Imagine making up lies about Yamcha to make Vegeta (who was currently evil) look like a better person.
The same Vegeta who Future Bulma lied about to her son because Vegeta was very evil and uncaring.
The same Vegeta who would have let Bulma and his own infant son die if Future Trunks didn't save them.
The same Vegeta that Bulma knew was so evil that he definitely went to Hell as she lied to her son about there being good in Vegeta.
(Vegeta first began to change from evil to good after he spent 1 yr training in the Room of Spirit & Time with Future Trunks. And Vegeta gained some respect for his son from the future after he attacked him when Vegeta was helping Cell achieve his perfect form. Future Vegeta never changed from evil to good because he never had a "Future Trunks" to be the catalyst of his change.)
All of this evidence and yet DB fans continue to lie about Yamcha. They go along with the lies that Bulma told Trunks, even though he found out the harsh truth; his mom slept with an evil man and lied to make her son think better of herself and better of his evil father by telling her son that Yamcha was a cheater.
Even if Yamcha was a cheater (evidence shown in the manga reveals YAMCHA IS NOT A CHEATER) does that mean Vegeta was "better" than Yamcha? NO. Vegeta directly threatened to kill Bulma multiple times, commits genocide, & his ultimate goal was to kill Goku then the others in his way. Then his future self died an evil man while the present Vegeta got a chance to change thanks to Future Trunks.
Is being a pure evil murderer really better than being an alleged cheater? Present & Future Vegeta killed Namekian children in the last arc & only didn't continue to kill ppl on Earth because Goku was stronger than him with SSJ. Then, Present Vegeta was going to let his own son and baby momma die, & he then put the world in danger just to stroke his Saiyan pride.
Yamcha was nowhere near as evil as Vegeta was nor did he ever cheat.
Meanwhile, Yamcha wanted to marry Bulma and was sad after he found out she had a child with their 100% still evil enemy who threatened all of their lives (& recently threatened Bulma's life) and Vegeta was partially responsible for most of the Z Warriors deaths. And let's not forget that...
Yamcha was the one to tell Future Trunks that his father cared for him.
Trunks began to despise his own father, but Yamcha is the only one who told Trunks about what Vegeta did; That his father did actually care about him. Why? What did Yamcha have to gain from it? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Yamcha just wanted Trunks to return home happy. Yamcha literally helped bring hope to the future. Yamcha even made Future Bulma (who lied on Yamcha) feel better about herself when her lie to make Vegeta look good ended up being barely true in an alternate timeline.
Why do so many ppl hate this man?
EXTRA BUU SAGA STUFF:
And let's not forget how Yamcha tried to save Bulma's relationship in the Buu Saga.
Dude moved on from her and now just wants to help out a friend. A friend who was so extremely depressed to the point she fainted in disbelief that her husband killed hundreds of people (and almost her too) just to fight Goku.
Yamcha tried to fix Vegeta's sins & he did. But many in the fandom still spread the lie that Yamcha knew Vegeta died & he made a wish to only bring back the good people so that Vegeta would stay dead. A blatant lie. Goku told Yamcha, Bulma, & the others that Gohan & Vegeta were dead AFTER they made the wish.
Stop lying on Yamcha. Y'all gotta be obsessively jealous to keep lying about a good man.
Folks wanna blame Chi-Chi, but it ain't her fault that Gohan likes books. He was super intelligent at a young age and she just encouraged and helped his growth the best she could so he can have a successful future. That's his human side. Ppl forget Gohan isn't full Saiyan, so he doesn't like fighting like most Saiyans do. He likes his books.
A JOURNEY TO THE WEST REFERENCE:
And an interesting lil tidbit here is that Gohan is a mixture of Sun Wukong & Tang Sanzang. Sun Wukong was a fighter while Tang Sanzang was peaceful. This is why Gohan doesn't like to fight, but when he turns SSJ2, his Saiyan side that loves combat takes over. Also, Tang Sanzang was a scholar, so that's why Gohan is one too. Gohan is literally a mixture of both characters.
Dude... I saw some lil meme post on YouTube about DB fans, then I looked at the comments. Ppl started bringing up Krillin just to lie and insult him.
This guy in particular is completely wrong and barely anyone checked him.
