Happy birthday, Stephenie Meyer! ❤️
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Happy birthday, Stephenie Meyer! ❤️
I remember reading that in ‘Forever Dawn’, Smeyer had Renee and Phil have a baby boy. So, while Bella says she’s happy to not have children, seeing her baby brother makes that sacrifice more tangible. She chooses Edward and this life even though she feels a pang of yearning for that baby. Then, when she gets pregnant, her reaction makes a lot more sense.
I wish Smeyer had kept in that storyline in Breaking Dawn. Even just having Renee pregnant at the wedding. I can imagine Bella comparing what she would look like pregnant compared to her mother; thinking about what she’s giving up etc. I just think it would be an interesting addition
“I wrote a sequel first that was called Forever Dawn that was mostly Breaking Dawn without the Volturi, basically. And without the development of a lot of the characters that later…without Jacob. It really wasn’t—it wasn’t the same story. So then I had to go back, and like, let’s build up to that. And that’s how we got Edward leaving in New Moon. [...] [Forever Dawn is] in the Library of Congress. I have a hard copy printed out somewhere. But yeah, no, it’s not any good. Don’t get me wrong, it’s missing all of the things that make it work in Breaking Dawn, like all the development you have to have.”
—Stephenie Meyer on Forever Dawn, 9/11/2025
can i be anon? i think you've said this before but i couldnt find it (hell site search function sucks), but i remembered other day how funny it is that bella's big crisis is 'when i'm a vampire i won't want to sex edward anymore because i'll be so blood thirsty rather than thirsty, so i better have sex with him as a human, even though that has a high chance of killing me' when didn't emmet and rosalie get married when emmet was a newborn? and they were strangers she already knows and loves edward.
Oh, yeah, this was weird for me, too. There's also Esme/Carlisle.
To be fair to SM I guess we don't really know how long it took between meeting and relationships to develop for these couples, but it's pretty clear from the backstories that the attraction was there during that first newborn year for both Emmett and Esme. There's also Bree and Diego, Shelly and Steve, Benjamin and Tia, etc. Plenty of vampires formed couples when one or both were newborns.
I suspect Bella's hang-up about it is more about making Renesmee happen, though. She HAS to have sex with Edward as a human for Renesmee to be conceived, so there has to be SOME reason she's so hell-bent on it, and I guess that reason is she's afraid she won't be in a headspace to desire him that way during her newborn year. So Emmett and Esme can't reassure her, because then the pregnancy won't happen.
Makes me curious how it played out in Forever Dawn. Without New Moon and Eclipse, presumably there was no long back and forth negotiation and compromise about marriage-sex-vampirism in that order. From those who have read it, Bella seems much more on board and happy about the wedding. Was Edward also more chill about the idea of pre-vampirism sex? Was it more like, "oh we'll turn you after the honeymoon so you don't spend it writing in pain" but whoopsie, she got pregnant?
(If anyone who has read FD sees this and wants to fill me in . . . I would love that).
Someone once compared the whole thing to like that logic puzzle where you have to get a wolf, goat and cabbage across a river but can only take one at a time, so you have to do it in a really specific order so that the goat isn't left alone with wolf (wolf would kill it) and the cabbage isn't left alone with the goat (goat would eat it).
Bella and Edward have to have sex before she becomes a vampire so Renesmee can happen, but they also have to have to wait until they are married to have sex because that's Edward's condition.
I'm sorry you can just go to the library of Congress and read forever dawn?? Why has no one here done that yet? If you live near dc you should totally book a slot to read it then tell me everything.
Reading about Forever Dawn and I kind of wish Meyer had included the plot point of Renée’s pregnancy and Bella meeting her half-brother in Eclipse. Her holding him and delighting over him while Edward looks on, heart-eyed and also angsty because that is ~yet another human experience she would be giving up for him. Bella would dismiss it with reasonable rationalizations: It’s one thing to dote on a kid as an older sibling, another to raise it, hell, she’s had even experience raising a kid before, i.e. Renée ha ha Edward, lighten up it’s just a joke and so of course she wouldn’t want to have her own kid so soon, she is too young herself, etc.
But it would show that Bella is not against children per se and foreshadow Breaking Dawn. It would also fit the themes of Eclipse of Bella realizing what she would give up in becoming a vampire—and making that choice anyway. That vision of her and Jacob’s kids running into the woods would gain new resonance and poignancy and double as BD foreshadowing.
me reading bella and edwards plan to go to dartmouth knowing bella's about to find out she pregnant
Damn, someone got access to forever dawn and is planning on releasing it. It was on Reddit.
Color me highly skeptical.
Forever Dawn never seemed to be much more than a concept on Meyer's computer and was notably turned into Breaking Dawn. I doubt a copy even exists.
Further, ah, people on the internet, even on reddit, lie. More, they have reason to do so: don't download strange PDFs to your computers, children, bad things can happen.