on them, a fourth more than 50% white, and the final fourth none at all.

~R