anyone else have the thing when some serious crisis is going on they actually feel really comfortable? it might just be the 7, after all its part of the playbook, but i’m sitting on the floor in the hallway waiting to see if i need to go to the hospital and somehow feel more at ease than i do at dinner.
it feels weird to admit, you shouldn’t really be looking forward to something that requires crisis mode but its the adrenaline that runs through during the moment, the anticipation of waiting, and finally the relief when everything is over.
the thing about pjo that makes it different from things like harry potter or any other YA novel is that the characters grow with you. technically? percy would be a millennial considering the books came out in 2005 and he would be born in 1993… but percy just doesn’t seem 29 to me now, and you know why? it’s because pjo is written in such a way that when you’re younger you assume that you’ll be saving the world when you’re 16 and when you’re older the characters hold such relatable flaws and features that you truly see yourself in them sometimes. in a similar vein, rick captured early genz humor before it was even a thing.
the decisions that percy and annabeth make are mature enough to get the idea of not being absolutely childish across, but nuanced enough than an adult with more brain processing power can understand the reasoning behind any of their behaviors.
i think the contrast between how other people see percy (hazel, super powerful, thought might be a god in disguise) vs how percy sees himself (insert explosion here) is actually a really good depiction of how many people devalue themselves.
because sometimes what you see vs what other people see are two very different things.
we spend 5 books in percy’s head. reading his thoughts, his perception of things. but what if we didn’t have him narrating? what if we took the story and had it read in 3rd person, as objectively as possible?
well, by age 12 this kid had fought aries, gone to the underworld, burned a few things, and effectively gave the middle finger to zeus
13? dealt with giant mythological creature, traveled around on a boat, dealt with fatal flaws
14 and can you imagine a bunch of run down teenagers at a tourist location looking like they had been hit by a bus? he held the weight of the world on his shoulders. he had watched a friend die. and when you actually start to think about that… it’s more painful than you could ever imagine
at 15 he almost died (again), ended up on a mystical island and decided that paradise wasn’t worth it without his loved ones
and at 16 he had saved the world. literally…
and now me, at 20, still feels like i’m standing right next to him. the best part about the pjo books are that they stay and grow with you. both my childhood and adult life somehow exist together in a 5 book series i read when i was 12. and there’s something really powerful about that
who rules the world mbti (plus some enneagram) analysis
through episode 18, tried to minimize spoilers
in love with this drama, couldn’t nOt do an analysis that absolutely nobody asked for
bai fengxi / feng lanxi | intj 5w6
walking ni poster boy
cLassic intj x exfp match
exfp: runs around lighting things on fire
intj: carrying around a fire extinguisher grumbling about cleaning up their mess while having stars in their eyes
very obvious te as opposed to fe
sets up systems to function well without regard to specifics, you can see this when he sends fountain abode to gather information
yes, it’s the way it’s framed but also he just wants results, doesn’t pay that much attention to the process
fundamentally, his opposition to a relationship with hei is the fact that he can’t be distracted, only later is it shown that he doesn’t believe that he should “trap” her in a world of politics
but even then, the motivation comes from him not wanting to be responsible for her displeasure instead of just wanting her to be happy
hei fengxi / feng xiyun | esfp 7w8
esfps come claim your girl!!
