i've seen takes of people about him not trusting anyone (robert was clearly not a king that jaime felt he could trust; tywin literally just ordered the brutal killing of elia and the children and sacked the city; jaime's court experience did not lead him to trust anyone powerful; ned judged him) and moving wildfire being a logistical disaster in post-sacked king's landing etc. i agreed with most of them.
but to me it's more than that. first, jaime never felt shame about his direct action of killing aerys. to jaime, the world doesn't have to know about the wildfire plot to approve of his killing of the king. aerys was cruel and evil, he violated every law under the sun, so it's foolish of people to judge jaime for killing him, wildfire plot or not.
second, jaime did not really have to answer for his "crime", he's easily pardoned by robert anyways. he never felt the need to tell his story, if anything, he felt the need to keep it a secret.
in another situation, where people treated him differently, jaime might have felt comfortable enought to share. but the situation was all over the place: ned judged him; even the ones closer to him (lord crakehall and westerland men found him in the throne room) didn't really approve of his action; he could never really share with tywin; cersei got married and quickly got pissed at robert, then used him to console herself (cersei was not malicious, but she clearly was stuck in her own misery too); tyrion was a nine-year-old boy etc.
moreover, king's landing was overall not a kind, loving place after the rebellion. the city was just sacked. a new regime was emerging, and people had to build new connections, mend their conflicts with other factions such as dorne or highgarden. robert's victory alone cannot make the realm unite in sugars and rainbows. everybody was busy mistrusting everybody else while trying to maintain allegiances and secure themselves some spot at court. jaime carried the "kingsplayer" moniker amidst all of that crazy fiasco, as a seventeen-year-old angsty teen, i presume that he wished nothing but to fade into the background and be alone with cersei.
but after years and years had passed, why didn't he tell anyone? why hold such grudge with ned stark? well...
third, jaime feels shame about what happened when he was aerys' kingsguard. of course killing the mad king was his best moment, but what about jaime's other actions?
right off the bat, jaime feels guilty about not protecting elia, little prince aegon and princess rhaenys, as demonstrated in his weirwood dream:
<quote>
"And the children, them as well," said Prince Lewyn.
Prince Rhaegar burned with a cold light, now white, now red, now dark. “I left my wife and children in your hands.”
“I never thought he’d hurt them.” Jaime’s sword was burning less brightly now. “I was with the king . . .”
<end quote>
and ned was another can of worms. jaime stood there while ned's father and brother were murdered in the utmost brutal fashion. he tried to tell his story in a nonchalant way to catelyn, because he was a prisoner, in chains and cat was one of his captors. but looking back at his conversation with cat:
<quote>
“They strangled Brandon while his father watched, and then killed Lord Rickard as well.” An ugly tale, and sixteen years old. Why was he asking about it now?
“Killed, yes, but how?”
“The cord or the axe, I suppose.”
Jaime took a swallow, wiped his mouth. “No doubt Ned wished to spare you. His sweet young bride, if not quite a maiden. Well, you wanted truth. Ask me. We made a bargain, I can deny you nothing. Ask.”
“Dead is dead.” I do not want to know this.
“Brandon was different from his brother, wasn’t he? He had blood in his veins instead of
cold water. More like me.”
“Brandon was nothing like you.”
“If you say so. You and he were to wed.”
“He was on his way to Riverrun when . . .” Strange, how telling it still made her throat grow tight, after all these years. “. . . when he heard about Lyanna [...]
<end quote>
jaime egged her on, urged her to ask then told the story anyway even though she stated that she was not interested in hearing. jaime was clearly hung up on brandon and rickard's death. maybe ned judged jaime for standing by when his family died in agony, maybe there were more to it (i could talk on end about ned's judgement bc it's really interesting and complex, but this is long enough as it is).
anyhow, jaime would read ned's judging eyes through his own lense: i stood by while his family was murdered, and it was wrong of me to do so. i killed the mad king afterwards anyway, but i was a craven then, i was too dutiful then, i was wrong somehow then... if only i could...
jaime did not handle the situation a hundred percent correctly, because he's a human and not an all-knowing god who could predict the outcome of the pile of mess that was king's landing. and then he felt regret, he felt that if he had done things differently, somehow, then he could've saved elia and the children and stark's family and all the others... maybe if he had killed aerys then queen rhaella could've been spared from her misery and all the others could've been saved. jaime tried to run away from his guilt and regrets but ned stark's eyes represent his self-judgement. and then he pushed bran aka ned's son out of the window as well. ned stark was kinda the embodiment of jaime's shame, that's why he always bad-mouthed ned stark and his judgement.
