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#248 Medusa: Spiritron Dress-Up Gone Wrong, Gone Greek, Gone Gorgonomachy "You didn't knock last time either!!!" Commentary: Medusa's goi

"You didn't knock last time either!!!"

Commentary: Medusa's going back to her pre-Animation Update version of the NP for this one. Yes, that costume is really called that in Extella Link. You can have it with veiled and unveiled modes. It looks pretty okay in combat. This is the last Andromeda/Medusa joke I'm going to make, because so far it's the only other one there is besides the name of Medusa's Blood Fort NP. Still kind of weird. Don't know what Type Moon is telling us, but I thought it worth pointing out one more time. Incidentally, if Andromeda looked just as good in that outfit as Medusa does, then I can understand Perseus jumping off his flying horse to beat down a kaiju to save her despite just having fought the Gorgon. Respect.

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Medusa: Dress-Up Gone Wrong, Gone Greek, Gone Gorgonomachy

Medusa: Dress-Up Gone Wrong, Gone Greek, Gone Gorgonomachy

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"You didn't knock last time either!!!"

Commentary:

Medusa's going back to her pre-Animation Update version of the NP for this one.

Yes, that costume is really called that in Extella Link. You can have it with veiled and unveiled modes. It looks pretty okay in combat.

This is the last Andromeda/Medusa joke I'm going to make, because so far it's the only other one there is besides the name of Medusa's Blood Fort NP.

Still kind of weird. Don't know what Type Moon is telling us, but I thought it worth pointing out one more time.

Incidentally, if Andromeda looked just as good in that outfit as Medusa does, then I can understand Perseus jumping off his flying horse to beat down a kaiju to save her despite just having fought the Gorgon. Respect.

Perseus: I don't whether to find this creepy ... or oddly arousing. Medusa: Well, you will have time to think about it, ... once I bury you six feet into the ground! Perseus: That still won't erase the image from my hea-arghhh!!!

Perseus has got to be my favorite mythological hero. Most interpretations of him I see portray him similarly:

-Hotshot young kid full of dreams and ambitions

-Kills Medusa

-Becomes irreversibly traumatized

-Immediately retires, marries an African princess, and has a shitton of kids

-Names one of his daughters Gorgophone

In many ways he's the polar opposite of Achilles. Achilles was told that if he kept his head low, he was destined to live long and healthy, yet unknown. So he chose to fight in the Trojan war and die gloriously. On the other hand, Perseus got a small taste of heroism and immediately dipped out to become a family man.

I remember much earlier in this thread under another Perseus comic, Orojuice noted about how Medusa, at least in the most well-known Ovidian interpretation, is like a dark mirror of Perseus' mother, who was the reason why he went on the quest to begin with- both women, single mothers who were used up by the gods and discarded like tissue onto some remote island where they could only do their best to take care of their family. Perseus, upon confronting Medusa, is confronting another version of his mother and in doing so is given what is essentially all the power in the world- his world, which consists of just his mother and the island he grew up on. He controls who lives and dies in this world, so who does he choose? Does his mother have any more right to live than this woman who is identical to her? And if they are equal, is it "just" to choose his mother over Medusa because of a personal preference?

I think that comic was posted a couple of years ago, and I've been thinking about it ever since.

Anyway, a while back I used to have a draft of a Percy Jackson fan fiction where the OG Perseus came back from the dead and started dating Medusa while the two of them annoyed Percy (Who he called "Junior" much to Percy's chagrin) like the aunt-and-uncle-young-enough-to-conceivably-be-your-older-siblings that he never had. That part is completely unrelated but I had to get it off of my chest because I don't write fan fiction anymore and will likely never get to talk about the Perseus x Medusa ship ever again. (Some of that may have rubbed off on the servant sheet I made for the teenaged Assassin-class Perseus I wrote about a year ago)

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orojuice op:

I think the theme of most of her abilities is "stanning Perseus".

This feels like it goes beyond something like Artoria Alter naming her sword and one of her attacks after her deadbeat sister and uncle respectively.

I mean, Medusa even dresses like Andromeda in Extella Link. That's just WEIRD.

I do appreciate that Medusa Lily adheres to the "[NOUN] of [NAME]" Noble Phantasm naming theme that her sisters do.

Commentary:

A slightly more uplifting Perseus comic after the downer from yesterday.

I know Medusa seems pretty chill about Perseus, but if he ever showed up, the indignation at being defeated by not a glorious hero like Heracles or a devious rogue like Theseus, but by an actual, unironic momma's boy would likely resurface.

The second panel is from the Extella games. More on that, later.