love an esfp that is healthy and doesn’t add to the giant pile of esfp hate
eXfp pretty self explanatory
ni inferior is actually what convinced me
scene in (episode 6/7?) when dealing with the ma family and figuring out who was being targeted
ik it’s for the cinematic parallel but they figure out the exact same thing through correct ni usage
she also just doesn’t display inferior si
also doesn’t really think like an ne dom would
when traversing with han pu she doesn’t think in advance about how her nomadic/chaotic lifestyle would impact the life of a small child which does point to lack of ni and fe
she’s too straightforward with her ideas and actions, points towards se
stereotype warning ⚠️ but the food eating? her constantly saying that (insert body part) should be used in a this way at any given time, very se oriented
spoiler: but in episode 13 (?) when she notices the faded seal on the exam questions, something bai fengxi didn’t notice is a very se thing to do
feng qiwu (leader of feng clan) | intj 3w4
100% a te user, not a perceiver (as in the cognitive functions of a enfp or esfp don’t make sense in any context here)
that alone puts her into xxtj territory
i’m thinking INTJ just from the way that she spoke about fengxi before she knew he practiced martial arts, and how surprised she was when finding out, going as far to ask one of her advisors, what if someone had managed to fool me and everyone for over a decade
she’s steadfast in her beliefs that come from an inner system (ni/fi) and having te aux
an entj (imo) has much less access to fi with te suppressing most of the time. and i think an entj’s problem with langxi would come more from his (perceived) lack of ability as a prince as opposed to his mellowness and analytical thinking
i would guess that if you were to give her a tritype it would be 361 or 368
i would lean towards 361 just because she doesn’t hold the same level of aggression/needing control as someone with an 8 fix would have and she has the sort of calm morality that come with having a 1 fix (ime)
her innate dislike of weakness and “calmness?” that fengxi exhibits as the 2nd prince, going as far to say “the worst kind of man”she’s pretty steadfast in her beliefs
6 over 5 because i don’t see the thirst for knowledge for the sake of knowledge in her
she’s more than willing to subordinate herself to fengxi when he proves to be a capable leader
this has now turned into an enneagram analysis, whoops
final decision: intj
feng chang (first prince) | estp 6w7
decently high fe usage actually
we’re gonna ignore the occasional violence cause ~plot~
actually that’s just the enneagram 6 reaction oops
i’m writing this at 3:03 am okay this is mEssy
was debating estp/entp but really, in a similar way to hei fengxi, speaks in too straightforward a manner.
you could make an argument for esfp, but his actions continually show an emphasis on the wellbeing of others rather than himself.
despite the fact that he and fengxi should be enemies and everyone is going around trying to pry them apart, even when put in a super sticky situation that ends up hurting fengxi, his actions come from a place of wanting to protect him rather than his own desires
he seeks external validation from his mother despite her mistreatment of him for 15 years
doesn’t really have his own motivations tbh
loyal to fengxi for the most part, gets stuck in court politics he doesn’t want to be in
feng ju (third prince) | enfj 3w2
sorry to my enfjs
in your (?) defense he’s super unhealthy and the entire story arc is literally designed to make him look bad? if that’s any consolation
extremely people and achievements based
idk how to explain this one lol
he’s just an enfj
the dominant fe, the (rather poor usage of) ni
yep, that’s all i’ve got lol
yu wuyan (one of the four gentlemen) | infj 4w5
hello ni post boy no. 2
plop him next to fengxi and you’ve got two pretty faced ni users meddling with things in the background
it’s fantastic
disintegrates to 1, imposes his own moral code and desires onto the entirety of the continent
king of reminds me of loki tbh
very easily reads motivations of others, not te oriented like fengxi
spoiler! ⚠️ just a really unhealthy / villainous infj
bonus:
second lady baili: entj 3w4 - this one’s pretty self explanatory..
emperor: esfj (?) - dominant fe, cares deeply about others and his entire schtick is protecting the people of his nation through balancing the court
because its been a while and i’ve found more people to psychoanalyze :)
pt. 1 (all 16)
ENTJ:
still haven’t met many more of you
probably cause i avoid you like the plague
sorry not sorry
this is pOtentially my major advisor
if so, much love my guy, you’re also like 65 so aren’t having many of the problems a 20 year old ENTJ would be having
actually now that i’m typing this hes most likely an ENTJ
Te / Ni / Se / Fi
only thing that throws me off is the Se/Si cause I’ve seen him use the same thing over and over again
but he doesn’t strike me as an ESTJ/ISTJ
that man is walking NT
actually, yeah, 100% an ENTJ
also potentially a 8w?
idk
the man doesn’t take bullshit and damn do i appreciate that
hes a hardass but fair and my entp 8w7 ass respects the living hell out of that
i will say however, that this is a mentorship / mentee relationship and that a lot of this dynamic works because of that inherent power dynamic and also my great amount of respect to him
outside of that and also that hes older so obviously more developed functions idk how well it would work between peers
but as a mentor? fantastic
INTJ
by now i have met 4 of you
3 of them are women
the statistics on that are fking insane
anyway
still love and adore you
still having a Fe/Fi problem when you start looping / are underdeveloped (its a IXTJ thing in general tbh)
one of the INTJs is about 10 years older than me, works in finance, (Ni makes it a fantastic fit, its patterns and intuition of the stock market i mean come oN)
shes incredibly interesting because i absolutely adore her, def more on the introvert introvert side, but also shes married to an ESFP?
