#creation cons

[sonicnurse]

i cant wait for someone to do some investigative journalism regarding creation and their cons. ive been saying theres something sketchy about their prices for years and im so curious of the behind the scenes

[teamfreewill2pointo]

When Creation sold Misha's show in NJ, they had a notation on the website that a shuttle would be provided. Then it disappeared and their pitch was it was "under five miles" to walk. I'm not seeing anyone getting any reassurance those shuttles are being booked for those who got tickets under the first description and promise of service. This is an imminent accessibility issue for many. Have you heard any news from your friends?

I haven't heard about this issue, but my timeline has been flooded and we went out of town this weekend. That's odd if it's not at the convention center and you have to walk miles.

[supernaturalconvert]

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Well if they’ve given up on Misha according to that email what does it say about Jared? Misha was listed before him

The difference between the two scenarios is that Jared has decided to move away from Creation. Last I checked Jared is only doing 5 creation cons while Misha is doing all of them.

Also, I am not saying that they are moving from Misha just that they must realise that he is not enough to sell cons. Remember, the giving back tour and how unsuccessful that was.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

So if you think we should chill out and they're still negotiating, should we expect Jared to be added to more cons in your opinion? Have you heard CE might get back to Apex? Because there were a lot of people saying at least six before we hit a wall. I want them all to have Jared--except BUR, which was announced--but I'd given up hope on even the missing two.

Might get back to Apex? They are working with them right now. Just announced a new signed contract with one of the talent Apex manages 5 days ago.

As I've seen saying for awhile now, Jared wants to do more cons outside of CE, especially more overseas cons. He's going to book those first, then fit in what he can with his schedule.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

Are you still going to go to SF? I don't think Jared will be at any of the west coast cons, so I didn't know if you'd switch to one further away. (Or just carry a six foot cardboard cut out to all your ops in protest of the bait and switch)

I still have my gold tickets, but I'm annoyed because I bought them to get signatures on a script I've been saving after I donated the rest of the collection. I won't be able to sell it at the cost I paid, so I'll have to buy gold again for another con or buy Jared's signature separately.

No protest ops, but I'll miss my mishaleckis.

I was gifted Burbank for Christmas. I'll probably end up doing both, but it also depends on what my con partners want to do. Finally 3 West Coast cons, but no Jared so far at any of them.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

/brooksba10/status/1738661649479827862) Ruth's solo ops even say they are at her table. Group ops are not up for NJ, so that's not the deal. Witching Hour is not up yet either. Worse, the marketing person even spelled her name wrong. I clicked everywhere I could think of since it's a Jared con and I might go, but I don't see any actual discounts at all. WTF is this?

Anon 2: Is Creation going through some sort of major collapse? I've never seen this level of misunderstanding of what fandom as a whole wants (J2M together), while at the same time begging fandom to attend (marketing that reeks of desperation)

Here's the email on Ruth

You can see why CE seems to have no idea what they are doing.

They have new PR. They know Jared is a huge draw, which is why they hid that he wasn't signed onto SF when they asked for re-ups.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

I'm sorry, but could you break down the maths of cons for me?

I did a rough count of seat numbers and came up with 700.

I read elsewhere that J2 got the same for a convention as their salary, which was rumoured to be 175k.

I also read that actors kept the autograph and photo money.

There are a fair few actors at a convention, who need to be paid and have their travel.

There doesn't seem to be enough money in it.

Would you mind breaking down the revenue streams and who gets what?

also, is it me or are the venues getting smaller. I only see these on YouTube and the older stages seem much bigger.

Thank you....and merry Christmas.

J2 have a base fee of 300k each, which means they don't show up unless guaranteed that amount by the con organizers.

They get that money through a percentage of ticket sales, photo ops, autos, and m&gs.

The number of tickets sold depends on the con. Some sell a lot more than others. I don't know the percentages they get, but I know it's more for ops/autos/m&gs than tickets.

When guestimating their photo fees, let's say it's 50% (it's way higher) at almost $200 a pop for their solos and selling 300, that's at least $100x300=30k just for their solos. They used to sell out every con. Now that they are appearing on both Saturday and Sunday, CE will sell more photo ops if they have the time to fit it into the schedule. So not selling out at recent cons doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't selling 300. It could mean that they are selling 300, but there's an extra 50 available because J2 have the time to do it now.

I don't know the current numbers for the various ops, although I am very curious. If you go to the op table to buy more ops, you can peep the current number of tickets sold, but only if ops are still available to be sold. You can also sit in the theater and see how many numbers are called for each group. I know that J2 is the biggest money maker and usually goes over 300 sold if they have the time in the schedule.

If they sell 20 m&g seats at $500 each, that's 10k. I dunno the percentage they keep, but probably over 50% and they split the J2.

The autos are usually rolled into gold. I have no idea how many of those sell when sold individually.

In addition to the assigned seats with numbers, there are also GA seats. These seats are not assigned and there's no way to know online how many are sold unless you have access to Creation's data. If you go there in person, you can count them.

If I recall correctly (I haven't been to a con in months, and I wasn't counting the seats when I was there), the GA setup was equivalent to or greater than the other sections combined. Now, this doesn't mean that every seat was filled, but based on the cons that I've attended, I estimate that they sell at least half GA for every assigned seat. It also varied from con to con, with some cons having more GA sections.

For NJ con, there's over $325k in gold, $57k in silver, $47k for copper and $35k for preferred single day sold so far. That's $464k not including GA. GA weekend is $249. Fri is $70, Sat $80, and Sunday $100. There's a lot more people on Sundays and I don't know what percentage of people in the theater on Sunday only bought tickets for that day.

If your estimate of 700 seats is correct and we say GA was half that and everyone in GA bought Sunday only tickets, we're looking at 35k for GA, but that's a huge underestimate.

There's also the auction for VIP and the cast gets a cut of that.

I know they were concerned about Burbank and worried that they would lose money on it. It's interesting that they dropped the gold so much for SFcon.

300k/con is a really high price and the reason that you typically don't see both Js at conventions outside the US.

[teamfreewill2pointo]

FYI. The reup form did not indicate the location of the hotel or name of the hotel at all for Nashville 2024

Yikes