The Pegasus bit I didn't mind since it does come out of her in some versions of the myth if it isn't an outright gift. Blood Fort Andromeda itself, I didn't think much of at first; I just thought it was kind of like how Artoria Alter named her sword and one of its attacks after her deadbeat sister and uncle. But then, something happened that caused me to look back at all three versions of Medusa we have so far.

For one thing, her Lancer selves use a version of Harpe, the sword/scythe which he used to kill her. Then, her Gorgon/Avenger persona uses Pandemonium Cetus as a Noble Phantasm. Cetus, was the monster that Perseus rescued his future wife Andromeda from. Then there's the aforementioned Blood Fort Andromeda. I'm fairly certain that Medusa neither met nor knew about either her or Cetus. But, well, that might be some Throne of Heroes osmosis in play, and in all her selves, Medusa has many personal and not named after aspects of the life of the guy who chopped her head off and then gave it to the gods so they could turn it into either a shield or a piece of jewelry abilities.

But then, that something I mentioned earlier happened. For one of her unlockable costumes in the Extella series, Medusa...dresses up like Andromeda.

the link that orojuice put in their comment reddit comment  

Considering Medusa DOES have some sadomasochistic tendencies (she basically admits to getting off on hurting Shirou) and the Nasuverse’s hardcore dedication to psychological projection (seriously, try to name one character who has a healthy self-image that ISN’T a narcissist) there might be some truth there.

I’m imagining a summonable Perseus interacting with Rider Medusa: Perseus: “I won’t lie...if I had known you were this cute and short, our battle would have been even more difficult” Medusa (internally): D-did he just call me...cute and short? Medusa (externally): BAKA!!!

Stheno (smiling coyly): If I didn't know any better, I'd say that you have a crush on this guy, dear sister~ Medusa (blushing): What?! No! Euryale (faking a shocked look): Gasp! It's all so clear now! That's why you named your move after his wife! You want your sempai to notice you~ Isn't that right, dear sister~? Medusa: Lies! All lies! (pointing at the hero) You! Don't believe a single word that these little imps said! Perseus (sheathing his sword and backing away slowly): You know what? I don't think this is working out. I'll just go hunt down some other mythical creature and gift-wrap it for that pompous King Polydectes. Thanks for the hospitality ... erm ... bye? (turned around and sped out of there) Medusa: Wait! No! Come back and fight me! Stheno: Yes, hero! Come back! Our dear sister isn't finished with you yet~ Euryale: Indeed! She has a lot of tricks she hasn't shown you yet! You didn't get to see how flexible she really is~ Medusa/Gorgon (eyes glowing red): THAT'S IT! YOU TWO ARE SOOO DEAD! NOM NOM NOM!!! Stheno and Euryale: ARGHHH!!!

dragonknight1314 said: Another instance why Kratos is Right

And why Percy Jackson series is too forgiving and soft What's funny about this sentiment, and all the stories that aim to bring the Greek gods to task for their indiscretions (God of War, Blood of Zeus, Immortals, the of the Titans series, etc.) and even more lighthearted fare like Disney's Hercules is that they make for excellent Gotterdammerung targets what with being largely awful, and (THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART) there aren't really any rules as to how their apocalypse should go down.

I mean, there's technically he Gigantomachy, but Heracles bails out the Pantheon on that one. Otherwise, it's free game, and anyone from a bald Spartan to a 20-year old Japanese man/woman who hasn't graduated from high school can conceivably do the job without anyone batting an eye provided the story's done well enough. Or, even if it's not. Marvel and DC keep killing off the Greek gods, and no one seems to mind.

There are no "rules" is what I'm saying. Take, for instance, the Biblical Apocalypse. Oh sure, you might have the layup laundry list of the Anti-Christ and the Four Horseman, but if the Leviathan, Behemoth, Ziz, the leopard-lion-bear, Mother Harlot, and the multi-headed dragon fail to show; a lot of people expecting the full course are going to call you a lazy, budget-embezzling quitter. And a hack.

Then there's the Nordic Ragnarok. Which is much less prone to pedantic nitpicking that the previous example, but that's only because its list is much shorter and more consistent: Fenris, Loki, Jormungandr, and Surtr (and maybe Hela). Which is why Thor Ragnarok is a fun movie, even without the meme treasures it brought, but it's an awful Ragnarok film because Fenris was freakishly small for a wolf that's supposed to devour the sun, and there was no snake kaiju so big that it encircles the Earth. Odin Sphere, in contrast, while having a plot that's very different from anything found in Norse myth, much better Ragnarok story given that all the big showpieces were present and accounted for.

