Hello icon ive been seeing you cook in the conformitygate tag 🤭 I’m on the verge of being convinced of ur stuntdouble theory (mike with the flare gun is NOT my son.) but do you maybeee have some more examples/screenshots? :3 im so invested!!
"You idiots! These are not them! You've captured their stunt doubles!"
No not you OP. But these stunt doubles from 'Spaceballs' 1987.
Ah my fellow stranger things redditors if only you knew what you almost walked into but narrowly missed.
Thank you for the ask! I do feel like I'm going insane seeing no one else talk about this. I've compiled a list of evidence I've found so far. This is extremely likely to be overreaching. I find the evidence compelling but I do doubt that all of it is really relevant. The more I wrote the more I realised how crazy it would be pull this off, so I am starting to doubt. These are just things that I noticed that could fit the idea but it could also be confirmation bias so read at your own discretion.
The idea is that stunt doubles were used throughout the s5 finale instead of the actors sometimes, or even throughout the whole of season 5 to give it that off and uncanny feel, to emphasise the unrealness of Mike's trance. Which means a new real finale could be a possibility.
Before we start I want to remind about this found in r/conformitygatetheory:
The video here has 2 actors pretending to be Derek and Holly wearing the same clothes and hairstyles. Could just be because they are new characters, or it could represent stunt doubles. Also there are only 2. Fits the symbolism of doubles.
The first thing that felt off for me in the finale was this scene. I had to go back and rewind several times because it looks so fake. Let me know if this is how it looks for you because maybe it's a glitch.
Then, netflix posted a picture of a door with the tag @ netflix2 on their story. It led to a random finsta account that opened 7 months ago.
Here is the first post from a few days ago
Their bio is emphasising it is real. They say real twice. Really emphasising it, in the same way a stunt double works hard to disguise that they are not the actor. The fact it is netflix 2 implies it is the “stunt double” of Netflix, alluding to the plot twist. It also has the peace sign symbolising 2.
They closed it again. Refer back to Jamie saying push and pull and how the redditor said they are playing with us. I don’t have proof but I have a small suspicion that the fake hoaxes like the countdown, are actually real, but they want us to think they are fake. The countdown was posted and after a while it turned to this:
Then another countdown was put up and when it reached the 7th January, it turned to this page again. Pushing and pulling. It could just be a troll but who knows.
Circling back to netflix2 on insta. It seemed like a random account but we know it is linked to official netflix. Then netflix2 made a post with a silver cat and some random pictures. I picked the most interesting ones. They are clearly to advertise shows coming up, but it struck me as weird that they look similar together. The same poses or the same coloured clothes. At first, to me it implied real vs fake. Then it hit me that they could represent an actor and their stunt double. It seems purposeful:
More parallel pictures from the post.
We know that the actors wear wigs to get authentic 80’s styles so it would not be hard to give the wig to the stunt double. Many people had issues with the wigs this season. Although some have had issues with wigs in the past so it might not be a clue at all.
Many people were bothered by the clothes too. It could be on purpose to throw off the audience that something is wrong.
People may say that this is nonsensical because there is BTS footage on social media. But have we considered that if they’re willing to do the above, then they would be willing to create fake BTS footage? It becomes even more likely when we consider the final scene between El and Mike. Many people thought it looked stiff. However, the behind the scenes footage shows the actors hugging just fine. The awkwardness was done on purpose to make it feel uncanny.
Notice that the twin brothers are framing them lol.
Then of course no words are needed for how they massacred my boy here:
Sadie Sink had an interview with Jimmy Fallon. They posted a teaser with a Stranger Things vibe. They show Sadie watching well known video clips from the past. One of them is the SNL cowbell skit of Jimmy Fallon and co pretending to be Blue Öyster Cult. They are wearing wigs to look like them which could allude to stunt doubles. Sadie also stares into the camera.
Then recently Finn posted the stunt doubles on his story. Everyone has been dropping hints so why not Finn as well.
One day ago, Max Rackenberg, who acts out Mike as a child, had a picture of him posted in the motion capture room. With the caption:
This led me to think about how they superimposed Noah’s face onto child actor Luke Kokotek for episode 1.
Noah claims that it does look a little bit digital, but it is hard to get it perfect, which does make sense. However, many people thought it had that “uncanny valley” look. I believe that they would have been able to do much better with the CGI considering how they animate the demogorgons. However, I assume monsters are easier to animate that accurate human faces. It did make me wonder if maybe they did it on purpose to tip off to the audience that they are using that technology.
Combine that with the fact that Millie Bobby Brown’s stunt double is in the first episode, pretending to be El. The military are chasing her and capturing her and they say “it’s not her, it's a burnout.” I still can’t figure out what they mean by it being a burnout btw. We get no explanation of how she is related to the characters and we get no mention of her after this. I believe it is to tip the audience off that something is afoot.
