#fell god

[all-lee24]

Horned Fell God of Flame

[nightmaresyrup]

Still salty about Thorn Sorcerers not dropping their headwear ever!

[val-of-the-north]

"It is done, oh trifling giant. I have portrayed thy people and thine grotesque god as soyjacks and mine army of gold as valiant chads."

Ngl Marika was really cruel when she said that to the last Fire Giant.

[scrapsofdelirium]

I have a theory about the Fell God. I’d always thought they were an Outer God, because of the way in which we see them appear within the Fire Giant. It’s an otherworldly body-snatch kind of influence. Similar to the Elden Ring’s/Elden Beasts inhabitation of Marika/Radagon.

What if it wasn’t an Outer God, but a God like Marika was. A Hornsent who achieved Godly power via the Divine Gate through destruction and ruin - slaughtering the original hornsent ancestors of Rauh as its own sacrifice to the Divine Gate to achieve its godhood. The reason why the Fell God has dominion over the Fire Giants now is because they too once had giant peoples in Rauh (as evidenced by the giant hornsent specimens in the Specimen Storehouse.)

This could be further evidenced by how the Fell God haunts the sagas of the hornsent. As maybe being their ‘mistake’ that nearly led to their entire peoples ruin. And the way the Furnace Icon depicts the Fell God in its Hornsent styled mask, with eight curving (see tangled) horns all around the head. Like a mane of a lion (one of the potential divine beasts of old Rauh.) This could also be evidenced by how the Hornsent reject the Flame of Frenzy completely. It would make sense that they would lead an inquisition against anyone using the power of Flame, if they as a people barely survived the Fell God’s emergence. And the Flame of Frenzy was even more dangerous as it not only destroyed people but also Spirits which at the time of Death Worship were seen as eternal.

Maybe anyone who destroys, or even just interacts with, the Fell God becomes cursed by it. Hence Marika becoming ‘cursed’ with Radagon’s red hair. That’s actually the influence of the Fell God coming through themselves and trying to find purchase.

If you leave this influence long enough, like with the Fire Giants, maybe the Fell God begins a process of conversion. The Fire Giants all supposedly had the second face in their stomachs, which were largely carved out seemingly. Perhaps, given enough time, the Fell God would be reborn through one of them in full. Even the Trolls have their own internals carved out, and a strange stone stake/stone tablet inside them. Perhaps that stake is Marika’s version of Miquella’s needle? But instead of being capable of stopping the influence of an Outer God, it stops the emergence of an influential God.

Marika is said to have slain the Fell God after all. But if she had removed the Rune of Death by that point in time from her Order, would that not grant a potentially mortal God with the ability to avoid Death?

Perhaps thats the real reason why Marika becomes afeared of the Flame again, to the point she seals Messmer away, and Melina is already bodiless and scarred by flame before we meet her.

All this to say. Imagine if we had’ve got a second Elden Ring DLC that focused on the reemergence of the Fell God after Marika’s defeat, and we die in battle against it initially, and are forced into the Spirit Realm of the Helphen to fight our way back to life, following the Lamplight of the Lampwood in place of Grace. A realm that the Fell God had made its own while in its pursuit of reemergence within the physical realm of the Lands Between, and whose influence is everywhere.

Imagine if we got to hear the other side of the story from a cognisant Fire Giant who isn’t anguished by isolation and torturous duty. Imagine if we got to interact with the actual Gloam Eyed Queen, or got to fight her Darklurker style as a secret boss, because of course she’s present in the realm of Death. Imagine if we got to encounter old friends who succumbed to Death, like Rogier, Darian and Fia. Imagine if we got to encounter the Prince of Death Godwyn in all his mermaid glory!!!

Oh what could have been….

[sillovain]

Dredging up the "ER through Astronomy lens" thoughts.

