#dog-fight

[kidsviral-blog]

Huge, Conflict-Avoidant Dog Plays Dead To Avoid His Tiny Pal's Wrath

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Huge, Conflict-Avoidant Dog Plays Dead To Avoid His Tiny Pal's Wrath

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There are very few people in the world who enjoy conflict.

Fighting and being at odds with someone is uncomfortable and stressful, but it’s part of life. Sometimes, when I’m disagreeing with a friend, I just want to lay down and stop thinking about it until the issue goes away.

This enormous Newfoundland does just that when his Pomeranian pal decides to get snappy.

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Watch his face as he “plays dead” to get the excitable floof out of his hair.

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Let’s face it. We’ve all been there, but I think we’d all like to be the third dog in the corner who just stays out of it. Much more rewarding.

Read more: http://www.viralnova.com/dog-plays-dead-wrath/

[notapitbull]

This fight could have been broken up quickly and safely with a break stick. Instead these guys lay on the dogs, block them with wood planks, and try to pry the jaws open bare handed…

NAPB:

I’ve seen this one before. Can you imagine how quickly this fight could have been broken up if someone had a breakstick?

[notapitbull]

My dogs got in a bad fight help !!!!!!!!!

  I really don’t like using examples like this to make a point because I know the owner is hurting, but this just goes to show you that even if they “remain calm” every other day, a fight between two bully breeds should never come as unexpected, and you should always secure them properly.   Part 2: http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php/131480-My-dogs-got-in-a-bad-fight-help-! Owner still says it’s got nothing to do with the breed.   “If you tell a man there are 270,678,984,341 stars in the universe, he will believe you. But if you put up a sign saying “KEEP THESE DOGS SEPARATED, OR THEY WILL FIGHT”, that man has to make a personal investigation"

[notapitbull]

How would a fight between a CAO and a pitbull work out? Just wondering. What dog breeds could be "competition" against the pitbull?

 CAO are face and scruff biters, APBT are neck, chest, ear, and leg biters. A fight between CAO is more like wrestling than anything else, and a fight between two Pits is more about holds and shaking. The way they were bred and fought is a little different as well and this would affect the outcome of a fight between them.In a fight between CAO, there are various rules like:- “During the fight the dog starts fighting with wolf’s style of fighting (bared teeth, cross stabs with teeth, frequent minor bites) - in this case the dog is announced defeated for cowardice”This is not true with a fight between two Pit Bulls. It doesn’t matter how a dog fights in an APBT fight.- “One of the rivals begins whining, yelping or squeaking - in this case the dog is announced defeated for sensitivity to pain”APBT often don’t make any noise at all during a fight, and don’t yelp or squeak when in pain.- “One of the rivals draws in its tail”This is not a disqualifier in a fight between APBT. The CAO and the APBT were bred for different purposes as well, with the former not being bred for gameness like the APBT has. I don’t believe that the CAO has as much gameness as the APBT. CAOs were bred to attack and kill wolves if need be, but a wolf is not as much of a threat as another dog of the same size and strength, which is why the matches between the dogs even occur.Of course, of a CAO were to show any sign of fear or weakness, backing down in a fight against a wolf would probably end in sheep being eaten. The APBT has been bred to ignore all pain and injury no matter what, and to stay in until he wins or dies (the latter being extremely rare, as the dogs are picked up from the fight before then). The size of an APBT would be an upper-hand as well. As previously stated, CAOs are head dogs and are pretty tall. An APBT could get a chest hold and would hang in there - it wouldn’t be a fair fight at all.There have been accounts of APBT defeating Tosas in this manner. I can’t really think of any dogs that would be fair competition against an APBT except for maybe a gamebred Staff.This is being answered in a purely hypothetical situation based on my knowledge of the two breeds, and is not meant to support or encourage any form of bloodsport. (Similar to the “which animal would win in a fight” arguments on different forums.)

[notapitbull]

Do pit bulls fight a certain way? Does their fighting style differ from other breeds?