because jaime feels shame, he doesn't really want to fully defend himself. maybe people would still judge him for his other wrongs. or maybe, deep down he feels like killing the mad king was not enough, he did not feel especially triumphant, because he could've protected more people if he had done this and that. it's not a healthy mindset, but jaime was never really a mindful self-care type of girlie. he lets his shame eat his soul, and masquerades himself in golden armours - the uncaring vicious smiling knight of his time. that's why he never really talk about it: "The hand that made me Kingslayer. The goat had robbed him of his glory and his shame [...]." jaime lannister is always a complex character. his stint with aerys ended gloriously with him becoming the hero who saved hundreds of thousands of lives. but it's clear that the story was not that simple and triumphant, and jaime can have really complicated emotions about what had happened. even his greatest moment could be depicted as both glorious and shameful. to me, that does not in any way mar his legacy: a vain, empty hero would revel in his victory and never look further than that, but a complex, loving human being would see that things can be "a bit of both".
d&d kinda ruined jaime's character in more ways than once. i'm not gonna talk about "i never really cared about innocents or otherwise" bc that's too obvious. other gripes will be discussed.
eventhough the fight with ned in ss1 was an interesting moment, it also established ned as someone at least on par with jaime, while jaime was literally the best that the continent had to offer in that time. granted, at the time the belief was that ned somehow deafeated arthur dayne, but then it turned out arthur was back-stabbed (leg-stabbed) and killed. then there was the fight with brienne, which was far less extensive. in the books jaime was literally cuffed in a dark basement, he's so gaunt and tired yet somehow the fight was rivetting and romantic and both the opponents were shown to be strong and brilliant.
jaime being good at sword-play is not something to buff his character: he lost his hand afterwards. what's better for the narrative, one of the greatest swordsman of all time losing his sword hand, or some semi-good fighter losing his sword hand? the impact of it all... urghh... i want his lost to be momentous, to be a gut punch like it was in in the books. in the show it was shocking, but it was not as terrible (i read the books after the show ended, so that was my feelings in hindsight. i thought ned was better at swordplay for a few years, when the show still aired).
it's somewhat odd that the show chose to have jaime kill his cousin (or relative) in his attempt to escape robb's camp and come back to cersei. it added almost nothing to the character, for just a fleeting moment in the show, me and many others didn't even remember he killed his relative in such a manner. furthermore, that escape was a fail, so the killing painted nothing but the picture of the most cruel and uncarring man who could do vile things without blinking.
in my mind, i believe the showrunners did not pay enough attention to the way jaime talk (hells, they said samwell tarly was not a pov char eventhough he's one of my faves): in clash, jaime told cat that he cares for no lannister's wellbeing but tyrion, cersei and tywin's. however, in my reading, the scene with cat was one of jaime's lowest moment: he was pissed, living in a damp, dank, filthy dungeon with a pail of shit right next to him; he's not with his family, with his cersei; he's not actively participating in the war - he must've felt useless and hopeless in the dungeon with conflicting news of his family juggled around him (and deeply annoyed too). and catelyn was the embodiment of his guilt, the mother of the child he tried to kill - his deflection game was always strong when it comes to bran ("he spied on us", jaime calling him "that boy" instead of "bran" etc), and the wife of ned stark, the honorable man who dismissed him, the one whose family was tortured and murdered while jaime stood by. it's clear that jaime would deflect and try to make himself strong in front of cat - cruelness is his armour afterall. later in affc, we found out that jaime did care about the others, his uncle kevan who he tried to keep as hand for cersei (jaime warned him ab the hound and the rest, and his uncle thought it was a threat); his aunt genna who he tried to console; his cousin lancel who he knew had slept with cersei (jaime tried so hard to get the guy to eat and to not join a cult); his children tommen and myrc (mostly about tommen, he consoled the boy and contemplated about telling him he's his father, about the implications such confession might bring). it seems to me that jaime only cared about tyrion, cersei and tywin in that moment was because they were actively involved in the war, and the ones catelyn told him were dead were pretty far removed, and not ones he spent time with like genna.
jaime can be extremely cold, esp before he lost his hand (bran rings the sept of baelor bell). but to make him illogically cruel to his own kin was... a choice. like book! jaime would not kill cousin lancel but idk about show! jaime lol. and i liked jaime's scenes with lancel, it showed how hard he was trying to mend the things around him that was falling apart, and it showed that even a toxically "loving" person such as jaime can have a really sympathetic, and realistic encounter with someone who slept with the woman he loved (grrm flexing his writing game hard). jaime's dynamic with lancel shows that he's a multi-faceted character, whereas show! jaime, with his cold-blooded murder of his relative, could never have such a dynamic.
and the "stupidest lannister" thing too. the core of jaime's character is that he's more intuitive and thoughfull than what meets the eyes. but the "stupidest lannister" line is now thrown around in fandom and fanfics to describe him, which was sometimes funny yet really false. jaime boiled himself down to sword and sex, but in his personnal narrative in affc we see a man struggling with his new role as a leader of sorts. he did go through his riverrun arc in the show, but it was not extensive enough to show his more contemplative side, his self-conflict wherein his family is on the line.. he tried to cling to honor (literally, with the horse), and delusionally, with his goldenhand moniker, but deep down, he knows that honor was just a horse.
