#felix discourse

[problematic-fodlan]

I don’t care if people like Felix’s character, but let’s stop pretending his behavior is acceptable because “well Dimitri had it coming”. Felix isn’t like that to just Dimtiri, he’s an absolutely ass to everyone around him, many for no reason (when referring to characters outside of the Blue Lions)

Yes, that’s his character, he’s the tsundere who barely grows outside of his trope. I guess some people find his rudeness “charming” cause it’s coming from someone fictional. To each their own, but people have said it before that Felix gets a pass cause he’s a “good looking” guy.

He says what he says to Ingrid not of disgusied concern. He says it cause she wants to be something he doesn’t believe in. And yeah maybe the Faerghan culture pushes ideals that are no longer helpful to the people, but how Felix feels doesn’t get to dictate how someone else lives their life. Especially when he’s so hypocritical about it.

I could go on, but people wanna stand by this character cause he’s “good looking”, yaoi potential, and sometimes he yells at the lord certain people don’t like.

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[jeweled-blue-eyes]

Hey do you think that Felix kinda gaslighted Athanasia into giving Claude a chance since she was five? Like why is he encouraging this relationship with he knows that Claude abandoned her on purpose and he witnessed him almost kill her? And he was relying on her to "fix" Claude as if he was misunderstood.

And lily too, both kept pushing this idea onto Athanasia when she knew otherwise. I think this might have influence her decision in going back to him when Jennette had suggested she'd go.

I wouldn't call this gaslighting but his support of their relationship definitely influenced her decision to give Claude another chance. It's almost as if Felix cared more about Claude than Athy. Claude has done lots of things that Felix has been ignoring: torturing people, killing the concubines, killing his marriage candidates, killing a marquis for an alleged intimacy with the neighbouring Castorea (Side Story: I Became a Father One Day) threatening to kill others for daring to be annoying or boring. Sometimes Felix objects weakly but then Claude tells him to shut up and he does. Amazing that he doesn’t dare to go against Claude but expects it from child! Athy. Don’t get me wrong I like Felix but the fact that he let LP Athy be executed without a proper investigation and Lily killed alongside her leaves a bitter taste in my mouth especially when the manhwa lowkey ships Felix/Lily.

You could interpret it that way that Felix' top priority wasn't Athy reuniting with her family and having a healthy relationship with them but her healing the bruise Diana left on Claude's heart and the family thing was just a method to achieve that. In the Lovely Princess he was content with Jennette "healing" Claude and didn't make any big attempts to mediate between Claude and LP Athy although he was sad about the treatment she received. In the end it didn't matter who was fixing him.

This makes Felix look morally grey but c'mon the only other explanation I have is that he's stupidly naive which also doesn't fit with his Knight of Crimson blood persona. As Claude's guard and advisor he should be capable of recognizing a person's true nature. Claude never bothered to hide his ugly side from him. In LP Athy's own words Claude has always been cruelly honest from the start. Felix is just that devoted to his master. He was willing to risk Athy’s life to improve Claude’s well-being.

As for Lily: inconsistent character. No one in their right mind would want the child they raised in the same room as the man who murdered a dozen women in cold blood. Felix was friends with Claude and saw him in a good light but Lily was never that close to Claude. She has the worst impression of him, he kills everyone in the Ruby Palace, dumps a child on her and tells her if ever word about it gets out he kills everyone there, and then he appears again wants to play daddy and suddenly attempts to kill his daughter again lol wtf.

If Athy had a support system from the start that wouldn't encourage her to go back to her abuser she wouldn't have gone. Lucas offering to kill Claude doesn't count, he's basically Claude 02 anyway. Everyone she cared about is connected to Claude. If she was losing Claude she was going to lose the others too.

[attackonmuffin]

Something that everyone needs to remember is that Dan and Phil are not politicians or journalists. They are entertainers on the internet. It is not their duty to publicly discuss drama or politics, especially regarding sensitive issues like the one at hand. They often use their platform for good, but it isn't their job to get involved. Accusing them of disregarding racism, especially after Dan asserted that he does not condone Felix's actions and would like to (privately) confront him about it, is downright silly and jumps to far too many conclusions. If they intend to speak up, they will. If not, we shouldn't criticize them for it because it isn't their place.

[botanistlester]

Idk if you want to get into the whole Felix discourse or not but I really don't think that he is racist. I've been watching him for a while now and I think that he just says or does things to try to be funny and doesn't realize until it's too late that he is being offensive. I also think that things just slip out and he should think before he talks. I know that he offended people but he has apologized multiple times for the things that he has said and done. At least he knows that he was wrong.

this is the only thing that i’m gonna answer about the felix discourse bc i REALLY dont want to get involved with it but like i was just talking to my roommate about this and i love talking to her about this stuff bc she is pretty woke about these sorts of things bc she’s jewish and has to deal with anti semantic people all the time and its horrible

so it’s not just that felix is being offensive. it’s that he’s saying racist things, things that aren’t okay to say and shouldn’t be said. it seems that we keep having these issues with him and these complaints and yes, he keeps apologizing, but if he apologizes and doesn’t fix the issue, then that’s where the problem comes from. if you’re truly sorry about something, then you’ll try your damned hardest not to do that thing anymore, but tbh he does problematic things and apologizes then doesn’t fix it.

im done talking about this now haha

[problematic-fodlan]

Yes, Felix has trauma and has suffered like everyone else in this game’s cast. He lost his brother, he witnessed his closest friend snap during a rebellion, he’s disillusioned by his homeland’s culture, and I think it could rightfully be argued he’s bothered by how distant the three of his friends have become.

That’s all well and good, but the reason so many are put off by Felix is cause he’s choosing to be nasty to everyone around him and making his trauma their problem. I know we’re talking about fictional people, but that’s not a healthy way to go about dealing with trauma. It could be argued “it makes for decent story telling and character growth” but it falls flat for many characters cause he doesn’t really change or ever acknowledge himself. (And before anyone else says it, I’m aware there are other characters in the game this happens too)

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[problematic-fodlan]

felix being the only one to "call out" Dimitri's violence is often cited as a positive of the character, when in reality it's part of the problem.

As in, focusing on the worst part of Dimitri (which Dimitri himself acknowledges is the worst part of himself) is exactly what blinds felix to the rest of Dimitri (which is basically all the rest, including his virtues and other, different flaws), which is why he doesn't understand his former best friend.

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[problematic-fodlan]

I think the argument that felix "gets a pass for being hot" is brought up so much with felix specifically because, unlike most characters, felix's personality is actively repellent.

Shamir is the closest thing we have to someone else having felix's personality and she's nowhere near as repulsive as he is.

Instead of being needlessly antagonistic, Shamir actually is someone who "tells it like it is."

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[problematic-fodlan]

Felix isn’t wrong about Dimitri being violent and bloodthirsty. What he is wrong about is that he believes Dimitri can only be one or the other, either a violent beast or a kind prince, which is why he asks Dimitri which one the real him is. They are both a part of Dimitri’s identity. Dimitri may have been hiding his dark side during the academy phase but his kindness and politeness was very much real. Felix thinks it was 100% an act, which is where he is wrong.

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