#harry hate

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I remember Harry said in BH&G that his sexuality was his personal experience, but if he doesn't want people to speculate about it and wants privacy, why does he do queercoding and why is he deep in gay culture that anyone who looks further can realise he's part of the queer community? Some references are not even subtle, they are obvious. But then he doesn't say the words because he wants privacy. If he is so desperate for privacy, then he should stop all of that expression.

Huh.

So, you're saying that if he doesn't want to explicitly say exactly how he identifies, doesn't want to show the world who he is really dating, then he shouldn't be allowed to express himself at all.

You do realize closeted people are part of the LGBTQ+ community, right? You do realize that closeted people signal their queerness so that they can feel a part of the community even if they're unable to be "loud and proud" to the entire world, right? Queer signaling is a thing. Coded language, clothing, and behaviors have been common amongst the queer community since the dawn of time.

Are you saying he should be forced to come out if he wants to express his queer identity? He shouldn't be allowed to queer code and queer signal because you don't like that a closeted person is doing that? Any closeted person? Or just Harry? Closeting is never the fault of the queer person – but you guys sure to have strange rules around who is allowed the warm embrace of community and who is shut out.

Has it ever crossed your mind that he does it because it's been the only way he's been allowed to show who he really is? Or are you one of those people who think he's just staying in the closet because he only cares about money? Perhaps it hasn't crossed your mind that he's spent the last sixteen years (literally half his life) being told that who he loves, who he is, is wrong. It's wrong; it will ruin his career; it will ruin Louis' career; it will make people hate him/them; it will hurt the livelihoods of dozens – if not hundreds – of people who rely on him... don't you think that telling a literal child this for years would have some effect on them that would take years and years of unraveling. Is there only one type of suffering, one type of trauma, that makes it acceptable to stay closeted and find the right time and way for a person to come out?

On top of this, it's not just Harry who has to come to terms with what all of this means; it's Louis, too. They have to be on the same page. Do you have this same level of dismissiveness for Louis' struggle? Or it's okay that he's closeted because he wears his trauma and closeting in a more acceptable way?

GOLDEN LYRIC CHANGE

"I know that you're scared because I'm so open." "Hoping, hoping, that someday I could be open." "He's golden, I'm hoping, that someday I could be open." "I'm so done hoping, that someday I could be open." "I’m hoping ______ hoping that someday I could be open. I know that you’re scared because I’m still hoping. etc. etc. etc. He also never told people not to speculate about his sexuality and that he wants privacy around it. What he said was:

Around the time of Fine Line, he faced scrutiny around his sexuality. People became incredulous that he wore dresses, waved Pride flags, and yet hadn't clarified with precision, publicly to a journalist or on social media, the specifics of who he'd slept with, how he defined. This expectation is, to him, bizarre, "outdated." "I've been really open with it with my friends, but that's my personal experience; it's mine," he said. "The whole point of where we should be heading, which is toward accepting everybody and being more open, is that it doesn't matter, and it's about not having to label everything, not having to clarify what boxes you're checking."

What this says to me is that he's being himself. Wearing what he wears, waving a flag, behaving the way he does, is just him. He's in the closet, in part, because you all refuse to accept him into your club because he won't perform queerness the way you want him to.

But I'm sure you don't care because you clearly aren't a fan and you're really determined to dislike him and blame him for something you haven't given any thought to.

[antumbrathesilentreader]

To everyone calling Harry entitled, fake, rich and wealthy...

Yes, he is rich and wealthy, and yes he has money. And I am gonna get nothing out of defending him and I usually would just stay silent but not this time. Its you who are entitled.

I DON'T THINK THESE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT LIFE

All the hate because he mentioned slowing down, sitting to have a cup of coffee, "Can't he sit in the UK ?", be thankful that you haven't had to literally inhale food, gulp it in two bites, leave the rest, always see the clock, end up carrying it and return with it still there in a box, cold and sad. Because that is how it is for so many people, and that is why, for us its actually a moment to be grateful for, if we got to sit down and eat, savouring it rather than it being mere fuel.

