#fate agravain

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Sounds more like the opening narration of an old RTS campaign mission like in Warcraft Orcs & Humans to Warcraft III TFT or Zeus+Poseidon.

Who the fuck mentioned Poseidon?

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You know, we never really got an answer to if PHH Morgan loved her children , and vice versa. But... I have to assume she did (with the unfortunate exception of Mordred).

Maybe it’s just the optimist in me, but Gawain, Gareth, and assumedly Gaheris were shining examples of knightliness and chivalry, and you rarely find that sort of personal growth with someone who’s a dispassionate and hateful mother. Even with Agravain’s attitude, he seemed to value loyalty above all else. And, bringing back the Morte D’Arthur, Morgan (or ‘Morgause’, but they’re the same in this context) is the one that scolds Gawain for letting Gareth be treated poorly as a kitchen page, laments Gareth not coming home for a year, and describes the youngest Orkney sibling as her ‘joy and bliss’.

And after all, it was the ‘Queen of Orkney’ Morgan alongside King Lot who allowed all of her children to become knights of Camelot, and Agravain was the only one (that was knowingly) sent as some sort of spy- and in some interpretations, Gareth had expressly gotten Morgan’s permission first.

If we can use how the Lostbelt Morgan treats Baobhan Sith as some sort of basis, where she comes across as cold and distant at a glance, but still possesses such an ungodly amount of love and affection for her- then I can at least make an educated guess.

Maybe Morgan wasn’t the most tactile parent. Maybe she didn’t hug them, or fawn over them, or tell them constantly how much she loved them... but nonetheless, they were her children. Whether for better or worse, they were one of the few people under her domain, and if there’s one thing that Morgan does, it’s protect what she considers important to her to an absurd degree.

This isn’t to say PHH Morgan was a good woman, or even the perfect mother. Agravain certainly painted a hateful picture of her, but he was the only one to do so because he was probably the only one who found himself capable of seeing Morgan’s true goals before anyone else, and hated the idea of being used as a pawn. Still, Agravain’s hatred also applied to Guinevere, and he was afflicted with Madness Enhancement, so I don’t think that it fully counts as a ‘reliable source’- but still one to consider.

Furthermore, there weren’t any real comments and complaints from Gareth, or even Gawain for as long as he’s been an established character. And Mordred’s characterization of her is an image taken from the end of Camelot, where Morgan was at the height of her despair, agony, and madness.

Still, I think that she had the same attitude of allowing her children to become her ‘enemies’ as Gawain did when he considers how he allowed Gareth to become a knight alongside him. If becoming a knight was their fate, and if it led to their fulfillment and happiness, then she had no right to stop them. Not a flippant attitude of ‘it is what it is’, but an attitude of ‘while I may not approve, I wouldn’t be able to truly stop you regardless’.

I really wanted some interaction from Gawain and Gareth towards Morgan in this Lostbelt. Either in a voice line, or in the story itself. Personally, the moment Gareth appeared, I was immediately building theories that she was some sort of ‘construct’ by Morgan, or would be ‘Morgan’s daughter’ in a technical way that explained both her appearance in the Lostbelt and why she was a fairy. And, well, I was wrong- not disappointed by her role in the story itself, but a bit disappointed by how little Nasu used the concept of Sir Gareth being the ‘daughter of the witch Morgan’.

However, I digress.

Morgan was both a woman loved by Britain, and a woman who loved her country so intensely that being rejected by it slowly drove her to madness- and yet she still didn’t condemn it with the work she did as the Queen of Orkney and as ‘Vivian’.

I’m extrapolating a lot, mainly because I’ve wanted Lostbelt 6 to answer this question, and was left with very little answers... but if there’s one thing that was learned from the Lostbelt, it was that Morgan le Fay is capable of- and defined by- love. 

It’s simply the experiences around her that decide whether she expresses that love healthily or not.

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MY KING AND HIS ADVISOR IN THE PLASTIC

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I don’t have the audio for Tristan’s line for Gareth but just letting you know that it’s breaking my heart. Especially since it’s related to Camelot/Zero and the Camelot Singularity.

“……ガレス。あなたもここへ来たのですね──。……どうか、その手が汚けがれぬ様に祈りましょう。……今度こそ、我らが……んっ？ 何やら変なことを言いました。……忘れてください。私も忘れますので“

“Gareth... so you’re here too. Please pray that this time you won’t get your hands dirty. This time, we’re... hm? I said something strange. Please forget about it then... I’ll forget about it as well.”

In Camelot/Zero, Gareth was one of the only knights that sided with the Lion King alongside Tristan, Gawain, Lancelot, Mordred, and Agravain, most likely as a result of her guilt for being unable to help Artoria at Camlann. She ended up becoming so distressed and traumatized by the process that she feverishly washed her hands to ‘purify’ them until her fingers were raw and black. This is important because in Gareth’s legend, her hands were noted by the other knights (mainly Sir Kay) to be incredibly fair, which earned her the nickname ‘Beaumains’ as she trained as a squire under Lancelot and worked as a kitchen page in Camelot.

Eventually, she became so distressed that she ended up sacrificing her life and forcing Gawain to kill her in order to defeat the Crusaders and essentially have him perform a ‘mercy killing’ on his own little sister.

The Chaldean KoTR remember ‘their’ actions in the Camelot Singularity and feel immensely guilty over it, shown in Tristan’s interlude and Gawain’s ‘Nightless Charisma’ buff, which represents how he feels eternal shame from ‘his’ acts in Camelot and the skill is a way for him to burn it into his spirit origin so he’ll never forget. 

So basically, Tristan is apologizing to Gareth for everything she went through in the Camelot Singularity, but she doesn’t seem to remember it as clearly as he does.