Krillin was NOT turned into a complete joke. He played a brief comedic role like Gohan, Piccolo, and almost every other character did in the film. Then Krillin had his moments where he was more effective on Cell Max than other characters like Gamma 1. (Gotenks was the one who turned into a complete joke)
18 did NOT clown on Krillin for the entire movie. She thanked him for saving her, she put her arm around him to hold him up when he was tired, 18 tried helping him when Krillin rushed in to help Gotenks, and at the end she briefly argued with Krillin about arresting Gero's grandson then had a tug of war for Krillin with Gamma 1.
Krillin was NOT just running and hiding. He stayed out of the fight at first, then he jumps in to fight an enemy that the two strongest (Gohan & Piccolo) were having trouble with, he saves his wife by hitting Cell Max with a Kienzan that pushed it back when most attacks the others did prior just deflected off of the kaiju without pushing it back, he blinded Cell Max so that Gamma 2 could land his attack, he drop-kicked Cell Max, he helped Piccolo hold up Cell Max's foot by using all his strength and is shown to be exhausted later when 18 puts her arm around Krillin to help keep him up, he is the reason Orange Piccolo grows giant, he rushes in to save Gotenks despite having used up a lot of energy & he starts attacking a powered-up Cell Max again. Krillin didn't join the battle right away, but when he did join, Krillin put in work!
I don't care to correct ppl like this person & others by replying to them. They deflect when something is said about their favorite character or about how fans like them behave. And they usually deflect by lying about Krillin and Yamcha. They are choosing to be stupid because they know they can be. Some ppl like to be arrogantly dumb. I say let disingenuous ppl be stupid & delusional. They are a waste of time, energy, & space. They are worth nothing. We can briefly talk about their stupidity amongst ourselves, laugh, & move on.
Funny at times. Not funny at times. A lot of negative portrayals. Those kinds of jokes were already present in the fandom, but DBZA multiplied these inaccuracies & lies. Not to mention many in the fandom take DBZA as "canon" & that's where things get real dumb.
But I'm tired of the bad dad Goku jokes, the Krillin owned count stuff, and the Yamcha hate that was increased from it within the fandom. Even voice actors for the English DUB started calling Goku a bad dad & that Piccolo is Gohan's real dad recently when promoting DBS: Syper Hero. And Christopher Sabat voice who is also a voice actor & dubbing director has openly shown he hates Yamcha and this is shown when dub lines are changed to insult him.
So overall, DBZA is parody that can hit or miss. But, when it misses, it misses big time. DBZA is terrible when ppl can't differentiate parody from canon because it leads to low IQ knuckle-dragging neanderthals believing dumb memes. Then those people talking to you like you're the dumb one for not believing false information. DBZA just reveals the stupidy in the DB fandom.
I wrote a comic about Krillin x Launch years ago, but I postponed drawing it for multiple reasons. One of the many was that I was seeing if I could build some sort of respect between Krillin fans and Tien fans.
But after reading quote tweets and comments on the new manga chapter draft pages...? They insulted Krillin over and over and over. And used the Krillin hater Toyotaro's crap writing to justify their hatred & obvious jealousy of Krillin so they can spout nonsense.
Screw it. Tien fans are on their own.
I won't be drawing the comic soon, but I would like to make it later this year. Here's the WIP cover from a few years ago that I may end up changing...
It was gonna be good Launch x Krillin since I don't recall good Launch showing interest in Tien, but I think I'll throw bad Launch back in the mix too now & add more of her. The comic was going to be respectful to Tien despite Launch being with Krillin, but I might end up changing that depending on how Tien fans get in the future.
Fans always talk about how Krillin never killed anyone with his signature attack. But, how many enemies did other characters kill with their signature attack?
Tenshinhan's Kikoho or Dodon Ray? Zero.
Vegeta's Galick Gun or Final Flash or Final Explosion? Zero.
Goku's Kamehameha? Once. (Twice in the DBS anime continuity against Freeza & Copy-Vegeta)
Goku's Genki Dama? Once.
Vegito with any attack? Zero.
Gogeta with any attack? Zero.
Krillin's Kakusandan (Scatter Bullet)? Three.
Well, would ya look at that! Seems that most signature attacks in DB don't deal a killing blow.
Many in the DB fandom try to find fault with Krillin not killing anyone with his Kienzan, yet they find no fault with the other characters not killing anyone with certain signature attacks. Interesting... 🤔
And this doesn't include GT cause I barely remember it. I didn't include the Z movies either because they aren't in the main DB continuity.
I will forever find it funny that an artist who always draws Krillin getting cucked once made a poll for ppl to vote who will be the main character who gets to smash 18. The artist put Krillin on that poll (probably as a joke). Ironically, Krillin had won by a great margin. So what does the artist do? They delete the poll and make a different comic where Krillin gets cucked again.