That's partially why I felt a tad disappointed in Lostbelt 2. If it had just been called by a different title, I would've been otherwise perfectly okay with it. Call it "Ophelia" or "Valkyrie Purgatorium" or something like that. But, no, they went with Ragnarok. And that, as mentioned above, comes with certain expectations. Did you want to see Fate's versions of Odin, Thor, and Loki? Tough. Here's the zebra shadow lady from the Shin Megami Tensei games and Brynhildr's bf. Were you excited to fight Fenris or Jormungandr? Too bad. Here is Surtr who is sort of fused with Fenris, not that you could tell, and who doesn't even swing his massive flaming sword that much during his boss fight; we didn't even design legs for him.

So in summary, knocking off the Greek Gods won't cause any complaints regarding accuracy or missing content. You can do whatever you like and whatever you do will live and die by its own merits. That is not to say, that you can't implement new ideas and happenings in an Apocalypse or Ragnarok tale. The Valhalla graphic novel series is as good as it is due to a mixture of the spectacle myth fans came for and the sagas they didn't know they wanted. And for as much as it left out, the Scandinavian Lostbelt also did this. Yes, it didn't give players the chance to neuter a star-munching space wolf, but it did have a calamity to call its own. Until it didn't.

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r/grandorder - The Worst Mother's Day Special Ever Made

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"You're almost a couple of decades late, but hey, better late than never."

Commentary:

At its most base, this comic can be interpreted as the Greek Gods making fun of Perseus for being a mama's boy, but the more you know about Perseus, the worse this comic gets. Have fun.

Sure Perseus' story isn't as action-packed as Herc's, it might not be as big or complex as the Illiad, and it doesn't do anything weird with Danaë for the doujin crowd like Oedipus Rex. But darn it, wanting to protect his mom from being creeped on for the second time has got to count for something.

I'd also argue that despite not being as gory, violent, vulgar, or nubile as other Greek myths and their plethora of reinterpretations and deconstructions, Perseus' story is perhaps one of the most quietly dark of them all. Even putting aside the multitude of perils Danaë went through because of her father and Zeus, the base symbolism of Perseus' quest is rather bleak. In that, to protect his mother, a victim of the carnal attentions and jealousies of the gods, he must slay Medusa, who is herself another victim of the carnal attentions and jealousies of the gods. In essence, he is going to fight and kill an entity that is very much like his own mother. To make the conflict even more wretched, the gods themselves who are indirectly responsible for this coming deathmatch, casually intervene to give Perseus the bare minimum amount of equipment to beat Medusa, who as mentioned earlier, they technically created.

There is also no big confrontation between Perseus and Zeus, no attempts by the young demigod to have his father answer for raining on and then bailing on Danaë. Some may look at this as a plot hole or further proof that Perseus is a poor protagonist who should be drawn and quartered for killing their snake waifu. But honestly, what is Perseus supposed to do? What can he do? A gorgon's tough enough, but Zeus is on an entirely different level. Challenging someone of such divine magnitude would just result in either his immediate death or an insulted Zeus just deciding to not give him any boons; and Perseus needs both his life and that gear to save his mother. You can call this nihilistic or Kafka-esque, but I just hope you recognize what a grim moment in an otherwise straightforward heroic tale this is. No catharsis. No closure. Just an ambivalent universe (or in this case, some gods) being as fickle in giving aid as it is in doling out agony.

But as said before, the sincerity and simplicity in Perseus' motivations for risking his life in a catalogue full of legendary champions who were mostly out for glory, cash, and sometimes gash, is very laudable. The guy should get more credit for that.

Wow, that was kind of dour. Have this hilarious video featuring Zeus and another one of his out-of-wedlock offspring in the style of Hercules Returns.