they cut illyn payne, which was a really interesting character: his personal tragedy made me cry - he cannot speak nor write, a human completely shutdown from the world and utterly lonely. illyn is cruel and jaime's use of him as his personal, silent therapist was without problem, but it also showed that jaime sees himself in someone like illyn, who can never really speak his truth eventhough he desperately wants to. their "dances" could be read as very romantic, i'm not shipping them but through the way jaime see illyn and the executioner's life in his dreary room, we can tell that jaime looks at illyn in a very humane light - an extremely rare thing, since illyn was always reduced to a lowly servant (by aerys, tywin, joffrey) or the embodiment of evil (by arya, i'm not blaming the girl for what she's been through/ and to an extension, the fans - even myself). instead of the addition of illyn to further explore jaime's thoughts (in a form suitable for film), they included bronn bc fan-service. i really enjoyed bronn but after reading the books, i see this as a miss opportunity.
jaime in the last few seasons felt like a tag-along of the lannister regime, always there, doing some bidding... i don't think they know what to do with jaime there, at the end. maybe fans wanted jaime to get with brienne. maybe grrm told them they're gonna die with bricks. i'm not #teambrienne or #teamcersei, i'm #team consistent and logical character development. jaime rode two horses to his agonizing, brick-falling, character murdering ending in the books. i do hope that george will finish the books and give us an ending that makes sense (low bar) for an interesting, memorable, conflicted and multi-faceted character (higher bar).
for all that jaime is a cocky prince-charming-from-shrek bastard in s1, you can already see the cracks in the facade from like, ep3?? when he’s asked by robert to swap first-kill stories, and then he’s inevitably asked about the mad king. robert is battle-hungry and his mind is full of glory and idk, the adrenaline of it all. and he asks jaime what the mad king’s last words were and jaime just says ‘burn them all. the same thing he’d been saying for hours’. and he kills any kind of excited battle-glory mood there was. you can see that even then, jaime was trying to quietly defend himself, that he was well within reason to kill his king, after he had stood by horror upon horror.
Hi guys! So, I am writing this “Lannister Legacy” essay series because there has been so much discussion about the ending of the show and how that applies to the books. It has resulted in what I think are some REALLY bad takes on the book characters. Ultimately, I think this is because the show missed one of the main themes of ASOIAF, and therefore the general "feeling" the audience experienced at the end of the show cannot be the ending to the books:
Love and forgiveness are redemptive, and when you accept it you can transcend the misery of a cruel world. Vengeance and violence are part of a constant cycle and feed one another.
Often when I hear that these books have a grim and nihilistic worldview, a Ramsay Bolton quote from the show is jumped upon: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." While this is quite a pithy and cool line, I believe it casts the ASOIAF as a grimdark, nihilistic tale that has no room for the lighter side of life, seeing little value in love, friendship, and family. I don't think this is the message that GRRM will want to leave us with, even considering the fact he has written monsters like Joffrey, Ramsay, and Euron. Instead, it will come back to the idea that love is the only way to transcend humanity's baser instincts.
To explore this point, I want to look at House Lannister, particularly by zoning in on the four central characters from that family; Tywin, Cersei, Tyrion, and Jaime (in that order). In this essay (because that is what this has accidentally turned into), I will show that Tywin's love of using brutal, fear-inducing tactics against friend and foe alike only brings disaster to his beloved legacy in the long term. In contrast, Ned's balance of love and duty reaps rewards for him and his family. The second essay will move onto looking at Cersei and how her efforts to emulate Tywin ultimately lead to her downfall. The third essay will then explore how Tyrion, while nominally abandoning his father's legacy, actually succeeds in emulating him where Cersei fails, and how this too will see his downfall. Then, in the last essay, I will look at Jaime. Much has been said about his supposed "failed redemption arc" in light of the show, but I will hopefully demonstrate that this is a false assumption. In fact, if there is going to be any hope of some kind of Lannister survival or re-imagining of what it means to be a Lannister, it all rests on his shoulders.
I want to add a quick thank you to @ginmo @janiedean and @chickren, because I read a lot of their meta and it ultimately shaped these essays (especially the later Jaime and Cersei ones).
I hope you enjoy! And... if you did, can you please reblog, because I never appear in the tags!
There’s a cut below because, as we are talking about Tywin, there is a lot of dark stuff being discussed.
Love vs. Duty: The Central Conflict in ASOIAF
“Love is the bane of honor, the death of duty.” (AGOT, Jon VIII).