Odd thing, this artist began drawing Krillin with 18, then shifted to cucking Krillin & their audience grew faster which meant more money quicker for them. Seems like they would rather keep cucking Krillin despite being shown that many ppl wanted to see Krillin with 18.
When I say that this is purposeful how nsfw artists and others make sure not to draw Krillin with 18, I mean it. Even when really big NSFW artists draw K18 art, it gets retweeted a lot, but majority of other artists dont follow suit and draw K18. Instead they draw 18 with other guys even more. But if it was Goku and Chi-Chi or Vegeta & Bulma or Gohan and Videl art that a big NSFW artist makes? Then ppl "follow the trend." They do the same when its art of 18 with someone other than Krillin. Ppl purposefully do not draw K18. You can call it a "conspiracy theory" but facts and evidence dont lie.
HOW NETWORKING IN THE DB FANDOM IS USED AGAINST EARTHLING FANS
Warning, this is a long post & will probably upset some Saiyan fans. But this is meant for Earthling fans. So...yeah.
Networking.
That's how they do it.
Ppl want Vegeta to cuck Krillin? Network with ppl who have Roshi cuck Krillin. They use their influence to convince others to do what they like. You want to be part of their group and become more popular? Well, you better draw or voice or write or animate stuff they like. This way they can say "Look what this person did for me. Support them." Then they say to that person "Can you do more of that for me? I'll make sure to get your name out there more."
When ppl network, they often make others feel like they owe them "favors." But they don't always do so when they also have common goals. If they dont have common goals as the ones in positions of power, then they better get in line.
Why do you think a lot of these big DB YouTubers, certain artists, certain voice actors, ect know each other? And why do you think they all have similar ideals? Saiyan this, Saiyan that, make fun of Krillin & Yamcha and downplay anything they do, overhype Saiyans, ect. Ppl who don't do those things, they grow their audience at a slower rate OR they are prevented from growing by the influence of ppl who support Earthling hatred.
The fans of Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, or other Saiyans who want to cuck the Earthlings all do networking. This is part of the obsession with Saiyan males x female characters.
(Personally I view that obsession as the same as the obsession of woman being "blacked" or "bleached" or whatever. The Saiyan obsession is race based and with a superiority complex. So when I see posts like the one linked below... Its literally the same as having Saiyan males with all the women because fans present this idea that Saiyans are superior.)
(Replace "black guy" {or a guy of any race} with "Saiyan." When its a Saiyan, its acceptable. If its not a Saiyan, its bad despite both being nearly identical ideas. Ironic. Don't ppl realize that many Saiyan fans use Saiyans the exact same way? They view themselves as Saiyans and hate Earthling men but desire their women. Its the same as "This race is superior and will humiliate the men of this race and take their women." except now they use a fictional alien race instead of real world races.)
MY RESOLVE
I know some about networking because I've worked in the business. I don't like those kinds of jobs, but I have knowledge of how they work. (I'm sure some of y'all have a better understanding of networking than I do.)
If I wanted to (but I have no desire to do so), I could draw 18 x anyone but Krillin or 18 x Saiyans & grow quickly. Then once I'm big, promote Krillin & K18. But that's foolish. I'd be "cut off" in a way. If I'm no longer producing what the big influencers want me to, then I have lost their support as well as the support of their fans who only like me because of my association with the influencers. Then my most popular art would consist of things that I dislike but drew for clout or money. And cause I understand how networking functions, I wont compromise myself just to gain popularity. I'll take the slow route & make it so that ppl either end up enjoying what I do, or make it impossible for them to ignore it.
WE NEED TO NETWORK MORE
Negative networking has made most of the fandom trash on K18. Big influencers promote Krillin being a cuck or 18 leaving him to be with anyone. And like brainless sheep, many in the fandom follow the "popular" ppl. And then when you try to find art of Krillin with 18, most of it is of him getting cucked or it's art where 18 is not with him at all. They make it so you cannot ignore it. Use that tactic against them. We've had to fight against it for years & have come to understand how it works. Flip that on those ppl who have never battled against that strategy, & they will not know what to do. Besides lie & claim victim as they always do. If not that, they try to silence you in multiple ways. But they do that all the time.