Perseus (tilting his head): What's so funny, Lord Zeus? Zeus: Huh? Oh ... erm ... nothing. Nothing at all. Just a little inside joke, that's all. Perseus: O ... kay? Zeus: Now, run along and kill the evil Gorgon. Perseus: Erm ... sure. (beginning to walk away but stopped and turned around) Oh yeah, mother wants me to ask when you're coming back. Zeus (raised an eyebrow): ... huh? Perseus: I mean, (setting the bag of items down) she told me that you promised her that you two will be together forever ... and she's still waiting for you- Zeus: I'm gonna stop you right there, junior. I think you're old enough to realize that what your mother and I had was a one night thing only. There's no way I'm gonna be tied down to a mere mortal. Poseidon (whispering to Hades): Not to mention the pain and torment Hera will bring down on him if he did. He he he~ Zeus: I heard that you *bleeps. (turning back to Perseus) So, tell your mother I ain't coming back. Perseus: Very well then, (pulled out a stack of paper and tossed them at Zeus) then these are for you. Zeus (reading the papers): What the ... CHILD SUPPORT?! SHE WANTS ME TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT?! Perseus (shrugged): Well, she had to raise me all by her lonesome self. And we're quite poor so ... (deadpanned) cough up the dough. Zeus (angered): YOU DARE ORDER ME, THE MIGHTY ZEUS, GOD OF SKY AND THUNDER TO PAY YOU?! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO ORDER ME AROUND? Perseus: Me? I'm just a mere Demi-God. I would never dream of ordering you around ... her, on the other hand~ Zeus: HER WHO-(a cough drew the entire Pantheon's attention)-eek~! H ... Hera?! Hera (dressed in an attorney suit): Yes, dear. I'm the Acrisius' legal attorney and if you don't pay them what they're due ... (leveled a glare at her husband) ... then it's gonna get messy. Zeus: WHY WOULD YOU HELP THEM?! Hera: Goddess of Marriage and Family. That, and to get back at that cheating *bleep who left them ... a.k.a. you~ Zeus: B ... B ... But ... ah ... (grinned before speaking in a sweet tone) but honey, if I do that ... then it will affect both of us financially~ Hera (cheery tone): Way ahead of you, darling. Ms Acrisius happily agreed to pay me with 50% of what she gets out of the child support ... which is a lot by the way. So, in reality, it's just you paying your share~ Zeus: ... *BLEEP! (looking back at Perseus and speaking in a high pitch tone) Hey ... junior. Erm ... enjoying that belated birthday gift there? You know I didn't mean anything about what I just said about your mother and I? (seeing Perseus's expressionless look) I meant to call you guys but ... erm ... some stuff happened? And ... you're not buying any of this, aren't you? Persues, Hera and the rest of the Pantheon: Nope. Zeus: ... *bleep. Another instance why Kratos is RightAnd why Percy Jackson series is too forgiving and soft What's funny about this sentiment, and all the stories that aim to bring the Greek gods to task for their indiscretions (God of War, Blood of Zeus, Immortals, the of the Titans series, etc.) and even more lighthearted fare like Disney's Hercules is that they make for excellent Gotterdammerung targets what with being largely awful, and (THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART) there aren't really any rules as to how their apocalypse should go down.I mean, there's technically he Gigantomachy, but Heracles bails out the Pantheon on that one. Otherwise, it's free game, and anyone from a bald Spartan to a 20-year old Japanese man/woman who hasn't graduated from high school can conceivably do the job without anyone batting an eye provided the story's done well enough. Or, even if it's not. Marvel and DC keep killing off the Greek gods, and no one seems to mind.There are no "rules" is what I'm saying. Take, for instance, the Biblical Apocalypse. Oh sure, you might have the layup laundry list of the Anti-Christ and the Four Horseman, but if the Leviathan, Behemoth, Ziz, the leopard-lion-bear, Mother Harlot, and the multi-headed dragon fail to show; a lot of people expecting the full course are going to call you a lazy, budget-embezzling quitter. And a hack.Then there's the Nordic Ragnarok. Which is much less prone to pedantic nitpicking that the previous example, but that's only because its list is much shorter and more consistent: Fenris, Loki, Jormungandr, and Surtr (and maybe Hela). Which is why Thor Ragnarok is a fun movie, even without the meme treasures it brought, but it's an awful Ragnarok film because Fenris was freakishly small for a wolf that's supposed to devour the sun, and there was no snake kaiju so big that it encircles the Earth. Odin Sphere, in contrast, while having a plot that's very different from anything found in Norse myth, much better Ragnarok story given that all the big showpieces were present and accounted for.That's partially why I felt a tad disappointed in Lostbelt 2. If it had just been called by a different title, I would've been otherwise perfectly okay with it. Call it "Ophelia" or "Valkyrie Purgatorium" or something like that. But, no, they went with Ragnarok. And that, as mentioned above, comes with certain expectations. Did you want to see Fate's versions of Odin, Thor, and Loki? Tough. Here's the zebra shadow lady from the Shin Megami Tensei games and Brynhildr's bf. Were you excited to fight Fenris or Jormungandr? Too bad. Here is Surtr who is sort of fused with Fenris, not that you could tell, and who doesn't even swing his massive flaming sword that much during his boss fight; we didn't even design legs for him.So in summary, knocking off the Greek Gods won't cause any complaints regarding accuracy or missing content. You can do whatever you like and whatever you do will live and die by its own merits. That is not to say, that you can't implement new ideas and happenings in an Apocalypse or Ragnarok tale. The Valhalla graphic novel series is as good as it is due to a mixture of the spectacle myth fans came for and the sagas they didn't know they wanted. And for as much as it left out, the Scandinavian Lostbelt also did this. Yes, it didn't give players the chance to neuter a star-munching space wolf, but it did have a calamity to call its own. Until it didn't.