#homerposting

[kaijuerotica]

shanechilles au. call that the ilyad

[glitchedwitch]

lol Antinous is so much lamer in the poem, he's does not rizz up Penelope in any way, and in the scene where he hits beggar!Odysseus there's like 50 full lines of everyone in the house turning around to him and going "dude what the fuck is your problem". Honestly prefer the version of him in nolanmovie where he's a little swag with it

[rolameny]

it's not that i think patroclus and achilles could do scum villain OR that binghe and sqq could do the iliad. but the "sleep in the same bed as your beloved's corpse for five years to make sure it doesn't rot in case you find a way to bring him back to life [also, separately, because there is something wrong with you]" move? yes. yeah. absolutely achilles would do that. i believe in him.

[kaijuerotica]

I've never gotten around to reading the Odyssey bc every time I think about doing it I decide instead to go spend time with my best friend Achilles

[rolameny]

why does Αἴας ὁ Τελαμώνιος, the bigger ajax, not simply eat the smaller ajax

[rolameny]

kris and their SOUL in deltarune work on iliad body/spirit rules i think:

The spirit (psyche) leaves the body at death and lives a shadowy existence in the house of the god Hades. But this bodiless spirit is not fully identified with the person or their essence (unlike the later concept of a "soul"). In Book 11 of The Odyssey, the spirits can speak to the living Odysseus only when they borrow back some physical life by drinking blood. When warriors fight over their fallen comrades and try to recover them from the battlefield for proper burial, the Ianguage does not usually refer to "the body of" Patroclus or Hector, but rather, "Patroclus," or "Hector." Priam comes into the Greek camp, at enormous personal risk, because he hopes to retrieve his son, who is suffering from the worst possible form of disempowerment, unable to move or defend himself from dishonor. Corpses are not relics or husks, but particularly vulnerable people who still want and need the living.

from emily wilson's introduction to her translation of the iliad.

[rolameny]

achilles in book 23 of the iliad:

[lucillewalterblack-main]

my hot take is that we are never going to be able to adapt the Homeric cycle in a way that fully embraces How The Old Greeks Would Feel About It while also being a good story for contemporary audiences, so what we should be doing is embracing the process of authentically adapting character motivations and character attitudes and cultural norms while letting modern sensibilities and morals dictate how we feel about who’s the hero or the villain and who’s a fuckboy and who isn’t. we aren’t ever going to convince modern audiences (or ourselves) of the old values being right (and in many cases I do not agree with Mycenaean and Ancient Greek values! I think their takes were bad many times per Homer reread!) so we should stop trying. I personally no longer care if I’m “supposed” to (for example) see Hektor as heroic. by my own values he isn’t heroic, and trying to convince me that he is will require me to be More Misogynistic in ways I can’t stomach. like to an extent we just have to say “some things cannot be brought authentically into the present” and cut our losses.