AMC The Vampire Lestat (2026) x The Curse of Frankenstein (1957)
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AMC The Vampire Lestat (2026) x The Curse of Frankenstein (1957)
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What I don't get is that she calls them both Byronic heroes. Louis = Byronic hero, Lestat antihero and embodiment of the Byronic hero.
It's actually not uncommon for characters to embody more than one archetype as genres evolve, which is a part of what makes literary conventions so interesting to unpack. After all, in many ways, archetypes are established in a genre's infancy and usually deeply informed by the time period. For a genre to truly survive and move forwards as history does, authors have to find new ways into those conventional story trappings, sometimes through subversion, sometimes through recontextualising, sometimes through marrying new themes to old ones, and its a part of where we get this sort of splintering off of subgenres i.e. gothic horror vs gothic romance, the female gothic vs the male gothic, Southern gothic vs European gothic vs Australian gothic, etc.
Anne started writing these books 200 years into this genre's existence, and one of the reasons her work has become so genre definining is that she both fully embraced the conventions of it, but wasn't afraid to explore those conventions in, well, unconventional ways. A big part of that is that she borrows from different archetypes in ways that are pretty fun - like Louis is basically a textbook Byronic Hero in my opinion, but Anne feels to me very drawn to the Cursed Wanderer archetype which seeps into many of her characters (Lestat, Claudia, Gabrielle, Marius, just to name a few), which in many ways deepens the books Female Gothic themes because the Byronic Hero was deeply and romantically connected to the Cursed Wanderer archetype most meaningfully and influentially in Heathcliff in Wuthering Heights, which was a formative text of the Female Gothic subgenre.
What makes Lestat though such a deeply compelling character on a story level, and truly a genre definining character in broader literary conversations is that Anne really let him be a bit of everything, and as a result, he transcends almost every archetype. I tend to talk about him as a Milton's Satan/Antihero, because I think that his sense of rebellion and hedonism is a key driving force of the series, but I wouldn't say that he neatly fits into that archetype. Yes, he's beautiful and seductive, vain and rebellious, refuses oppression yet is prone to lying to himself, but he's not remorseless, he's not defiant purely for the sake of it, or particularly entitled. In fact, he's deeply emotional, which is a Byronic trait, capable of deep love, and is haunted by past guilt. At the same time, he isn't really much of a brooder, nor is he particularly cynical (if anything, he's relentlessly hopeful) and, as I've said before, he's not really vengeful, all traits that are very much a part of the Byronic Hero archetype.
Similarly though, Lestat's often the Cursed Wanderer, his arc in TVL heavily draws from Gothic Heroine conventions, there are sometimes elements of the Promethean archetype to his character, not just as the creator of so many fledglings, but the double edge of his curiosity that sees him do things like body swapping, and gosh, I was totally delighted when Sam mentioned Miss Havisham a little while ago as the reference for Lestat in the reunion scene, because I've always felt that Swamp!stat in the book was a nod to the Crone archetype, something I felt the show leant into.
It's really like Carol said, in my opinion, Lestat's everything to everyone, and I think he really was especially so to Anne. I think it's kind of why Lestat's had the cultural impact he's had as a character; he is, in so many ways, a complete lovesong to the genre, and I really think that lets him transcend any one, single archetype - he's not a gothic trope, he's really kind of all of them.
Thanks for writing and sharing the gothic lit essay, really love ur thoughts & insights! I enjoy a lot of gothic works and a friend (not very involved in the arts) had asked me what is gothic literature and how do you define or sum up the genre. I ended up mostly describing tropes and Im curious how u would explain What Is the gothic genre in lit
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You're very welcome, anon! And yeah, it can be a tricky one to sum up in a lot of ways, especially as it does tend to be associated more with tropes and a certain aesthetic, but I would say that fundamentally gothic literature / gothic storytelling is about inheritance, legacy and autonomy, and the corruption, perversion and/or destruction of all three.
What that means varies pretty greatly too - inheritance is sometimes purely financial or estate-based (and also what someone is owed), especially in very early gothic literature, but it's also (very) frequently twisted up in, and about inherited trauma, inherited faith, inherited ideas a character must try and grow beyond or with or around, just as legacy often means children (or in the case of some of gothicism's most iconic archetypes - vampiric fledglings or the victims of werewolf bites) or reputation, but it also is vastly steeped in religious legacy (which in turn is usually tied to inherited religious trauma, but also the corruption of religious influence as its own legacy), cultural legacy (particularly in Southern Gothic - Sinners embraced and explored this extremely beautifully, but you also see this with the explosion of Black Exploitation Horror in the 70s which was heavily influenced by European gothic storytelling, from Blacula to Sugar Hill to [a personal fave] Ganja and Hess, and the rich 80s/90s Black Southern Gothic movement with authors like Octavia E. Butler and Toni Morrison). The legacy of place (haunted houses, haunted landscapes, place as something that remembers even when people do not) is also enormously important in this sense.
And, of course, autonomy, which at it's origin point is deeply tied to the gothic genre's roots in early feminism and women's desire for, and concerns about autonomy. I won't go too much into that, as I discussed it in that last reply about marriage, but I will add that it's also inherently present in the genre's fixation on the witch, hag, and fallen woman as a figure, but at the same time, it extends well beyond gender alone, particularly in terms of class, race and sexuality.
All three of those themes generally feature in gothic literature, but they feature in other genres too, and I think what sets gothicism apart is that, as a genre, it's not particularly interested in exploring any of those themes in tidy, moralistic, or easy ways, which is where the elements of corruption, perversion and destruction come into play. The characters who inherit either don't want it, or lose/sacrifice themselves to get it, legacy is generally traumatised, incestuous or forced, or infiltrated, eroded and ravaged, or all of the above, and autonomy is often naively given or insidiously taken, and, only sometimes, really fought for.
Grief usually plays a big role in gothic literature too - I said it in my Bryonic Hero post, but there's a big school of thought that thinks gothic stories are about dead women and the men who mourn them (which IWTV certainly fits into!), but I would say that has it's hooks in all three of those central themes above, even if it does often exist as it's own theme too. After all, Claudia's arc is still, I think, predominantly about her lack of autonomy, her failure at her parents' hands to inherit the body she was owed, and her legacy as Louis and Lestat's lost daughter.
So yeah: inheritance, legacy and autonomy, explored in a million different ways, haha.
That's the genre, in my opinion.
Picking up the modern gothic novel I read at the end of last year and forgetting I’d put a little ear mark in it for my marriage = death post, just because it spelled it out so clearly, so have it now:
I agree with the other anon! The gothic marriage post is amazing. Thank you.
After reading it, I was looking for places where Anne talked about gothic literature, and found this 90’s NPR interview/call-in show she did with Donna Tartt. In theory, the theme is gothic literature, but it really wanders. Which is fun in its own way. https://www.npr.org/1997/10/30/1010888/gothic-literature
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You're very welcome, anon! Thank you for your lovely words, I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Join Ray Suarez for a pre-Halloween conversation with two writers of the horror genre — Anne Rice and Donna Tartt. They'll read from their w
And ah!! As a big fan of Anne AND Donna Tartt that's extremely up my alley and I lowkey can't believe I've never listened to it before. I'm going to tee it up for a listen as I cook dinner, thank you so much for the rec. 💖