If the new episode comes out on the 12th January, this also feeds into the stunt double theory because in 12 we have 1 and 2. Each character has 2 actors. This one is a bit of a stretch but I thought I’d add it anyway.
Doubles for T-Mobile Ad. Not completely unusual but thought I'd add.
If you type in stunt doubles into r/StrangerThings you get a lot of posts who pick up on stuff but they brush it off.
There's a lot of evidence but as I said it is a reach. If you have any more evidence you wanna share, feel free to add on or send to me if you want. I think this is a fun idea even if it's not true! What do you think?
This is gonna be long and very doctor who centric but...
About “saving” someone(’s mind?)
[editing this in april to add nuffit’s bandersnatchgate related theory that made me think again about this post, while this comment’s thread made me realize that there are quite a few more Doctor Who episodes that i could quote that remind me of conformitygate related stuff (Bill Potts being turned into a cyberman—The First Cyberman—in World Enough and Time + The Doctor Falls and Last Christmas—which apparently was influenced by Inception and Alien’s facehuggers), not for proof but for... inspiration? + added a lot more pictures, the bandersnatchgate AND the doublegate tags to the post... and fixed quite a few things that were bugging me lol]
“... you will be heroes.”
ok this is the last post I write about Stranger Things x Doctor Who (for now) but when I first heard Henry say that he would have saved Holly’s friends and then her family, the first things that came to mind were DW’s Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead
I kind of ignored the idea because I was (and still am) pretty sure that the Duffers&Co didn’t use Doctor Who as inspiration or reference, but now—after ST5E8—I’m starting to see some similarities again so I’ll point them out (+ yk ,,,, the Library. The library that in ST is the center of the four cracks. The center of the X in Hawkins. The library basement, the place where Will was brought to in S1 and in S5 both times Vecna took him. That library). But first thing first:
The Characters and Locations (DW)
The Doctor & Donna Noble
River Song, The Explorers & Miss Evangelista
The Vashta Nerada
Charlotte Lux / CAL
The Library (both the ud and hawkins. it’s confusing)
What they remind me of (ST)
The Spores and/or Shadow Particles
Henry or Vecna
Max and Holly
Camazotz / The Rightside up
Hawkins / The Rightside up (yes twice. this too is confusing)
The Upsidedown or demos
Silence in the Library (S4E8)
“4022 saved. No survivors.”
The episode starts and we have the Doctor and Donna Noble who arrive on this planet-sized Library, no people in sight despite the fact that the life scanner(?) signals plenty of life forms present. A group of Explorers then arrives, wearing spacesuits (seems a detail but it matters). Among them there’s this one girl, Miss Evangelista, who is mocked and ignored by the other Explorers, considered dumb. The only one who actively tries to get close to her is basically Donna.
The story moves on and the Characters find out that the Library is inhabited, seemingly infested, by these invisible creatures that chase them and threaten their lives—the Vashta Nerada:
from Wikipedia:
“[the Vashta Nerada] are microscopic swarm creatures which, when present in a high enough concentration, are indistinguishable from shadows, and use this to their advantage in approaching and attacking prey*. They are described as the «piranhas of the air»”
*this reminds me of Vecna/One’s monologue in S4, when he says he became a predator, but for good. however, the shadows he uses to his advantage are more... metaphorical?—his preys’ darkest emotions.
These creatures—which I’ve always imagined as some kind of very tiny particles—are invisible to the eye, but live in the air, move and grow in the shadow and inhabit forests. They attack their preys, eating their flesh to the bone, only leaving their skeleton.
“Count the shadows.”
They mimic their pray’s shadow, become a copy of it, which means that a person with two shadows is someone who has fallen prey of these creatures (so a second shadow is a kind of signal that someone’s being targeted, infested, hence the attention to their number). To protect the Explorers from them, the Doctor finds a way to “obscure” their helmets, basically to trick the Vashta Nerada into thinking that the person has already been “targeted” (as said, they hide and move in the dark, as shadows, and to escape them you need to stay in the light). The Explorers’ suits also have these communication devices connected to their nervous system that basically store for a few minutes the last thoughts they had before dying. Some of the Explorers get killed by the Vashta Nerada, which take control of their victims’ suits and chase the others. Among the victims there’s also our sweet Evangelista.
Because of the danger, the Doctor tries to teleport Donna into his spaceship to keep her safe, but something goes wrong:
“Donna Noble has left the Library. Donna Noble has been saved.”
Donna Noble gets accidentally saved. She is no more in the Library... But what does that mean?
