#game bred

[pvncat]

[notapitbull]

Is gameness and prey drive similar? Or is there a difference?

 There’s a big difference between the two but they often go hand-in-hand.If we look at the Patterdale Terrier, we know that this is a dog who was bred to attack small game (foxes, badgers, that sort of thing) in their tunnels. The Patterdale has to go into badger tunnels, grab the badger and pull him out or kill him right in the tunnel if he can. Badgers are vicious animals that do not fuck around. They’re extremely strong, fierce, and could kill a dog with ease.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK9ADFGEP-YThis badger didn’t feel like sharing his food with a fox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZkuMfQdHUNow imagine that, plus a dog, inside of a tight tunnel in the dark, underground.Needless to say, a dog needs to have a shitload of guts to be able to do that. Most dogs with high prey drive are the terrier breeds who tend to be game (and that’s for a reason), but for the dogs who have a high prey-drive who aren’t game, like a Beagle, a badger ripping into it’s skin would send the dog squealing out of the tunnel.A Patterdale Terrier possesses both extremely high prey-drive (desire to go in and attack the badger) as well as gameness (won’t back down, let go, or give up even when it’s being attacked), and this is what makes them great terriers. To sum it up: both gameness and high prey-drive are needed in a terrier breed. A terrier who has high prey-drive but not gameness won’t last long inside a tunnel, he needs to be game to do the job.

[notapitbull]

You state that it is only the dogmen who own genuine purebred, pedigreed APBT. Im curious, What is your definition of "gameness" and "purebred" ?

 That’s not what I said. I said that most purebred APBT are owned by dogmen, and people associated with dogmen. The people who go to ADBA shows are more “family friendly” but are still usually dogmen. Not all of them fight their dogs, many breed for sports and shit but a big part of ADBA shows are the confrontation aspects, where two (leashed) dogs are faced one another and their aggression/shows of wanting to fight are judged.

 Gameness is a trait that a dog (of many breeds, usually the terrier breeds) can have that is defined by the desire to continue fighting or trying to achieve a certain result despite being on the losing end or having the odds stacked against him. A dog pulling 3000lbs of weight and it’s clear he’s moving an inch a minute and is going under huge amounts of strain but is not giving up is “game” IMO. A terrier who goes into a fox den and gets chewed up by a fox but will not back down despite being bitten up and bleeding is “game”. The APBT ignores all feelings of pain and fear and continues trying to achieve something (winning a fight, pulling weight, catching a fox, whatever) over a long period of time, this is not something that your average dog can or will do. Most dogs when faced with adversity will back down and give up, this is not true with gamedogs.

 A good example of gameness would be if we were to compare gamecocks with regular roosters. Roosters will kick and squabble and one will back down once he decides that the pain is more important than continuing the fight. Gamecocks will ignore this and will literally kick each other to death, they will never back down even if they’re crippled in a fight. An example of gameness in APBT are when dogs have broken forelegs but still continue to scratch.Because gameness is a trait in bloodsports, it’s hard to find an example of gameness in a dog that isn’t fought, but the best fitting one I can think of is in weight-pull. Purebred means a dog who has ancestors that are all the same breed of dog in it’s lineage.

[notapitbull]

Yo what do you think of Turtlebuster blood?

 Don’t really know much about TB, sorry! I do know that he produced Gaine’s Fargo (2XW/1XLG) POR, and some crosses with TB blood made great fighting dogs in the past, like when bred with Jeep/Redboy or Redboy/Jocko dogs. Aside from that I don’t really know about it.