fun story, a different INTJ i now live near had a tiny crush on an ESFP for a hOt second until he decided to be fucking stupid and go crashing into an Fi hell
granted hes super unhealthy and nobody likes him so take that as you will
its just what happens with unheathy Fi, no hate to ESFPs, they get enough as is
anyway
INTJ and ESFP
i don’t exactly understand the appeal of the relationship, the INTJ is the one holding it together (enneagram 9 like? stepping down and self-forgetting to keep the peace) but i’ve known both these people for so long and they wouldn’t have gotten married (or stay dating for upwards of 8 years) if they didn’t genuinely care about each other
i’ve seen two out of four of you in an Ni/Fi grip and its kinda yikes tbh
like, for one of you i just feel straight up bad for and the other one i want to hit over the head with some Fe (in my defense his sister was dying and he didn’t want to go see her cause like... it hurt too much?.. like, my guy.)
but the sisters better(ish) and hes back to normal so chilling
other INTJ is just straight up fking depressed rip my gal i love you
and then we have one normal one hanging around
tbh the largest problem here is the Fe/Fi difference especially when the INTJ doesn’t accommodate other people (and sometimes me)
my own growth of Si and Fe has def shifted that as i now have a chronic medical condition and im like. gUys just get up and get me some water it is not that difficult i am literally ill lol
more on that in the ISTJ section
ENTP
INTP turned ENTP lol
not actually
had an interesting mistype earlier with a friend
the friggin toxic empathy made me think inferior Fe but it turns out thats just *trauma* and his Fe is really damn high so its an interesting balance
I
ADORE
YOU
ENTP 8w7 sp/sx and ENTP 2w3 sx/so
i know this isn’t enneagram but now it is lol
i don’t particularly worry about him cause i know he’ll be fine
i love him
hes fantastic
we kind of enable each other but not really
its a really nice dynamic, would highly recommend
INTP
i found oneeeee (twoooo cause i didn’t look at this for six months and am now continuing it cause im meeee)
so turns out the person i thought was an INTP was just an ENTP and don’t mind both of us being clowns, sometimes it happens
this intp was fking impossible to type
bounced around with INTP for a while, then somebody suggested ISFJ with an Ne grip that i entertained for like 2 minutes and then i had a good good good convo with her today and was like
okay
INTP
we got it
the problem with typing her was the developed Fe
the argument for ISFJ was (1 INTP/ENTP and ISFJ share the same function stack) and 2. a developed Fe
turns out that just what happens with good parenting lol
what i’m assuming is some kind of IXFJ mother?
i’m an ENTP with an ISFJ mom and thats about 85% of the reason my Fe is developed
and because Ne has got to connect everything and also our dynamics with out mothers have some similar characteristics i’m starting to put two and two together
might be a post on that later we’ll see
so
fucking
funny
does crazy shit (not actually, just shoving face into cake) when kind of stressed out or anything
the Si tertiary is a personality quirk rather than something really problematic
she just refuses to get venmo and we all give her shit for it but its not causing overt problems and there are just a few other hills that she will die on
thats the difference between tertiary Si and inferior Si, no matter how developed
second one :)
immediate click with him tbh
easiest INTP to spot too
i really do think that part of it is the fact that hes a male and wasn’t really *hiding* his XNTX kinda quirky social awkwardness
idk, hes got the same tritype as me for enneagram so a really easy mirror spotting thing
we shouldn’t be left alone after 10pm cause we’ll start typeracing with an INFP instead of studying for bio
yet another unnecessarily long analysis that no one asked for
hes so cute :(
aka i have a fever and don’t want to do calculus so here we are
used personality database data/discussion and made my own decision
theres been a lot of debate about hyunjae being an entp vs intp
and by a lot i mean just on personality database but i must have an answer so here we are
the gist is that we’re all sure hes a XNTP but when it comes to cognitive functions it gets messy cause you’re just working with order
yeah yeah grant vs myers briggs, jungian, can it world
so me being the Ne user i am i need all the information in the world and then make connections
bad news for explaining it is that nobody except me has the exact connotations for what i’m talking about and makes sense in my head
the easiest way for me to explain this is that i use every personality categorization system, astrology, socionics, mbti, enneagram, and type people within each system
