#creation cons

[4evamc]

Misha at SPNSF

[teamfreewill2pointo]

Hello. English is not my first language so this was not clear in the videos I saw. Furthermore, we do not have complete videos. But, what did Jensen say about destiel at spnsf? Sincere question. I don't follow any ship, but I like to know what the actors really say, without putting words into them to favor what I think or what I want. And I know you're very honest about it too. In the videos I saw and with my intermediate English, I didn't see him confirming or denying anything.

Jensen didn't mention it in either panel and it wasn't asked. There weren't many questions asked in either of them. I remember all of them & a friend filmed most of the main panel. A lot of the questions had nothing to do with the show.

I have a video of Misha talking about it in the context of fandom in his Sat panel, but it was the first panel we tried to film and it's not a good video because shows a lot of the audience. I'll see if I can clip him out or make a recording. I'll do a transcript either way. He was talking about how fandom changed in general from when he first started going to conventions. I'm not sure what it means, but they were screening GA questions on Sunday, but not the other days. My friend was surprised when they asked her question ahead of time on Sunday after not having been asked that on the other days.

[supernaturalconvert]

Does anybody know what's happening here?

[heller-cockles-truther]

Wow, I hope creation will learn from it and make adjustments in 2023 when it will be under their brand.

[laf-outloud]

We have so many wonderful Walker pictures from this con. It's almost as many as RICC and WCC. Plus, the panel info, too. I hope Creation makes notes that people are willing to pay for the Walker boys experience. Not to mention all the fan merch people were wearing. (*insert Julia Roberts "big mistake" for CE merch gang)

Well, they wouldn't have invited Mitch and Keegan back the remainder of the year if they didn't sell well. I just wish we would have gotten more WIndy actors involved. I have a feeling Philemon and Katie would be highly entertaining in a panel.

[destielette]

I did it for you, Jensen, you’re welcome 💚💙

Please nobody tell me he doesn’t know what these colors mean, him and Misha were sharing reaction videos and talking about it for a week, of course he knows.

I’m not saying that this has anything to do with the episode though, just that he chose these colors because he knows what they symbolize for us.

[ugh-againwiththenames]

Cursed Sn*per Thoughts

Misha, in his panel, said something very interesting at Denver con that I think was lost in translation (or certainly hasn’t been brought up enough while we're circling like vultures about CW snipers and poor word choices):

(you know what to do...below the cut)

"I'm not supposed to talk about that...” [waaait] “...it's not canon"

It's the ‘it's not canon’ that's the important part of that sentence (honestly, not the first time yesterday people missed the important part of the sentence). If we didn't know before, I think it's pretty clear now what the Sn*per was so intent on all those years about Misha not talking about Destiel (because it was not explicitly canon until 15x18) and this was the first con back since then - so NOW he's allowed to talk about the gay love confession but…He is NOT allowed to talk about what Cas is doing/feeling now that the show is over, because it isn't scripted/textual/CANON.  He’s not allowed to discuss Castiel in Heaven/the Empty because it’s NOT canon.  He CAN now talk about the confession – he CAN now talk about his love for Dean and he CAN now pontificate on when/how and what his feelings were/represented – because the confession, and its intention is now canon.  

Let's take this and transplant it to our other boy - THIS is why Jensen will always have to say "it's open for interpretation" (or some version of that) - why he cannot give an answer - it's not canon either way for him to answer and have a textual opinion (and 15x18 FUCKED him because he will - as a character - never get closure and NEVER be able to discuss it) - if he had said it back/or denied it in that episode, THEN we could ask those questions and he would be allowed to answer them. However, because canonically he never responded, it's up in the air (as his response would fucking suggest). Personally, I think this frustrates the hell out of him; I think he's trying so hard to come up with different ways of saying the same thing – but he's vastly limited in what he’s allowed to say. With Jensen continuing to work with WB through Chaos Machine, I find it very unlikely that he will purposefully break his NDA.  That’s a really slippery slope for him to navigate (without the added pressure of the damn fandom).

But Misha, Misha gave us a peak into the real issue (and I don’t think it’s the first time he’s done that either, I think he’s been trying to tell us for a while) - and it's not that they can't discuss Destiel, it's that they can't discuss anything that isn't textually canon, and so...this is an issue that is going to continue to come up at EVERY single con from here until we recognize that Jens cannot say anything different than what he has already.

Now! Something else to consider - Misha and Jensen are FINE. There is no animosity or tension between them - the body language alone this weekend proved that - do you really REALLY think, and I want you to think about this very very hard - do you think that if Jensen was slandering or avoiding Destiel in public for the fucking hell of it, Misha would be ok with that? That they haven't discussed this so much that they know each others' opinions on it very well? Do you THINK that Misha would be that close with someone who hates the idea of it? Lol guys - come the fuck on now and think this through (honestly lately I feel like this is my resting state in this fandom…think this through!).  Misha and Jensen are still flirty and cuddly and touchy – Jensen’s inability to discuss Destiel is not due to his discomfort at all, but due to the fact that his feelings (regardless of what he THINKS they are/would be) were not CANON.

Can we, please, come up with questions at cons, because (holy hell this is gonna be a repeat offender at EVERY con), can we PLEASE find ways to avoid asking questions about things that aren’t canon because that is, honestly, the first and most important reason we will not get the answers we want, and no amount of yelling about it is going to change that.

Here’s another can of worms for you…I don’t think there’s any blame to place here.  I don’t think that Creation is responsible for “silencing” Destiel now that I’m thinking about it (they have cut out those questions NOT so that they don’t get asked, but so that the actors don’t need to dance around answers that they cannot LEGALLY give) **striking this after the creation interruption during the Misha/AlCal panel** (and that’s ok, I can be wrong);  I do not think that TPTB are in any way WRONG about not wanting the actors in their show (their INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY) to think beyond what they’ve been written to do…I understand (please don’t cancel me) I UNDERSTAND that Jensen and Misha have knowledge of their characters and whether they think decisions were good or bad, and I KNOW that they have those characters in their pocket and are fully aware of how they think they would react/how they feel/what they would do or say – but that is NOT THEIR JOB (as much as we would like it to be, as much as the man who has played Dean/been Dean for 15 years should probably have been consulted in a number of places over the years...), he did not write the character, it is absolutely not his job to “become” that character and speak for him outside of canon in his day to day life.  He now owns (at least some of) the rights to Supernatural, so, shall we maybe just see what happens in the future when he’s allowed to take canon and OWN it himself?

Added note: I am literally just in the process of watching these panels – I listened live (if that wasn’t clear from the live blogging happening yesterday); I may have even more thoughts on this topic shortly – in fact, I probably will.  But for now, this is what I took out of yesterday’s panels. Body language proves an even larger tell in these issues (and so far, all I’ve seen are a few .gifs, a few photos etc.) and even from that small amount of available media it’s sooooooo clear what is happening there.

[mattzerella-sticks]

The exec at CE or something: I'd silence a thousand queer fans before I let a Destiel question be asked on the main floor!