So many people, students, young workers do it all the time. I remember times from my life, when eating food was never the main task, it was always done passively, put something in while getting ready, while working, just throw it in somehow, while commuting and what not. And slowly went from a foodie to a person who isn't hungry anymore, anytime of the day.

THEY ALSO DON'T KNOW ABOUT CULTURE AND TAKING TIME FOR YOURSELF

Yes, life is difficult, but calling him out on slowing down. Yes he has the money to take a holiday, a lot of people don't have the means, but he literally earned it. Isn't he allowed to use that money and take some time for himself and if he is happy that he did, then let him be. Let him reflect. "Its because he is rich, not because its Italy." Well, a lot of times people just have to take all humanity and values out of situations. People are busy in my country all the time, people might be busy in your country all the time and people might be busy in Italy all the time but there is something called culture. And as far as my experience goes with this, in some places its more common that people are always eating on the go, using personal events as professional opportunities etc whereas at some places its considered rude. There are some places where life just doesn't move that fast.

I remember I was part of a team and we were working on a project and we all were just walking and eating and working and hadn't even finished our food, when our supervisor entered and literally scolded us. Because that is our culture, no matter how important that project was and what the deadline was, food must be respected and in their words, "this is what its all about." So its completely valid to feel something like that in one part of the world and not in others, it might have been Italy for him where he got to experience this.

NO SENSE OF TRUTHS AND LIES

"He deleted instagram, of course he is lying." How do you even know that. He might have, he might not have. But there's no reason I see for lying. Maybe he just felt like staying away from that world and being present in the real world. And I love that for him. And as he resumes working, he might have installed it again. What is the big deal ?

I get this one at a personal level. Because I have never had Instagram. And i was always called out, i was made fun of, people always said that I might be lying, but I wasn't. There is soo much to do, and so much fun to be had, so much life to be lived. But people would know this if they ever tried touching grass. If they tried to stop spreading hate unnecessarily and used their time for something productive.

AND EVERYTHING IS FAKE TO THEM

Everything is fake to them, because they themselves don't know what authenticity is. This interview was so emotional, raw and for me its as real as it gets. To be shown such parts, to know so much about his life, his relationships with work, with himself, his life, his family, friends and most importantly about art. The way he approaches his work, the way the art or music is born out of it being just there for him to express, capture, relive and eventually share rather than to gain something out of it is so beautiful and inspiring.

Go on people, hate all you want, your wish, but I hope you knew more about life. Anyway, I am so happy for him. Part of me healed reading that interview and I feel inspired.

[breefarrow]

I honestly don't understand where the massive online hate for H came from with ppl acting as if he's the worse celeb imaginable even tho most of these ppl have never met H or know anything about him.

[Like calling H a QB saying he needs to "make it clear he's not straight" even tho he's made it clear for years he's not straight they just never paid attention]

Every recollection of someone meeting H or seeing him at some major event is always positive. Same with any celeb who meets him, they never have anything negative to say about our sweet sweet H with this story being another example of that.

Constantly we get told he's "the only one who really greeted/thanked the fans at x event" or he's "the only one who really greeted/thanked the workers at x event" and really being one of the few who greeted and was nice to everyone famous or not at x event.

So seriously, why is H the most hated celeb online ??

Especially when there's p3d0s and r@p3 apologists who have a major platform and are super famous.

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I've read what that writer said about Harry at Matt's funeral and it made tear up. I hate how much people hated him (and still do) because "he doesn't seem affected by Liam's passing" or "he made everything about himself", etc. Like, it really makes me mad because people jump to conclusions not knowing anything about it and making the worst assumptions. Many people don't express their pain in the most explicit way, especially something so hard like the passing of a friend and especially when you've been scrutinized since you were a teen.

Yep. People are truly awful. I actually think Louis hit the nail on the head in the lyric from Side by Side: "You don't struggle in the open."