 Some dogs develop their own tactics, yes. Some dogs are “ear dogs”, others are “stifle dogs”, “face dogs”, “chest dogs”, “leg dogs”, etc. Some dogs prefer a certain hold and will always go for that hold whenever they get the chance. Some of them are barnstormers who will go in really heavy, others take it easy and go slow. Dogs who have “wind” or “good air” are dogs that will go in a fight for a long time and pace themselves so they don’t become overworked. Some dogs have “hard mouths”, some are “soft-mouthed”; dogs who are “hard-mouthed” will bite extremely hard, a “soft-mouth” dog can still be a good fighter but aren’t normally quick finishers like a hard-mouthed, barnstorming dog. Even if a dog bites really hard and fights full-out, he can be defeated by a dog who can withstand the fight and take him down when he’s tired, so the general good “match” for a fighting dog is a dog who bites hard, goes hard, but lasts a long time - it’s hard for dog-fighters to get all their ducks in a row, and it requires a lot of breeding and matching. Some dogs have their own fighting techniques and I would definitely say that the fighting style of an APBT is much different than other fighting dogs. An APBT will get a hold and stick to it, even if they’re underneath the other dog (chest dogs, for example). Other, larger breeds like Alabai and Tosa are heavier and their fights simply don’t last long - their fights aren’t a match of holds like an APBT fight is, but they can still get the job done. (It’s due to this that some believe the Tosa Inu isn’t a gamedog, because it’s impossible to test the gameness of a dog without actually pushing it to it’s limits. There’s been stories of APBT who have defeated both Tosas and Alabai (CAO, Central Asian Ovtcharka), so there’s definitely something special about the APBT as a fighter.

[notapitbull]

fleshcircus:

I would say they are. They’re tested for gameness in fighting and tested for their original purpose of guarding livestock. Different LGD breeds have varying degrees of aggression… CAO tend to be considered one of the most aggressive of the bunch. Also consider the fact that they will take on anything regardless of size and have been known to fight to the death.

Good breeders test for working temperament though and don’t so much look at fighting abilities. From what I know about the fighting dogs, they don’t actually cause a whole lot of damage to each other (these days, anyway). I’ve seen loads of pictures of different landraces fighting, though all much closer to the Alabai, most of which never even have a drop of blood on them. I’ve heard from a few different sources that they’re more concerned with fighting style and being able to keep the opponent down rather than causing significant damage or killing one another, so thats something to consider.

Its a confusing breed to talk about because there are so many variants and so many bred for different purposes and even things like prey drive drastically vary within the breed. For example in Gampr there are variants like Hovashoon and Sovorakan.. and within certain variants of even the same breed you have varying degrees of drive too. They’re such a primitive breed thats been modified in so many different regions for so many different purposes its hard to say anything with absolute certainty and LGD owners all have something to squabble about. The only thing that ever seems to be in agreement is their working abilities as LGDs lol

 Yeah I have to say I agree as well. I don't know much about Caucasian Shepherds but I do know a lot about Central Asian Ovtcharkas and their history in dog-fighting.  I think any dog who is bred and used to fight (and kill, if need be) another animal who has the ability to do an equal amount of damage would be considered game, so I think this includes CAO/Alabai/Kuchi. "I’ve heard from a few different sources that they’re more concerned with fighting style and being able to keep the opponent down rather than causing significant damage or killing one another, so thats something to consider."  This is correct. With the APBT, the desire is on fighting technique and the ability to make the opponent quit while hanging in there and not quitting yourself. With Alabai, the dogs are fought with the purpose of testing their ability to fight-to-kill another dog. You won't see many scars on the legs like you will an APBT because the fighting style is different.  With APBT, you'll usually come across certain "types" of dogs, like "head-dogs", "stifle-dogs", "ear-dogs", etc. Non-lethal holds that a dog prefers that can aid him in subduing his opponent.  With Alabai, it's mostly face and neck holds (holds that would aid him in killing a wolf or coyote or whatever). Dogs who are not game will wimp out and run away once hurt by a wolf, so I think that they're game because they're bred to ignore this pain, like an APBT. Though the fights between Alabai are nowhere near as long as fights with APBT, and there is no "dead game" or "scratch-and-turn" fighting with Alabai. If an Alabai "curs", he loses the fight, end of story. Here's a video example of an Alabai fight: http://vimeo.com/27277256

[notapitbull]

 An example of how NOT to break up a pit fight. I don't believe the guy in the beginning has his thumb up the dog's ass, I think he's pulling onto the dog's tail to hopefully cause discomfort and make the dog let go. However, the thumb-up-the-ass thing is an actual myth and there are people stupid enough to try it.  What we see here is not one, not two, not three, but FOUR idiots, plus one additional one with her own "reactionary" dog standing feet away from a dog fight.. INCORRECTLY breaking up a dog-fight. Three people on top of two pit bulls that are not letting go, nobody has a fucking break stick, and the most they're doing is saying "no, stop it", "let go". That might work with a fucking lab but it's NOT going to work with a pit bull.