As far back as A Game of Thrones, George R.R. Martin has posed the central theme that sits right at the centre of the whole series: love is the bane of honour, the death of duty. We, as readers, are meant to view the decisions of characters through this lens and navigate the complex morality of the series through his binary. Duty or love. Love or duty. We see this battle play out in many character's stories throughout the novels, most prominently Rhaegar picking his love for Lyanna over his duty to his wife and queen, which had devastating consequences for the realm:
Prince Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna and thousands died for it. (ADWD, The Kingbreaker).
On the other hand, we have many examples of when characters pick duty, and their actions directly lead to the death of their loved ones: Robb's choice to marry Jeyne Westerling out of a sense of duty directly leads to his own death and that of his mother, Jon's decision to abandon Ygritte in favour of his Night's Watch brothers is the first stone on the road to her death, and Brienne's choice to fulfil her knightly duty and protect her innocent squire from Lady Stoneheart has just put Jaime Lannister in mortal peril.
Yet in spite of this constant push-and-pull between love vs. duty, GRRM makes it clear in the narrative that we should be reading love as the more noble, transcendent concept that lifts people up, while duty is a man-made construct that is difficult to live by. Jaime himself critiques it thus:
"So many vows...they make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Keep his secrets. Do his bidding. Your life for his. But obey your father. Love your sister. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. Respect the gods. Obey the laws. It's too much. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or the other.” (ACOK, Catelyn VII).
Of course, Jaime's cynicism in this matter is later challenged by Brienne of Tarth's idealism concerning her knightly vows, but his point stands regardless. Honour is a societal ideal consisting of thousands of internal contradictions, just like honour codes in real life societies; everything from medieval chivalry (which emphasised fair treatment to a knight's social equals but did not give a damn about peasants), to bushido practiced by Japanese samurai (which sometimes resulted in ritual suicide to facilitate a restoration of "honour" and the avoidance of shame). In contrast, in A Song of Ice and Fire, love is presented as superior to our societally imposed honour standards. It is transcendent, universal, and even redemptive. Here is Maester Aemon again:
"What is honour compared to a woman's love? What is duty against the feel of a newborn son in your arms ... or the memory of a brother's smile? Wind and words. Wind and words. We are only human, and the gods have fashioned us for love. That is our great glory, and our great tragedy." (AGOT, Jon VIII).
The message of the transcendence of love is emphasised firmly in A Game of Thrones, which works to establish the world view of Ned Stark and his family, the central figures of the series. Ned imparts to his children a deep sense of honour based on justice delivered by a ruler who has a duty to his people ("the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword"), and a commitment to the Old Gods. At first glance, Ned's moral code could be seen as a weakness, as it makes him politically naive in King's Landing, as Petyr Baelish even comments:
"You wear your honour like a suit of armour, Stark. You think it keeps you safe, but all it does is weigh you down and make it hard for you to move." (AGOT, Eddard XIII).
However, it also has another effect; creating a close knit family who work well together and inspire loyalty in their vassals. The Starks are presented as a happy and loving family who are ripped apart by the political forces of the series, and it is the desire of many readers to see the reunion of the surviving Stark children once more. Jon, Sansa, Arya, and Bran all ruminate on Ned's principles when they are separated from one another, and although readers would think that it is his honour code that is impressed upon them most keenly, in fact it is his commitment to family:
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives." (AGOT, Arya II).
Indeed, Ned himself choses his love for his family twice across his lifetime, trashing his honour in the process. The first is when he makes the promise to Lyanna and (likely) raises Jon as his bastard son, thereby allowing himself to be seen as a man who was unfaithful to his wife. Jaime even goads Catelyn about this during A Clash of Kings. The second time is when Ned concedes to let himself be declared a traitor to save the life of his daughter Sansa who is held in Lannister custody, once again trashing his honour in the process.
Yet, in spite of the fact that by the end of A Game of Thrones Ned's honour is in tatters, after his death the North rallies to avenge his judicial murder at the hands of Joffrey. This, of course, results in the North declaring itself independent from the Seven Kingdoms under Robb Stark, which eventually all unravels after Robb decides to marry Jeyne Westerling in order not to break the societally imposed honour code. After Robb's murder, the Lannister backed Boltons take control of the North. One would think that the Northern bannermen would have had enough of Ned Stark and his legacy given the pain it has brought them, and yet they do not. Instead, they begin plotting against the Boltons and seek to restore a Stark to Winterfell, as shown by Lyanna Mormont's commitment to her traditional liege lords:
"Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark." (ADWD, Jon I).
And why is there this great love for the Stark family? It is partly because for thousands of years they have been practicing the model of good governance and leading by example, as remembered by Wylla Manderly:
"A thousand years before the Conquest, a promise was made, and oaths were sworn in the Wolf's Den before the old gods and new. When we were sore beset and friendless, hounded from our homes and in peril of our lives, the wolves took us in and nourished us and protected us against our enemies. The city is built upon the land they gave us. In return we swore that we should always be their men. Stark men!" (ADWD, Davos III).
Ned is a leader who is loved by his people, because he offers a model of a just and noble ruler who genuinely cares for his people alongside an apparent commitment to his honour. Even after he is dead and gone, personal loyalty to him and his children drives many of the plots against the Boltons. Indeed, Barbrey Dustin (who is not the biggest fan of the Starks) notes how the treatment of fArya is the main thing that is turning the Northern lords against the Boltons:
"Valiant Ned's precious little girl. Lady Arya's sobs do us more harm than all of Lord Stannis's swords and spears. If the Bastard means to remain Lord of Winterfell, he had best teach his wife to laugh." (ADWD, The Turncloak).
It is therefore not Ned's sense of duty that will see the Starks returned to Winterfell, but most probably the love they inspire in their former vassals. The Great Northern Conspiracies are catalysed not just by hatred of the Boltons, but a genuine love for the Starks. Evidence from the show seems to suggest that the Starks will be returned to Winterfell and, therefore, Ned's worldview will triumph over the Lannister, Bolton and Frey message of death and vengeance.
This conclusion seems entirely at odds with the oft quoted line from Machiavelli's The Prince which gives advice on rulership: "It is better to be feared than loved". Yet this line is in fact misquoted. The full line is: "It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both." By being a just lord who pursues honour (but is willing to sacrifice it for a higher cause), Ned Stark is both feared, loved, and respected, and it is the memory of his character that will ultimately see his children restored to Winterfell by his bannermen.
This does not seem very grimdark to me.
As it seems almost certain that the Starks will be returned to the North and in some form united, an important question must be asked. If Ned's life and message is all about love, what is his opposite?
The answer: Tywin Lannister.
Tywin Lannister: The Anti-Ned
If one thing is clear, it is that Tywin Lannister is a man who is not fully capable of love. His three children all live in terror of him, and he has a commanding, unsmiling presence. On seeing him at Harrenhal, Arya describes him thus (bolding my own):
The Lannister lord was strong-looking for an old man, with stiff golden whiskers and a bald head. There was something in his face that reminded Arya of her own father, even though they looked nothing alike. He has a lord's face, that's all, she told herself. She remembered hearing her lady mother tell Father to put on his lord's face and go deal with some matter. Father had laughed at that. She could not imagine Lord Tywin ever laughing at anything. (ACOK, Arya VII).
Here, Ned and Tywin are placed in direct contrast and Arya concludes that they are nothing alike. While Ned was laughing and warm under his lord's face, Tywin is implacable and terrifying, and Arya imagines that Tywin's lord's face is his real face. Although Arya only views Tywin from a distance, her analysis is undoubtedly correct, as it seems to line up with descriptions of him by people who know him better; as a smiling, unloving lord whose affection was reserved solely for his wife Joanna and no one else:
"Lord Tywin seldom spoke of his wife, but Tyrion had heard his uncles talk of the love between them. In those days, his father had been Aerys's Hand, and many people said that Lord Tywin Lannister ruled the Seven Kingdoms, but Lady Joanna ruled Lord Tywin." (ASOS, Tyrion V).
As shown by this passage, Tywin's smile is directly linked with his ability to love as it is directly connected with his only love, Joanna. It is seen again in a report by Pycelle to the Citadel:
Only Lady Joanna truly knows the man beneath the armour, and all his smiles belong to her and her alone. I do avow that I have even observed her make him laugh, not once, but on three separate occasions!" (TWOIAF, The Targaryen Kings: Aerys II).
Indeed, Tywin's smile is linked to marriage even in death:
Every crow in the Seven Kingdoms should pay homage to you, Father. From Castamere to the Blackwater, you fed them well. That notionpleased Lord Tywin; his smile widened further. Bloody hell, he's grinning like a bridegroom at his bedding. That was so grotesque it made Jaime laugh aloud." (AFFC, Jaime I).
Jaime's observation about Tywin's smile being grotesque shows how unnaturally it came to him in life and, therefore, how unnatural it is for him to love other people, including his own children (but more on that in a moment). That being said, we do get an alternative view of what causes Tywin to smile from his sister Genna in A Feast for Crows:
"Men say that Tywin never smiled, but he smiled when he wed your mother, and when Aerys made him hand. When Tarbeck Hall came crashing down on Lady Ellyn, that scheming bitch, Tyg claimed he smiled then. And he smiled at your birth, Jaime, I saw that with mine own eyes. You and Cersei, pink and perfect, as alike as two peas in a pod... well, except between the legs. What lungs you had!" (AFFC, Jaime V).
This passage is amongst the best analyses of Tywin in the series, as it allows us to see him through the perspective of someone close to him but not Jaime, Cersei, or Tyrion. Let's try and draw out what elicits one of Tywin's smiles. Genna lists four times that Tywin smiled throughout his life:
When he married Joanna.
When Aerys made him hand.
When Tarbeck Hall was destroyed.
When Jaime was born.
The first lines up with what we already know: Tywin loved Joanna. The fourth may imply that Tywin loved Jaime in some capacity (Genna seems to think so). The second and third relate to times that House Lannister got revenge on its enemies, or Tywin himself gained power. By grouping together Tywin smiling for personal happiness and family success, Genna intimately ties the two in her conception of what made Tywin happy; power and family. She goes onto reinforce this by explaining why she loved Tywin, but why his love for her was not so simple (bolding my own):
"I was my father's precious princess . . . and Tywin's too, until I disappointed him. My brother never learned to like the taste of disappointment." (AFFC, Jaime V).
Here, Genna demonstrates that Tywin's love and good will extended as far as the object of his affections did as he expected them to. His treatment of Genna is very in line with the way he deals with Jaime, Cersei, and Tyrion; ie. when they are not what he wants them to be, he withholds love and affection (as far as he is capable of it). Even so, Genna still claims she loved her brother (which Jaime finds somewhat surprising):
"Did you love him?" Jaime heard himself ask.
His aunt looked at him strangely. "I was seven when Walder Frey persuaded my lord father to give my hand to Emm. His second son, not even his heir. Father was himself a thirdborn son, and younger children crave the approval of their elders. Frey sensed that weakness in him, and Father agreed for no better reason than to please him. My betrothal was announced at a feast with half the west in attendance. Ellyn Tarbeck laughed and the Red Lion went angry from the hall. The rest sat on their tongues. Only Tywin dared speak against the match. A boy of ten. Father turned as white as mare's milk, and Walder Frey was quivering." She smiled. "How could I not love him, after that? That is not to say that I approved of all he did, or much enjoyed the company of the man that he became . . . but every little girl needs a big brother to protect her. Tywin was big even when he was little." (A Feast for Crows, Jaime V).
Here, it becomes clear that Genna loves (and perhaps idolises) Tywin as her protector because he was the only one who stood up against their father on the subject of her ill-advised marriage. She chooses some very interesting phrases when describing Tywin, particularly that he casts a long shadow and that he was big even when he was little, which seem particularly evocative of how Tyrion has been described elsewhere (which, more on in my Tyrion essay). Yet, in the same stroke, she also makes it clear that she did not love Tywin's company or agree with most of his decisions. The thing she loved him for, then, was his desire to protect his family. Yet, it is clear from the passage before that Tywin does not stand up for Genna because he loves her but because her marriage to a second born Frey is a slight on his house.
Tywin loves Genna Lannister, not Genna Lannister.
No One Laughs at House Lannister
Tywin's unsmiling visage and his distrust of laughter is commented on so many times that there must be a reason as to why this is. The answer according to Genna?
"Tywin mistrusted laughter. He heard too many people laughing at your grandsire." (AFFC, Jaime V).
Tywin is therefore trying to cultivate his own image as an exact opposite from that of his own father, Tytos, who was known as the Laughing Lion. His reason for doing this is demonstrated by Kevan, who highlights Tytos' perceived weakness in a conversation with Tyrion:
“Our own father was gentle and amiable, but so weak his bannermen mocked him in their cups. Some saw fit to defy him openly. Other lords borrowed our gold and never troubled to repay it. At court they japed of toothless lions. Even his mistress stole from him. A woman scarcely one step above a whore, and she helped herself to my mother's jewels!” (ASOS, Tyrion IX).
A similar summary of Tytos' character is given by Beldon, the Maester at Casterly Rock during Tytos' rule:
His lordship wants only to be loved. So he laughs, and takes no offense, and forgives, and bestows honours and offices and lavish gifts on those who mock him and defy him, thinking thereby to win their loyalty. Yet the more he laughs and gives, the more they despise him. (TWOIAF, The Westerlands: House Lannister under the Dragons).
As seen in the Genna betrothal story, Tywin detests his house being laughed at, and this is because he associates it with people who were a direct threat to his family. The association between laughter and direct physical threat perhaps began for Tywin at that feast where Genna's betrothal was announced, as the two bannermen who had the most visceral reaction to the news - Roger Reyne "The Red Lion of Castamere" (who left the hall in anger at the announcement of Genna's betrothal) and Ellyn Tarbeck (Roger's sister), who outright laughed - were later to be pursued quite viciously by Tywin.
Although I do not want to get into the Reyne-Tarbeck revolt in too much detail, I will outline it briefly as it offers a blueprint for Tywin's later actions. After the War of the Ninepenny Kings in 260 AC, Tywin returned to the Westerlands, determined to exert Lannister power in their home territory once more. He demanded repayment of the loans the bannermen had taken from Tytos and, if they could not repay, send a hostage to Casterly Rock in place of the money. Roger Reyne laughed when he heard Tywin's order and counselled other Lannister bannermen to do the same. Wanting to outright challenge Tywin's authority, Lord Walderan Tarbeck (Ellyn's husband) went to talk to Tytos directly, desiring him to rescind Tywin's order, but Tywin imprisoned Lord Walderan before he could reach Tytos. In response, Ellyn Tarbeck captured three Lannisters, including Stafford Lannister (whose sister Joanna was betrothed to Tywin) and threatened injury unless Lord Walderan was returned. Although Tywin advocated sending Lord Walderan back to Ellyn in three pieces - one for each of the Lannisters taken - Tytos backed down, and instead returned Walderan unharmed. He then forgave the Tarbeck debt to House Lannister.
This no doubt incensed Tywin, but he got his chance for vengeance the following year when he ordered that Ser Roger Reyne and Lord Walderan Tarbeck appear at Casterly Rock to answer for their crimes against Tytos. Instead of adhering to the order, both men renounced their allegiance to House Lannister and raised an army. Tywin did the same in response (without his father's permission) and succeeded in defeating Walderan in battle. He followed this victory by destroying Tarbeck Hall, killing Lady Ellyn in the collapse. In fear of their lives, Ser Roger and his family then went to hide in the mines under Castamere. Terms were sent out to Tywin, but they were ignored. Tywin wanted both houses totally destroyed. In order to achieve this goal, Tywin had all the entrances to the mines blocked up, then ordered his men to direct a nearby stream into the only available mine entrance. Over the course of the next day, all hundred men, women, and children hiding in the mines drowned, and Castamere and Tarbeck Hall were left as ruins as a message of what happened to those that crossed House Lannister.
Given the visceral brutality of Tywin's response to the Reyne-Tarbeck Rebellion, a song, The Rains of Castamere, was composed to memorialise the incident. It sings of a fictitious exchange between Tywin and Ser Roger, and perfectly incapsulates the former's political philosophy:
"And who are you, the proud lord said,
That I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
That's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
A lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord
As long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
With no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
And not a soul to hear."
(A Storm of Swords, Arya VII)
Although it is not known who composed The Rains of Castamere, Tywin brought it into his armoury when dealing with enemies as it became a key psychological weapon of his. For example, when another Lannister bannerman, House Farman of Faircastle, were causing trouble for Tywin, he sent an envoy to play them The Rains of Castamere. Lord Farman quickly changed his mind. The most famous use of the song, though, is at the Red Wedding, where it served as the signal to begin the killing. On hearing the song, Catelyn suddenly realises that things are going to go horribly, horribly wrong for herself and Robb:
No one sang the words, but Catelyn knew The Rains of Castamere when she heard it. (A Storm of Swords,Catelyn VII).
Given his deployment of The Rains of Castamere in later years, his successes against the Reyne-Tarbeck Rebellion obviously had a profound effect on Tywin and shaped his entire political philosophy on how to deal with rebels and enemies. That this was the case is shown by Jaime's remembrance of how Tywin counselled him to deal with enemies:
Jaime: My father had a saying too. Never wound a foe when you can kill him. Dead men don't claim vengeance.
Hoster: Their sons do.
Jaime: Not if you kill the sons as well. Ask the Casterlys about that if you doubt me. Ask Lord and Lady Tarbeck, or the Reynes of Castamere. Ask the Prince of Dragonstone. (ADWD, Jaime I).
Tywin's Brutal Tactics and his Enemies
Having confirmed his philosophy in the Reyne-Tarbeck conflict, Tywin then began a career of using brutal tactics of shutting down rebellion and destroying those who dared to laugh at, or bring shame to, House Lannister. The first of these was Tytos Lannister's mistress, who had stolen from him and laughed behind his back. After Tytos' death, Tywin moved against her instantly:
Cersei had been a year old when her grandfather died. The first thing her father had done on his ascension was to expel his own father's grasping, lowborn mistress from Casterly Rock. The silks and velvets Lord Tytos had lavished on her and the jewelry she had taken for herself had been stripped from her, and she had been sent fort naked to walk through the streets of Lannisport, so the west could see her for what she was. (ADWD, Cersei II)
The next incident was at the conclusion of Robert's Rebellion, and concerned the fate of Rhaegar Targaryen's children. Tywin had, of course, hoping to facilitate the marriage of Rhaegar to his only daughter, Cersei. This did not happen, with Aerys instead opting for Rhaegar to marry the Dornish princess Elia Martell. The slight is still felt keenly by Cersei many years later:
It must have been madness that led Aerys to refuse Lord Tywin's daughter and take his son instead, while marrying his own son to a feeble Dornish princess with black eyes and a flat chest. (AFFC, Cersei V).