Forest of the Dead (S4E9)
Donna is gone, seemingly dead and forever lost, but we later find out that at the core of this Library there’s a massive computer created by one of the Explorers’ grandfather years and years before to preserve the consciousness of Charlotte Lux—his sick little girl, who was close to death. When the threat of the Vashta Nerada originally occurred in the Library, the people who were there tried to escape through the teleportation system, but they were too many and the whole system overloaded so Charlotte (a computer with the consciousness of a child) tried to save them the best way she could and she did so by literally uploading them, like computer files, in what is basically her hard disk drive (which I’ll refer to as CAL), where the minds of all these people are now stuck without even knowing it.
Now let’s ignore the River bit above (sob) and let’s go back to Donna. She also used the still malfunctioning teleportation thingy and so she was uploaded into the system. She now lives in the computer simulation without even remembering how she got there. She finds herself in a clinic and her doctor is Dr. Moon (who serves as some kind of virus checker for Charlotte. He controls the well-being of her system and in the simulation manifests himself as a man, a psychiatrist.
“And then, you forgot.”
Dr. Moon is also the only one aware of the fake reality since he’s not part of it, but can kind of “come and go” and interfere with it—while not even the manifestation of Charlotte is initially “awake”, since she lives in the simulation and therefore thinks she’s just a normal girl in a normal world, watching what happens both in the Library and in her dream world on her TV).
Anyway, Donna Noble. She finds herself in CAL and starts to live a normal life, thinking that it is real despite some “weird” things happening—time and space don’t move normally, one moment it’s morning but suddenly it becomes evening, like in a dream.
Oh and there are glitches, interferences...
Anyway, she recovers, meets a nice man, starts dating, gets married and has children. Just like that. Normal. Ordinary. Everything she wanted (before meeting the Doctor).
“Where’s the face?”
Her mad days with the Doctor are in the past, forgotten, until...
*coff coff* veil = sunglasses /hj
... one day she arrives: Evangelista. She died in the Library but—thanks to her communication device—her consciousness was uploaded and even improved (the computer made her smarter but altered her face—yeah it’s weird but I don’t remember the whole lore about her sorry lmao). She appears one day and leaves a note at Donna’s door, warning her about the world they live in and asking to meet her at the park. They meet and Evangelista explains to her everything, points out all the weird things happening, points out the obvious... and the children.
“Evangelista: The memories are still there. The library, the Doctor, me. You’ve just been programmed not to look. [...] In a way we’re all dead, Donna. We are the dead of the library.
Donna: Well what about the children? The children aren’t dead. My children aren’t dead.
Evangelista: Your children were never alive. [...] Look at your children!”
The children are all the same. They’re copies of the same boy and girl repeated over and over again (*coff coff* like tempered memories). They’re not real. Almost nothing about that world is.
Now...
The rest of the story isn’t of much importance in relation to ST (of course the Doctor and River Song save the day, together for the first time... or the last?), but I found very interesting the concept of “saving”, especially in relation to what Henry/One told El in S4 about the minds of all the people he has killed being in his own.
And he said something similar again to Will in S5E4.
When Vol. 1 aired part of me hoped that maybe a tiny part of Henry Creel was somewhere there, trying to do something good for once, resisting or even hijacking the Mind Flayer. But Vol. 2 and Episode 8 proved me wrong (of course). However, the weird finale brought back the idea of these two episodes of DW, especially the CAL part, even though Charlotte only had good intentions—opposite to Henry/Vecna—and what she did was more of an accident. Unless it was actually Will who, similarly to Charlotte, tried to save everyone (unlikely, I know).
I read this theory some time ago about the Upsidedown spores having a part in what seems to have happened in Hawkins in the epilogue and I kind of agree with that one—I find it hard to imagine that just one of the characters is under the Illusion or Curse. It would make more sense to me if it were the whole town, if it spread like a virus (as in S2) through the spores in the air—like the Vashta Nerada in DW—infecting everybody’s minds without them noticing. In this sense, Camazotz or the Illusion work like some kind of anesthetic, as it was supposed to do with the 12 children in S5. Or what we saw is the result of the worlds (or minds) merging, of the MF&Vecna’s victory. I think everybody might be stuck in the “simulation”, and maybe we—audience, Duffers, crew—are as well, like the people in the Library stuck in CAL, leading an ordinary, calm, normal and even ideal life without realizing that nothing about it is real, and the only “hints” we have are all the inconsistencies we noticed. But who’s gonna knock on our door? Who’s gonna wake up first? Who’s gonna save us—for real this time?
ohh with all this mirrored things and twins and alts talking im thinking again about that stunt doubles theory ohhh why are tv shows theories so entertaining why are weird connections so interesting
Five years ago today…Thursday, September 15, 2011…this is what was going on I’m my life and HERS: Posted on September 15, 2011 by Deborah Boza Valledor
As you can see from this photo SHE caught me red-pawed…I was out of Doublegate and I was up on HER sofa when SHE came home last night…there was nothing I could do but give HER some “I missed you” faces…they didn’t really help me get out of the…