There's a reason why my twitter is permanently stuck on "marked as sensitive." I posted facts about Vegeta's flaws when he was evil, then got a bunch of angry Vegeta stans coming my way, then suddenly I'm permanently on "marked as sensitive." And after that, the angry Vegeta stans don't come around as much. A very odd coincidence. But I've seen crazy Vegeta stans threaten to report YouTubers for making videos that made fun of something Vegeta did. Even saw them threaten to report when a YouTuber simply criticized Vegeta when he was evil. This is how they try to silence ppl who they view as a threat. (Twitter won't help me with this either.)
An illustration;
Because most of the population is right-handed, a left-handed swordsman trains to fight battles against right-handed ppl. But how often do right-handed ppl train to combat left-handed people? Never. And when right-handed people face a left-handed swordsman, they are at a disadvantage despite being the majority.
Those "left-handed swordsmen" are the fans of the Earthlings who endure lies & hate all the time. We know how to fight the "right-handed" majority. Been doing so for years. But we've been doing so separately. But if we were to network amongst ourselves? We can change how the fandom views our favorite characters quicker than we may believe. We have to gather & network. Sure we can take on a bunch of hateful liars without help, but think about a group of "left-handed swordsmen." If 1 of us can take on 100, then 100+ of us can take on 10,000+. Being the underdogs makes us stronger.
We can deal with more than they can because they don't have to fight daily lies & hate.
We can reason better than they can because they have no pressure to be accurate.
But they want us divided so that never happens. They want us to fight amongst each other so that their fight against us can be easy.
Of course there would still be debates between us about which Earthling fighter is the strongest (its Krillin btw 😝) but we dont let that divide us in our goal. Do Saiyan fans let it divide them when they argue if Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan are the strongest? No. Many are still very much united against the Earthlings. We need to be the same, but present logic and rationale instead of lies.
Ppl will tell you as the have told me "Why dont you just stop talking about Saiyans or Vegeta and just do your Krillin stuff? I hope you lose everything!" The reality is that they are fearful. Because we speak truth and facts about the characters while they build fanbases around lies. We can easily tear down the lies they built. They want us to be peaceful while their side keeps attacking without mercy. Only a fool remains peaceful.
But if you are a K18 fan, Krillin fan, Yamcha fan, or Earthling fan who doesnt want to meet their "sword" with another "sword" and would rather use a "shield" then, that is fine. Your positivity without combat is also required. What good is a soldier if they do not have ppl to equip them? To help them strategize, to build defenses, to give them knowledge & intel, to motivate them. Not everyone has to fight or lead publicly. Some can lead behind the scenes and fight by continuing to post positivity about the Earthlings.
My only regret in "going to war" against Earthling haters is that it may ruin some friendships I have with friends who love the Saiyans but wish the Earthlings nothing wrong. But fans of Earthlings and fans of Saiyans are not on the same playing field. And until we make it so that were are on the same playing field, some friends will be lost if they refuse to understand logic & reasoning. But if a Saiyan fan understands you? They are a reasonable person but will be considered a "traitor" by the Saiyan stans. They must make their decision. You must make your decision.
I've made my decision, and I still have some of my friends who Saiyan fans. I lost one in particular who claimed they were tired of seeing Krillin in hentai all the time. They said that they did not like Krillin x DB ladies, only if Krillin was with 18. But oddly enough, they enjoyed art of Saiyan characters x 18 and other women. I made sure the friendship ended peacefully, but it ended nonetheless. They had some sort of misinformed bias against Krillin. I dont know where exactly it came from, but I've spoken with popular & influential ppl who inaccurately & purposefully claim that there is more hentai of Krillin with DB women than Saiyan characters & that 18 is not the most used female in DB hentai. Those ppl play victim and poison the minds of others with their lies and use their position of "power" to do so. I've fact checked them and all they can do is deflect because they know they are lying. But their lies have already influenced many.
WHAT WE CAN DO...
I have a lot of ideas, so I'll be reaching out to certain artists I respect to get comms done. I can't draw it all myself 'cause I dont have near enough time. I'm also turning my comic ideas into fics that I can draw later.
But what can we do as a community?
Build a respect for your fellow Earthling fan before you build a trust. Trust without respect can be easily broken. If a fellow Earthling fan doesn't make themself deserving of respect, then leave them be.
Come up with ideas together (as some have reached out to me & I with some of them). This strengthens the respect and trust.
Work together with other Earthling fans who will help make those ideas a reality.
Help promote each other's fics, art, blogs, videos, ect. (Best way to get me to help promote something you've done, then DM something you want me to reblog.) (I'll try to do better in this regard to promote others.)
Give each other corrective criticism when needed and realize that not all cristicism is bad. But if you personally find no use for parts of the criticism, disregard it and continue on.
When an artist cucks Krillin or Yamcha, they will claim to like Krillin or Yamcha in order to protect their butts. But, try flipping their false logic on them and say "You like (insert Saiyan characters here) too. Now cuck them in your next one like you did with Krillin/Yamcha." And keep doing so often. They will either try to find a way out with excuses, refuse, or give in and do it. Then we just keep pressuring them to do so more often. They are weak to pressure if enough is applied. Pressure to be popular is one reason why they cuck Krillin & Yamcha. We just need to do so in our favor. If they like Gohan or Vegeta like how they like Krillin or Yamcha, then why dont they draw the Saiyans getting cucked? Why don't we just apply a little pressure and see what happens? 😉😈
Have each other's backs in disputs if possible, but try to remain more composed than your opponent. But if a Saiyan fan is too ignorant and too stubborn to believe reality, dont waste your time & just leave. No reason to prove your point to someone who denies truth. They are a waste of your time and energy. Let your "opponent" stay wrong sometimes. Most of the time they just want to fuss. A correct person doesn't need to argue if they've made their point clear.
Make sure that you understand the Earthling characters as well as the Saiyan characters. You must know your "enemy" to defeat them. (Which is why I have informative posts about Saiyans on my blog instead of only Earthling information. Knowledge is power.)
My personal addition is our alliance of Earthling fans would exclude Roshi & Oolong fans. And even certain Mr. Satan fans.
I use actual character traits to make my comics and art believable to combat the hatred towards Krillin. They base their cuck/NTR stuff on lies. If we make any stuff where the Earthlings cuck/NTR the Saiyans, then we base it in truth. Lies attract eisier, but truth is undeniable.
Sidenote; Aint it crazy how Saiyan fans will work hand-in-hand with certain Earthling fans who make content of Roshi, Oolong, or Mr. Satan cucking Krillin & Yamcha? (But more often its Krillin.) This is a clever tactic. How so? They promote the idea that Saiyans are stronger and superior while working with people who promote that extremely weaker characters both cuck Krillin & Yamcha. They have managed to weaponize Earthlings against Earthlings for their own gain. They mind little if it effects their favorite Saiyan character so long as it greatly & continuously damages the reputation of certain Earthling characters. (Its a "Do more art of Krillin & Yamcha getting cucked by Roshi & Oolong instead of Goku & Vegeta. Or better yet, since we're friends now, do more art of Saiyans cucking Krillin & Yamcha. You'll have my support and the support of my fans.")
Because of this, I plan to exact some sort of justice through indisputable facts. Examples being that Roshi is an extremely elderly man who likes getting beaten up by weaker women & watching women he's attracted to be with other guys; (a masochist cuck with E.D.). Oolong would rather peep instead of engage, & the girls he kidnapped made him their servant; (a submissive cuck). Mr. Satan is a coward who is easily turned into a "bitch" by anyone slightly stronger than him and will do whatever they say as he quickly became Majin Buu's servant without even being threatened; (can also be described as a submissive cuck). The battle-addicted Saiyans are built for battle instead of pleasure (small penis size like the primates they're based off of) and prefer combat over family as they gain pleasure from fighting & will leave their wives alone for a loooong time; (NTR anyone?).
All of what you said are very good points & I know exactly what you mean. It's so weird because Krillin scenarios are easy to write, yet maj
°Twitter link that explains more of my thoughts.° 👇
EVENTUAL DISCORD SERVER
I do plan on making a Discord server. That way us like-minded individuals can converse and work together. But one of the rules would be to have some sort of respect for each other. Aint gotta always agree, but if we respect each other, we can still get along and build towards our goals. Keep it as civil as possible amongst ourselves. Many Saiyan fans want us to fight amongst ourselves to make their job easier. Dont give them what they want. And I'm sure some of us in the server will hate Saiyans while others will like them but are tired of them being worshiped because of lies and other dumb reasons. I may have to make a specific channel for ppl who want to vent about Saiyans. We'll figure it out as we go. All in due time.
Also gotta think of a cool name for the server that represents the Earthlings. "Earth's..." Idk. "Defenders of Mankind." Too much? "Earthling Defenders." Maybe? "Earth's Genki Dama." Might be better.... Kinda creativity bankrupt at the moment 😅