after that i start drawing lines between all of the classifications
its very nice for Ne to have a base because otherwise anything i’m trying to explain is more like grandiose hand waving while nobody understands
anyway
each test looks for something different
you can be the same type as someone with mbti but a different enneagram (entp 8w7 vs entp 2w3 - yes we know the 2w3 isn’t normal, he got fucked up as a child)
so i looked at this in a really holistic sense
everything connects to everything
so the final decision is just the culmination of the data that i’ve collected and then made a decision on
disagree if you like :)
btw theres a dissertation below the cut lol
final decision: INTP
its an intp with classic entp enneagram fixes
(person who talked about intp w/ entp enneagram)
the general consensus is that jae is a 7w8
(i have not looked super far i am going off of other peoples information but it feels correct)
argue all u want on the fixes but core is gonna be 7w8
its not uncommon for an INTP to have a 7 core
a wing 8 would make the 7 a little more daring and outgoing than your average 7w6
it would also make an INTP look closer to the ENTP stereotype
also please keep in mind that we see him around his members most of the time and all XNTPs become 10x more social and comfortable around close friends than in a new situation
remember that both ENTPs and INTPs have Fe/Si (opposite orders) as tertiary and inferior
when thrown into a completely new situation both of them have to get a sense of what is going on before doing anything else
for me its pushing until i hit a wall and going “great! now i know where the wall is” and i can avoid it from then on
it may come off as blunt and inappropriate but really we just have 0 clue whats going on until you give us a little time
once you get us in our element engaged in something we find interesting we won’t shut up
i’m using “we” referencing ENTP/INTPs because they do share some fundamental similarities
so assuming hes a 7w8 it would make sense for him to be a little bit more outgoing than your average intp, and considering the amount of time he spends around his members it would also make sense for him to be more comfortable in the environment that he’s super familiar with
overdeveloping an inferior function
sometimes people end up with a really strong tertiary function or super super overdeveloped inferior function
hyunjae is an idol
his fe had to develop faster otherwise PR would be a nightmare and it would just be overall problematic
its the same premise when female ENTPs almost always have more developed Fe than male ENTPs, especially when they’re younger
because females are expected to be more emotional and empathetic than men (fuck you society but aneyway) female entps get exposed to “needing” Fe a lot earlier in life
no you don’t have to develop it, but most of the time its easier to put on a Fe mask and chameleon your way through a situation than fight every dumbass who underestimates you and doesn’t have a brain
“you catch more flies with honey” bullshit
pain in the ass but society dictates...
move on before you go on ur what society expects from females rant girl
where was this going? right
given the circumstances it would make sense for hyunjae to develop his Fe in a way that many INTPs wouldn’t
speaking from my own perspective, XNTPs are able to fit in anywhere because they learned real early that their “normal” behavior was not acceptable, societal or otherwise
without sounding egotistical, the world was not made for XNTPs to function in
our entire society could be categorized as XSXJ
people living in the literal world, in the moment, and people wanting structure and planning
that made 0 sense oh whell
you get a better idea when looking at the cognitive functions
the bottom two are Fe/Si or Si/Fe
XNTPS need context for anything to make an ounce of sense
whether it be with people or situations
if we haven’t experienced a situation before (even a moderately similar one doesn’t help that much) its fucking stressful cause Ne/Ti is running around on a four-wheeler with torches and a blindfold on with Si and Fe frantically trying to put up bumpers before they hit something (ie fuck something up or do something “inappropriate”)
as an idol you have to be very careful with your image
say what you might about whether they should be judged harshly etc etc but its just facts
one wrong move could cause a scandal, hatred towards your group
with that on the line, you naturally are going to be more conscientious about your image, your actions towards people, how others see you
the biggest argument for ENTP is his developed Fe
but as someone whos sitting with a really forcibly developed inferior Si?