One of the really strange areas of ER lore is "Frenzied Flame + Sun". The FF has iconography that is superficially Sun-like (eg. the heads of the Lords), a corona with a hollow centre (an "un-Sun"?). But the Sun-proper is associated with Life-Order-Fire (at least as a symbol). Connected to Erdtree and Giantsflame, it's image appearing in every main Order-type ending (Goldmask Helm, Dung Eater medallion, Full Cursemark). Both Order and Chaos are Sun-like in some way.

Perhaps you can read into real world Plasma? the original state of matter and the stuff of living stars. In our universe, all the heavier elements are created from the fusion processes of Stars. Objects of primordial plasma turning themselves into the components of a complex universe.

In the ER sense, something about Sun-Crucible orders (and itself is) primordial matter, while the FF melts everything back into an unordered state. The radiant, roiling stuff of the FF is definitely Plasma-like in appearance. Ordering of matter vs. dissolution of an ordered universe. One those of lean into IRL inspiration reads, but seems to work.

[sahashbelvanie]

little fell god sketch

Did a quick sketch of the fell god of flame from ER. Combined his depictions of a one-eyed bearded ogre with the calm face of spiraling horns as known in Hornsent stories.

[randycrocodile]

"Legacy"

Personal commission. Fic related.

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[alberichfanpage]

So, the guardians of the flame of ruin...

We got Fire Prelates, Fire Monks and Thorn Witches. Fire Prelates and Fire Monks make sense to be overseeing the flame, but the witches...?

The thorn witches vex me. They are wearing blood-stained versions of the Guilty Set and the Aberrant spells mention being blinded by thorns and then seeing a Blood Star. Now, the Blood Star could be the Mother of Truth, but we dont find any of these ladies near Mohg, we find them near the Flame of Ruin.

The details we do have about them make them sound like they were punished for a crime (unspecified), but why would they be guarding something so important? Especially if the crime was, say, predicting the Erdtree burning (like mentioned in the some of the Flame spells) and they were "banished" to the forbidden peak? I mean, the staffs they wield resemble a burning Erdtree effigy and the sacrificial twigs. I guess, like the Fire Giant, Marika has a habit of punishing people to be guardians of the thing they were persecuted for, so that could explain it.

In an earlier version of Elden Ring, when casting either of the Briar spells, the Giantsflame symbol would appear, which would actually make them fit a bit better with the monks and prelates they follow around. But since that was removed, maybe they really are just criminals forced to fight for the Monks, equally enamored by the flame. So, does that make the Blood Star... the Fell God? Let me know your thoughts!

I also wanted to talk about the Flame Guardians in Guardians' Garrison. They are also wearing a set very closely to the Guilty Set, aside from the hood. They also have flame spells and carry sticks with fire at the end of it. We find a lot of corpses of the Thorn Witches in the fort. So, either these guys also didn't like the Thorn Witches and their heretical spells... or they are the thorn witches. Or like pre-thorn witch...?

If we take a clue from the Shield of the Guilty, it talks about a maiden who was killed by the thorn spell before being reborn. The Guardian Mask, which the Flame Guardians wear, also talk about rebirth; those who have pacts with the Erdtree have their lives renewed as eternal guardians. Maybe the thorn witches were punished (for whatever crime) and then reborn to serve as disposable flame guardians forced to serve the Fire Monks? We may never know for sure...

The rest of this post is going back to my boy Alberich, who is wearing the Guilty Set. Maybe this is another interpretation of his origin? He was persecuted and exiled to guard the Flame of Ruin with the other Flame Guardians. The crime could have been anything, like the punished prophets who foretold the end of the Erdtree or any origin mimicking the spell-slinging Prisoner starting class.

During his time at the peak, he learned from the Thorn Sorcerers and then traveled with them down to Liurnia where he may have crossed paths with other Roundtable lackeys while searching for Adan?

This could tack on to the beginning of my other Alberich theory post, but with so little info, there is a million different possibilities for the origins of this silly invader NPC. I am just throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks.