#earnings gap

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When a company actually underpays workers, it makes the news.

Disney faces mass rebellion from female workers over pay

Almost 9,000 workers at Disney have joined forces for a lawsuit over an alleged gender pay gap at the company.

Google found it was underpaying more men than women for similar jobs

A new internal analysis at Google found that some male software engineers were under-compensated compared with their peers doing similar wor

But if you're going to go, "see...?" you need to know that you're making the same argument as the Xian who says historical record of a local flood is proof of the extinction-level world-wide Genesis flood.

Meanwhile...

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Is the gender pay gap real? Saw Youtubers say that it isn’t especially Pewdiepie.

The Gender Pay Gap is a thing, but it's a nuanced thing.

The current number in the US, I believe, is something like "a straight white able bodied woman makes 84 cents for every straight white able bodied man's dollar."

There are more variables that change this number: race/ethnicity, dsability status, gender presentation, sexuality. For example, in California (after COVID) Latinas earn 42 cents for every dollar a white man earns. There's important nuance here, though, in that this goes for all jobs and all earners. A white male PhD Engineer is compared to a Latina waitress, so these numbers are to be considered in context. The above numbers can be representative of how people of [x] demographic are encouraged/discouraged from particular fields, and how that impacts their overall economic freedom. This is what is called the "Earnings Gap".

That said, even when you control for every variable (education, job title, experience, location, etc.) there is still a pay gap along gender/racial lines in almost every industry. It is almost never as significant as the numbers above, but it still exists. This is the "Wage Gap".

There is other writing on my page related to this, which you can read some of here, here, and here.

Here's an example using somewhat old Data from the UK:

You can see that with the same degree status, age, and experience, male business grads, for example, average 45.1k vs women business grads' average of 36k.

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People always argue about wage gap stuff saying that it doesn't exist and that women earn less because they do jobs that are less physically demanding and such but Don't you realize that's a problem too? An earnings gap is still a huge problem, even if it isn't a wage gap! Does it not scream odd to you that all the more highly paid jobs are seen as men's work? And plenty of women who do work those jobs are treated differently and often worse by their coworkers simply because they're women. In fact, speaking on this very topic, one of my teachers told us a story about when she worked in construction. (She was also a black woman, so she had two things working against her.) The men simply didn't want her help. They refused to let her help them and she ended up just reading on the job because no one would let her do any work. Not to mention the amount of stories I've read of people coming in to auto parts stores, electronics stores, even just department stores and such, and insisting that a man help them and assuming the woman (who is literally trained to know this stuff) won't know how to help. (Plus, asking for a man to come over to lift something, though that's a smaller issue.) Like come on. It is literally their job, they obviously know their stuff. Women don't always just CHOOSE to work lower-paying jobs. It's just that the valuable jobs are seen as "men's work," and women are often discriminated against, or have to prove themselves 10x as hard to get into that field. Men are often shown more respect from the get-go and women have to earn it instead of being believed to be capable of doing the job. It's getting better than it used to be, but it's still a problem. So if you want to correct someone about the wage gap, go ahead, but don't act like there's no problem resulting in an earnings gap.

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In the western world, the wage gap isn't real.

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Unsurprisingly, I see a lot of conversation about the infamous ‘gender pay gap’.

A lot of opinions, and strongly held believes, and plenty of information that is not accurate, or at least… not anymore.

For the nature and shape of the pay gap has changed. And so out of the outrage, garbled conjecture, and political agendas; must come a new conversation that once again asks, ‘why are women paid less?’

Because the truth is, it’s not ‘women’ who are getting paid less, but rather ‘women with children’.

Mothers who are out of work, either full or part time, whose lower income drags the average down - they are a large piece of the conversation, too often missing.

No. Women are not paid less than men, and such slogans belong in the museum, not upon the placards of today.

Now it’s time to talk about parenthood.

To honestly discuss why mothers are paid less than fathers, and ask if this is a result of societal expectations… or women’s own free choices?

Do women want to be part time parents?

Do men? Who wants to work full time at a job they don’t even like anyway?

Do you?

We rightly talk about the price of motherhood on women; but what is the price of barely seeing your child at all?

What is the price of the late nights at work, or early morning shifts; or the second job, to make ends meet?

Also if mothers are to get equal pay, are they willing to share their parental leave with fathers in order to get it?

These are better questions.

And one’s I don’t see asked.

Instead I find the pay gap conversation to be a broken record; that redirects energy from logic and reason, into outrage and anger instead.