Harry makes everything look easy. He makes it look like he's calm, happy, has no complaints... but those of us who really see him and really pay attention to the little cues notice his struggles at times. He does a very good job of hiding things.

But incredibly obvious from Harry's songwriting that he feels everything very deeply.

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Honey… the “noise” he’s referring to could mean absolutely anything. The only people who think he means Harry are solos who hate Harry and blame him for any and every struggle Louis has.

The noise I hear is the ten million different things BOTH OF THEM are doing to connect their music together. The noise I’m hearing is solos fighting over who “larriebaits” more, Harry or Louis. The noise I hear is promo for the two dozen or so other albums being dropped on Friday. The noise I hear is all the crap going on in the world that takes our minds off of streaming Louis’ album.

As per usual, his tweet is worded in the worst possible way. But if he meant Harry dropping a single was “noise,” perhaps he should have refrained from singing his praises last week. 🙄🙄🙄

Please give me a break. All his tweet means is PLEASE STREAM MY ALBUM AS SOON AS IT DROPS AS MANY TIMES AS YOU CAN BECAUSE I WANT IT TO DO REALLY WELL EVEN THOUGHT THERE ARE A MILLION OTHER THINGS BEGGING FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

Stop trying to create problems where there aren’t any.

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Hi Gina, I really don't know how to handle all the public attention Harry's getting. I like that people see he's handsome, that he's still the same person, but it's always so much about his looks. It's always "I thought he'd lost his spark," "He shouldn't cut his hair," "He's back to his prime." I'm so tired of it. We have Harry singing "S2WL" at every concert, the Zane Lowe interview, and I wonder if that's not enough? I think the public has once again shown Harry that he has to change to be accepted, because these same people who are praising him called him ugly for years.

Maybe I'm overprotective of this mature 32 year old man, but it just baffles me that people don't understand him. I have a friend who's fascinated by Harry wearing shirts; somehow it feeds into the Harry DILF, Harry CEO, and whatever other labels I've seen on social media narrative. I'm not against someone finding him sexy, I myself think Harry is very sexy, although at the same time incredibly sweet. But when Harry wears that pink top with the ribbon, she tells me he doesn't look good, that she hopes he never wears something like that again. I tell her he looks good, very handsome, and very sweet too, and she keeps saying the same thing. In fact, she even said something about how huge he looks in it in such a derogatory way that I'd rather not elaborate. Just one concert before, she loved him.

I love it when he's clean-shaven, I feel like I can see so much more of his facial features. But sometimes I wish he'd tour with that mustache, because these people seem to never see beyond his physical appearance. It's not something they acknowledge, because they usually include Harry in lists of "men in the industry who aren't held to the same standards as women." I've definitely seen so much hate directed at Harry just for reinventing himself, for how he dances, for his appearance, that I'd be ashamed to include him in something like that.

I'm not a hypocrite, I also notice his looks. But there are so many interesting conversations you can have about him, yet you're more likely to find people talking about his physical and sexual appeal than anything else. Maybe it's my love for him that's talking, but I can't help but be affected by this situation.

I totally get it, love. I’ve really never seen anyone treat an artist this way—he’s hated for everything he does and then everything doesn’t do, so many people feel entitled to criticize every little thing about his personal appearance, and it’s horrifying how so many people express their love for him in such an entitled and conditional way.

That lyric, “You want a piece, or nothing at all” keeps playing in my head. I’ve begun to feel as though what he’s saying is that people only want the parts of him they, personally, deem appealing and acceptable. And if he doesn’t give them that, and only that, they want nothing to do with him.

I’ve stopped reading TikTok comments on any Harry videos. I find them so enraging. And I can barely watch videos of anyone talking about him—so few people seem to even have the slightest clue who he is or what he’s trying to say. Not that I know everything, but in refusing to look at him through a lens of queerness, closeting, and even the possibility of a long term relationship, means you’re very likely misunderstanding a huge part of who he is.