 This video shows just how determined these dogs are to fight. Once you've got a fight on your hands, it's literally a situation between life and death for one or both dogs. Most dogs will get into a scuffle and back off after a while, but NOT pit bulls.  The safest way to get two fighting dogs apart is to (if you can) rope a leash around one dog's neck, drag him, and tie him off to a fence or tree. If the other dog is fighting and not just being attacked, you need to leash him and use a breakstick on him or the dog who has the hold. Seperate both dogs and secure them both IMMEDIATELY or they WILL fight again if they get loose. If the second dog is being attacked and not wanting to fight, pry the attacker off and bring the attacked dog into a secure area. If the attacking dog gets loose, he will attack the other dog again. Don't do none of that grab-the-hind-legs bullshit, that will NOT work and you're opening your dog up for an even more severe attack if he slips and falls and exposes his throat/belly. NEVER STICK YOUR HANDS IN THE MOUTH, NOSE, OR FACE OF THE DOGS LIKE YOU SEE IN THIS VIDEO. These people are complete fucking idiots and are begging to get their fingers bitten off. "Put your fingers in their nostrils" is an incredibly stupid, dangerous method of breaking up a dog fight. Remember that dog-fights are always easier to break up if you have more than one person, and each person can grab a dog. Hitting a pit bull in the head will not work. I've seen videos of these dogs being smacked with baseball bats, trampled by horses, hit with bricks, punched, slapped, it does nothing to them so don't bother. If you don't have a breakstick handy.. first of all, wtf are you doing? Second, you can use a tent peg as a temporary, make-shift break stick.

[notapitbull]

Can you go into more detail about this "professional" dog fighting vs street dog fighting?

 ”Street-level” dog-fighting is dog-fighting done mostly by teenagers or young adults in the city. They seek out these dogs because they think of them as “tough” and like the image of dog-fighting. They most often get and breed APBT that are poorly bred and don’t really know what they’re doing. These fighters are the ones who believe the “bait-dog” nonsense, the ones who believe in “gunpowder and cocaine” myths, and the ones who kill any dog who loses in a fight.When you hear of a starved dog in a dumpster, electrocuted to death, shot with steroids, or a dog who was killed in the pit when he should have been picked up, you can put your money on it being a street-level dog-fighter who did it.Street-level dog-fighters also can’t shut the hell up that they fight dogs. You’d expect criminals to not announce their crimes, but not these idiots. They practically brag about it with neon signs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDMUDSU7uQ Ever since the animal rights/animal welfare groups started stating that dog-fighters use “bait dogs” or “bait animals” to hone their dog’s fighting skills, people (street-level dog-fighters) started grabbing dogs out of backyards and putting them in a pit with their dog. This is not how you train a fighting-dog, this would be like me training Tito Ortiz to be a good fighter by having him beat up a 10 year old. As Richard Stratton (an ex-dogman) said:"The big question to me was: where did the stories begin? Were they all the product of some humaniacs overactive imagination? To be fair, and I am always leaning over backwards to see the other sides point of view, a Chicago reporter reputedly got an interview with a supposed dog fighter who told of using kittens in onion sacks as bait for fighting dogs. He even talked of de-clawing the kittens so that they wouldn’t hurt or discourage the pit dogs. You have to know these dogs to appreciate how ludacris such a story is. Here you have dogs that will kill a porcupine, absolutely disdaining the flailing tails with the quills, yet we have to de-claw the kittens so the dogs won’t be afraid to attack them." A dogman, or “professional dog-fighter” is a dog-fighter whose entire life is dedicated to dog-fighting. Many of them were introduced to dog-fighting when they were teenagers and own/breed/fight dogs for decades. These are the dog-fighters who live out in rural areas with hundreds of dogs. Professional dog-fighting is extremely underground, they have their own magazines, papers, pedigrees, social groups, and generally know most other dogmen in the game and most dogs.It is extremely hard for animal cops to raid professional dog-fighting rings because they’re so tightly knit that you can’t even get the address to a fight without knowing someone for years who knows someone else. These fighters often don’t go by their real names, either and they know the animal cruelty laws like the backs of their hands. Because dog-fighting is a felony pretty much everywhere, they will shell out the cash to actually fly to Japan and other countries where it’s legal, just to fight their dogs, also selling dogs to dog-fighters in these countries overseas. While street-level dog-fighters do tend to know "Cajun Rules" of dog-fighting, many of them do not follow any sort of rules and believe that the dogs are killed in order to win. This is not the case with professional dog-fighters. For pro dog-fighters, these dogs are not only a hobby, but a profession and a source of income. Why would you let a dog die in the pit if you knew he’d make you loads of cash?These fighters follow the Cajun Rules and so their dogs are not shot and thrown in dumpsters or thrown out in the woods somewhere when they lose a fight, like what happens amongst street-level fighters.Professional dog-fighters don’t breed for appearance and so you won’t really hear terms like “blue-nose” or “chocolate” amongst them - “blue nose pit bull” is street-level stuff. The animal cop tactics about “bait dogs”, and breaking sticks being “dog-fighting paraphernalia” do nothing but hurt street-level fighters and responsible owners who use break sticks. Their tactics don’t even graze professional dog-fighting. It’s on such a massive scale that it would be like trying to stop drug cartels by fighting people selling crack in the city.