Yet another stick to hit ‘men’ with, another patriarchal poster child, and sermon preached from the pulpit.

It is a gap that is never closed, because it is never truly discussed.

So tell me, what’s in the gap?

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Sources:

The Economist, Motherhood Penalty: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/01/28/how-big-is-the-wage-penalty-for-mothers

US Census Bureau: https://towardsdatascience.com/is-the-difference-in-work-hours-the-real-reason-for-the-gender-wage-gap-interactive-infographic-6051dff3a041?gi=2dc24b441466

Denmark Study: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/app.20180010

The Pay Gap Explained, full video: https://youtu.be/hP8dLUxBfsU

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What's in the gap is different choices and different priorities. It's sexist to act like men's choices are the default, correct ones, and if men and women make different choices and get different outcomes, there's a problem that needs to be solved.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18179326/

Abstract Previous research suggested that sex differences in personality traits are larger in prosperous, healthy, and egalitarian cultures in which women have more opportunities equal with those of men. In this article, the authors report cross-cultural findings in which this unintuitive result was replicated across samples from 55 nations (N = 17,637). On responses to the Big Five Inventory, women reported higher levels of neuroticism, extraversion, agreeableness, and conscientiousness than did men across most nations. These findings converge with previous studies in which different Big Five measures and more limited samples of nations were used. Overall, higher levels of human development--including long and healthy life, equal access to knowledge and education, and economic wealth--were the main nation-level predictors of larger sex differences in personality. Changes in men's personality traits appeared to be the primary cause of sex difference variation across cultures. It is proposed that heightened levels of sexual dimorphism result from personality traits of men and women being less constrained and more able to naturally diverge in developed nations. In less fortunate social and economic conditions, innate personality differences between men and women may be attenuated.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27000535/

Abstract Men's and women's personalities appear to differ in several respects. Social role theories of development assume gender differences result primarily from perceived gender roles, gender socialization and sociostructural power differentials. As a consequence, social role theorists expect gender differences in personality to be smaller in cultures with more gender egalitarianism. Several large cross-cultural studies have generated sufficient data for evaluating these global personality predictions. Empirically, evidence suggests gender differences in most aspects of personality-Big Five traits, Dark Triad traits, self-esteem, subjective well-being, depression and values-are conspicuously larger in cultures with more egalitarian gender roles, gender socialization and sociopolitical gender equity. Similar patterns are evident when examining objectively measured attributes such as tested cognitive abilities and physical traits such as height and blood pressure. Social role theory appears inadequate for explaining some of the observed cultural variations in men's and women's personalities. Evolutionary theories regarding ecologically-evoked gender differences are described that may prove more useful in explaining global variation in human personality.

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I feel as though the simplest way to end the wage gap is to fire everyone; therefore everyone earns the exact same wages (zero). For some perplexing reason, whenever I explain this to feminists their first recourse is to point out that unemployment rates would skyrocket to effectively 100% as though I don’t know that.

It’s not hard you fucking dumbasses.

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For many, ground zero in gender equality advocacy is the #genderpaygap.

It’s perhaps the king of all tropes, from which discussion always seems to start, and inevitably returns too.

‘Yeah well, women are still paid less than men!’ You will hear, like some kind of broken record.

And this is true, they are – the average salary for women, is lower than the average salary for men.

But hold off the pitch forks, flaming torches, and cries of misogyny for a moment, as the picture changes if we ask, ‘are women paid less than men, for the same work?’

And to that, the answer is no.

For whilst it’s true that ‘all women’ are paid 16% less than ‘all men’, the gap quickly dissolves and almost disappears completely (to just 0.5%), when comparing women with men working the same job level, with the same function, and at the same company.

So, the better question is to surely ask ‘why are women not working in these higher paid jobs’?

Or even, ‘do such jobs pay less, because they employ mostly women?’

Or perhaps we’re looking at this the wrong way round...

Maybe we should ask –

‘Do men choose more highly paid jobs, because society tells them to?’

Might society’s warped value system of men being ‘the breadwinner’ be what's really causing the gap?

What do you think?

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Special thanks to u/problem_redditor

Korn Ferry Gender Pay index: https://www.kornferry.com/about-us/press/korn-ferry-global-gender-pay-index-analyzes-reasons-behind-inequalities-in-male-and-female-pay

Do Womens Careers Pay less? https://www.jstor.org/stable/24479913

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