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catholics in 1793 be like
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(Thinking about doing a little comic about a silly little love story between Jacques Roux and Widow Hebert let me see if I can find enough material or just invent enough bull shit
Survey: Who is your favorite feminist revolutionary of the frev (or at least someone who contributed to women's rights)?
In this survey, I have deliberately chosen a representative from each different faction.
On the Girondist side: Marquis de Condorcet The revolutionary who campaigned for gender equality, one of the few in his era. He is impossible not to mention in this discussion.
On the Dantonist side: Camille Desmoulins He advocated for the rights of married women to administer their property in 1793. In issue 14 of his journal Révolutions de France et de Brabant, he speaks highly of Théroigne de Méricourt and writes the following passage: "At the request of Mademoiselle Théroigne to be admitted to the district with a vote of consent, the assembly followed the president’s conclusions, thanking this excellent citizen for her motion; a canon from the Council of Mâcon having formally recognized that women have a soul and reason like men, they cannot be forbidden from making as good use of them as the speaker did; he will always make Mademoiselle Théroigne, and all women of her sex, free to propose what they believe to be advantageous to the homeland."
For the Maratist group: Jean-Paul Marat The journalist from L’Ami du Peuple often defended women who were victims of domestic violence, encouraging them to flee their homes and denounce those who abused them. Here is an excerpt from his writings found in the excellent book Madame Marat: A Heroic Life in the Turmoil of the French Revolution by Stefania di Pasquale: "Women are more inclined to tenderness than men. During their childhood, children are expected to oppose themselves to shame, but as soon as they come to the age in which women start listening to us, we hurry to conquer them and to excite their imagination; we focus all of our thoughts to unleash their senses. Hasn’t the time come to create a sweet bond with them? Men have always chosen while women have always accepted! How many foolish parents sacrifice the happiness of their daughters? Forced to yield the object of their heart forever, they become unable to love again, seeing only misfortune in their future." He also defended prostitutes.
For the Cretois group: Charles-Gilbert Romme The revolutionary mathematician, founder of the revolutionary calendar, also worked for certain women's rights. He founded a mixed club with Théroigne de Méricourt, and in a report on public education dated December 20, 1792, he advocated for girls to have access to republican schools. He made the following remark: "They should not be strangers to social virtues, since, in addition to needing them for themselves, they can develop or strengthen them in the hearts of men. If, in the natural and social order, man is called to execute and act, woman, by an imperious and necessary influence, is called to give the will a stronger and more vehement impulse." Although Romme’s feminism had limits, as seen in his statement: "The secondary schools in question are not for both sexes."
For the Robespierristes group: Georges Couthon One of the best-known members of the CPS in Year II, also spoke in favor of women's rights to share property administration in August 1793, as seen here: source. Additionally, he allowed his wife to give a speech at the Federation Festival in Clermont-Ferrand in 1790, before he gave his own speech, as seen here: source.
For the Enragés group: Jacques Roux Here is an excerpt from Markov Walter on this Enragés leader: "All the revolutionary parties tried to involve women, while, with the exception of the Enragés, they sought to exclude them from any real political activity. Jacques Roux considered them the decisive reserve of the Revolution. 'Victory was indisputable as soon as women joined the sans-culottes.'"
For the Hébertist group: Jean-Nicolas Pache This former Girondin minister of the War , who became an Hébertist and later Mayor of Paris, founded the Société patriotique du Luxembourg club, which, according to Louis Devance, "admitted women from the age of fourteen, with the same formalities as men, but their numbers could not exceed one-fifth of the total members; they were eligible for the same positions in the society, excluding the office roles."
For the Babouvist group: Gracchus Babeuf Babeuf wrote a letter in favor of gender equality to Dubois de Fosseux in 1786, as seen here: source. He supported the full participation of women in political clubs and paid tribute to the women of the French Revolution in his journal article: "Women dedicate their entire days to prevent us from starving," and said of them, "But beware, women, whom we have degraded, without whom, however, and without their courage on the 5th and 6th of October, we might not have had freedom!" He even remarked to one of his colleagues: "The advice you give us regarding the role women can play is sensible and judicious; we will take advantage of it. We know the influence that this fascinating sex can have, who, like us, cannot endure the yoke of tyranny and who are no less courageous when it comes to breaking it." He believed that the homeland had everything to gain from exploiting women’s talents in politics.
For the Thermidorian group: Armand Benoît Joseph Guffroy When he is not making false accusations against Élisabeth Le Bas or showing appalling behavior by kicking his former collaborator Marie-Anne Babeuf out after a violent argument, or writing poorly about Lucile Desmoulins and Marie-Françoise Hébert(euphemism) , one can find some quality in Guffroy's progressive views on women's rights. He wrote: "I had proposed to admit women to the primary assemblies, to deliberate on the choice of municipalities, and I still believe that my two separate ballots and my posted ballots would disturb all the conspiracies. If one is wise, one will come back to it; and I predict that we will never have a public spirit, public morals, if women do not participate in the administration as I have proposed. The National Assembly admitted to swearing the constitution, those who were in the tribune on the 4th of this month. Why would we separate them from the public good? The queen promised to raise her son in the principles of constitutional liberty; all French mothers must publicly swear this civic oath: without that, I repeat, no morals, no morals, no fatherland. Frenchmen, prove that you are men, by giving back to your wives all their dignity; French women, prove that you are worthy of giving birth to a race of free men."
Sources:
Antoine Resche
Louis Devance Le féminisme pendant la révolution française
Walter Markov
Stefania di Pasquale
Jean-Marc Schiappa
Charles-Gilbert Romme, "Rapport sur l’instruction publique, considéré dans son ensemble, suivi d’un projet de décret sur les principales bases du plan général, prononcé devant la Convention le 20 décembre 1792"
Thank you @anotherhumaninthisworld without whom I would not have been able to see the writings of Couthon, Guffroy, and Desmoulins in favor of women's rights.
Who is your favorite feminist revolutionary (or at least someone who contributed to women's rights)?
Nicolas de Condorcet
Camille Desmoulins
Jean-Paul Marat
Charles-Gilbert Romme
Jacques Roux
Jean-Nicolas Pache
Gracchus Babeuf
Guffroy Armand Benoît Joseph
how... [beokefeart]
Day 176: Alan as Jacques Roux with a fluffy dog - Revolutionary Witness (1989)
Hi you guys know those enragé guys? Well, they’re at it again. Bread prices went up a bit and they went straight for the pikes. You probably saw them out the window. Citizen Roux seems kinda mad :/. I think your names came up. Pretty publicly unsafe if you ask me.
First of all: this seems like a Committee of General Security problem.
Second of all: because you're sending this here and not to them, I'm assuming they pulled one of their "let Public Safety deal with it" cop-outs. But yes, this does seem publicly unsafe. Especially the pikes. We're genuinely sorry about the bread prices, plenty of folks want to see a maximum imposed but obviously bureaucracy makes that a very slow-going process. If you were sending this a year ago I'd tell you to go to Citizen Marat's, as he gives people free bread (and other stuff) quite frequently but unfortunately... that isn't quite an option anymore.
Sorry, this is kind of turning into a beat-around-the-bush way to say that we don't actually really super know what to do about Citizen Roux. A few people have said he might be a foreign agitator, but it's too soon to tell. If you've got proof, please do send it in, because then he would land in our department and maybe we could give you something more concrete.
I was trying to imagine how Jacques Roux would dress himself in his everyday life before (as a priest working/teaching in Saint-Thomas-de-Conac) and during the revolution (walking around in Paris with his dog) and got curious about how worse off priests dress themselves during the revolution. I’ve only seen drawings of married priests in their yellowish robe… Could you maybe recommend some sources on this?
I’m sorry anon, but I’ve had a really hard time finding anything. I’d figured books about just the clergy in general during the revolution would be something there would exist a multitude of given how essential it is for why things turned out the way they did, but the only digitalized ones I found were the following:
Le christianisme et la Révolution française (1927) by Alphonse Aulard
Le christianisme et la Révolution française (1845) by Edgar Quinet
I’ve tried searching for words like ”chasuble” and ”vêtement” in them but couldn’t find anything. I’m sure there must exist more but for the moment I can’t really suggest anything else. Someone more knowledgeable about the subject is more than free to share what they know.