all the other information combined makes me say INTP
personal anecdote here:
at 19 entps aren’t usually dealing with Fe that well, let alone Si
but for me, a situation came around that made me develop Si
it was literally: take care of your body, manage your time, fucking feed yourself
or stop living your life in any functioning manner
you know what i chose
so now i’ve got a (relatively speaking to the normal ENTP growth path) overdeveloped Si
its still not great, but it sure is a hell of a lot better than before my life hit the fan
with a career on the line?
you develop that damn Fe lol
sidetracking a little into enneagram territory but it applies here
hyunjae has a SP/SO instinctual stack (more below)
tldr is that hes selfish with his time but also wants to take care of the group around him
for context i’m a SP/SX 8w7
you put SP/SO together and you’re trying to maintain the harmony of the group 1. because you want to and 2. because a harmonious group is less work for you to try and fix every problem that pops up
you would not believe the lengths i will go to to avoid extra interpersonal work
i kid you not i will actively attempt to prevent a problem from happening by steering the conversation or lightly planting ideas when talking to people
to the point that (i admit) it might be more work than if i just let the damn thing play out
because despite my dislike of feelings (and people sometimes) that Fe decides to stick its head out and make me feel morally responsible to do something about the problem
quite annoying when i’ve got other problems going on
as much as i’m sure hyunjae cares deeply about his members, at least a small part of him is doing it because it literally just causes fewer problems to deal with it then than in the future
like *ah, i can tell them to be careful of their image rn and avoid press and the emotional turmoil that will follow later*
that kind of thing
citing that tertiary Si
as stated earlier, the most convincing argument for him being a ENTP is his developed Fe
on the flip side, not being able to find a tertiary Si
i’ll make this argument the most with Ni, but introverted functions are, by nature, harder to spot
the energy goes inwards not outwards, one of the biggest gripes that i have with people is (i’m an entp if you haven’t figure it out) that they underestimate my Ti
when i’m around people i’m using that Ne/Fe
Ne’s spewing off crazy ideas and Fe is a carefree child getting excited by Ne’s suggestion to get ice cream at 2am
they don’t see the Ti
(listen, i would love to nOt use personal anecdotes but i have no other way to explain the mess of connections in my head so you’re welcome)
the most obvious Si to me is his love of iron man
the dude LOVES iron man, and we love him for it
but entps don’t get attached easily
to this day i don’t have a “quote” to live by or favorite movie
him latching on to a character and having it inspire him since he was a child points towards a tertiary, rather than inferior Si
child being the key word there
the only way that my Si manifests when it comes to being sentimental/holding on to the past is with tangible things
my favorite type of sushi, the brand of pens i’ve used for years, the coffee drink that i order at every single shop no matter what (oops)
i said earlier that my Si was developed, it is, but it was such a conscious decision and awareness for me to do so
it doesn’t change the fact that it’s an inferior function for me
hyunjae is very open about his love for iron man, hes attached to past things and ideas
they bring him comfort and inspiration
i believe hyunjae said thank you for inspiring him since he was 7/8?
and entp wouldn’t be using Si like that so young, but an intp? that’s a different story
enneagram instinctual variants/stacking
jae has a SP/SO instinctual stack
i’m not even going to put a disclaimer cause hes textbook tbh
what happens with an SP first instinct is that you are so incredibly stringent with your time and resources
sometimes this gets over-written when in an especially good mental state or when the SP feels they have enough resources
but in general its a “me first, i’ll deal with you people later”
you know those air masks that airplanes have and the “if you have a child secure ur own mask before helping them”
same premise
in a SPs head their wellbeing is more important than others because if they aren’t functioning then how the hell are they supposed to help other people
even a super introverted ENTP (i’m talking about energy wise not cognitive functions) SP instinct or not, is going to be as quiet and, dare i say awkward/uncomfortable in social situation the way that i’ve seen hyunjae be
anecdotal evidence
i have never met an entp that would describe themselves as shy
ambivert? maybe
introverted? also maybe
but shy isn’t usually in the repertoire
this person (here)
said that they have never seen an ENTP look as out of place as hyunjae does sometimes, and honestly? i would have to agree
with his members the Fe is blatantly obvious
but you put him in a new situation?
hes not reading people and opening up like an ENTP would
you give an ENTP about 30 mins and a conversation in any environment they’re gonna be talking to the person about their wedding and three dogs
hyunjae just... doesn’t do that?
in the millennial video jae says that hes the one who will stand up for someone
sometimes to the point of it being detrimental to him
real talk? a SP ENTP would not be doing that most of the time
because it better be a real big thing for me to actively put myself in a bad position for you because then its more work for me personally
Si in the tertiary spot does the same thing that Fe in an entp does
it goes “i know what to do, but the question is will i chose to”
sacrificing his own comfort for someone else’s is both growth in Si (being pushed out of comfort zone causes growth) and also a misuse if it causes him to neglect his own needs
he said that one of his problems is being too blunt and his words being taken the wrong way
entps are calculated
tertiary Fe means that they’re very liable to misuse it (ie manipulate and lie their asses off for fun, which granted, is entertaining sometimes)
when an ENTP decides to say something blunt they know the general outcome of their words
how it might be taken, what will happen afterwards
in essence “you have to know the rules to break the rules”
and damn is that true
when an entp says something rude (or even something that could be perceived as rude 8/10 for this one lol) 9/10 times its so fucking intentional
like i cannot emphasize how intentional those decisions are
if we’re even somewhat familiar with the person involved we know what buttons to press and which ones not to
its when we make the conscious decision to press the button
last one here
you know that tiktok dance challenge for cosmo?
the dude is SHY
i do believe that he hunches over when his turn is done and attempts to avoid eye contact with everyone lol
during the group dance he legitimately stands behind juyeon, doesn’t dance, and then shuffles back off camera
its really an argument against tert Fe here because when put in an uncomfortable positions ENTPs will usually push it off with sarcasm/use Fe to show their discomfort
their feeling goes outwards towards other people while jae doesn’t do the *pushing vibes off self into the room* thing that i’ve found to be common with entps
wheww that was a lot
so have an analysis that nobody asked for… i spent so much time watching hyunjae today and i have no regrets
tbh i really do respect him as a person and this is all speculative/what i’ve deduced from information
quick reminder that this is all for fun and entertainment, and the reality is we don’t know our idols in real life ! !
any time that an idol chooses to open up is a real gift, especially because they don’t have to. they do it as a gift to fans.
i’ll write a long ass thing later about me speaking in definitives but always having the understanding and belief that it is my opinion and not fact
ie when i talk about astrology but don’t even know where i stand on belief but i do use it as a method to categorize and understand people
can we all just take a moment to think about how YOUNG all of these idols are?!??
when i start to think about ages i’m actually very aware of ateez and the 99 line, skz and nct 00s, pentagon and seventeens 98 line.
subconsciously i know that most of skz is ‘00 line and also that ateez is mostly ‘99 (which to this day messes with me just cause of debut and idk, skz members seem older than atz members cause they’ve been in my brain longer 🤷🏻♀️) i also know that you have ‘00 line of nct (and younger, jesus) the ‘98s in pentagon and svt but like...
my brain doesn’t actually comprehend any of this until i go, wait, shit. holy fuck. jungkook is a 97. the man is 23. i’m sorry.
how long has this man been in the business??
by the age of 21 he was part of one of the world’s biggest boybands. (yes i know they debuted in 2013 but they blew up a few years ago)
at 19 hongjoong was literally leading internationally known bands with giant ass concerts in multiple countries. he feels eons older than me when in reality i have friends who were born in 98.
these idols are under a microscope. anything and everything they do is being watched, and can be used against them. but they’re human. and they’re SO freaking young.
at 19 chan had a 14 year old to handle. not just handle, but lead while being under constant scrutiny from netizens and their company alike.
jeongin (i.n) FOURTEEN and you’re performing on stage while the world watches. skz wasn’t the most popular group from the start but when you come from jyp you’re gonna be watched no matter what.
idk. just.
it is truly unfathomable to me how much these idols have accomplished so young. it is mindboggling to realize that people 4 years younger than you currently are putting in the 18 hour days and the brutal dance practices.
at 14 i would have been destroyed trying to do everything that these idols do. i truly don’t think my mental would have handled it. but they’ve been doing it since younger than that. pushing themselves to the breaking point just for the chance to debut and follow a dream.
at 19 i know what i’m doing. its writing a post on tumblr about kpop idol ages lol.
this has now turned into an incoherent ramble (as my posts often do) but i just wanted to take a moment, even just for myself, to really process just how young all these idols are.