At the conclusion of Robert's Rebellion, Tywin orders the deaths of Rhaegar's children, ostensibly to demonstrate loyalty to House Baratheon. However, there is undoubtedly some lingering resentment over the fact that Elia was chosen over Cersei, as seen in a conversation that Elia's sister Oberyn has with Tyrion:
"Well, Prince Rhaegar married Elia of Dorne, not Cersei Lannister of Casterly Rock. So it would seem your mother won that tilt."
"She though so," Prince Oberyn agreed, "but your father is not a man to forget such slights. He taught that lesson to Lord and Lady Tarbeck once, and to the Reynes of Castamere. And at King's Landing, he taught it to my sister." (ASOS, Tyrion IX).
Here, it is interesting that Oberyn equates Elia and her children's deaths with the ends of the Tarbecks and Reynes. Tywin's violence is presented as a continuous line; starting with those who directly slightly House Lannister (the Reynes and Tarbecks), it eventually extends beyond to those merely chosen over House Lannister.
Although what Tywin Lannister did to his father's mistress and Elia is notably brutal, the War of the Five Kings gives Tywin plenty more opportunities to behave savagely. Despite knowing what Gregor Clegane is (given the rape and murder of Elia), in the early stage of the war, he sends the Mountain out to harry the Riverlands. He does so with astounding cruelty:
The only peace Ser Gregor's lot had ever given anyone was the peace of the grave. (AFFC, Jaime III).
Yet this is not the most famous example of Tywin's brutality; in fact, it is Tywin’s sanctioning and planning of the Red Wedding, which offends the sensibilities of everyone in Westeros for breaking guest right. Tywin no doubt recognised a similar hunger for vengeance against Robb Stark in Walder Frey that he himself felt after Reynes and Tarbecks mocked House Lannister all those years previously. Even so, Tywin subsequently justifies it in rather a bloodless, emotionless way in explaining why he colluded with Walder Frey to Tyrion:
"Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner. The price was cheap by any measure. The crown shall grant Riverrun to Ser Emmon Frey once the Blackfish yields. Lancel and Daven must marry Frey girls, Joy is to wed one of Lord Walder's natural sons when she is old enough, and Roose Bolton becomes Warden of the North and takes home Arya Stark.” (ASOS, Tyrion VI).
Given his constant crowing about Lannister brutality through his promotion of The Rains of Castamere, it is perhaps a little surprising that Tywin is justifying his monstrous act as something almost noble and strangely merciful. But, if you look closer, it is clear that Tywin does not believe himself a cruel, brutal man. That belief is seen most clearly through his memory of Elia, Rhaenys, and Aegon's deaths, which he attributes to Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch, in spite of the fact that he was the one who ordered them:
“I grant you, it was done too brutally. Elia need not have been harmed at all, that was sheer folly. By herself she was nothing."
"Then why did the Mountain kill her?"
"Because I did not tell him to spare her. I doubt I mentioned her at all. I had more pressing concerns... Nor did I yet grasp what I had in Gregor Clegane, only that he was huge and terrible in battle. The rape… even you will not accuse me of giving that command, I would hope. Ser Amory was almost as bestial with Rhaenys. I asked him afterward why it had required half a hundred thrusts to kill a girl of…two? Three? He said she’d kicked him and would not stop screaming. If Lorch had half the wits the gods gave a turnip, he would have calmed her with a few sweet words and used a soft silk pillow.” His mouth twisted in distaste. “The blood was in him.” (ASOS,Tyrion VI).
His belief that he is not directly to blame for Elia, Rhaenys, and Aegon's deaths also carries through to his interpretation of the Red Wedding, which Tywin lays at Walder Frey's door:
Tyrion: Was it a soft silk pillow that slew Robb Stark?
Tywin: It was to be an arrow, at Edmure Tully’s wedding feast. The boy was too wary in the field. He kept his men in good order, and surrounded himself with outriders and bodyguards.
Tyrion: So Lord Walder slew him under his own roof, at his own table? What of Lady Catelyn?
Tywin: Slain as well, I’d say. A pair of wolfskins. Frey had intended to keep her captive, but perhaps something went awry.
Tyrion: So much for guest right.
Tywin: The blood is on Walder Frey’s hands, not mine. (ASOS, Tyrion VI).
There are several points to draw out here from these two passages that highlight the extent of Tywin's cruelty:
Tywin did not even think to give orders about what to do with Elia Martell or Catelyn Stark. He did not care if they lived or died.
Tywin thinks Tyrion would not believe him culpable of ordering a rape (in spite of the fact that Tywin ordered Tyrion's own wife to be gangraped, but more on that in a moment). Talk about cognitive dissonance!
Tywin blames the death of Rhaenys and the murder of Elia on Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch and is distasteful of the way they carried it out (compare to Ned's "the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword" philosophy).
Tywin believes that the blame for the Red Wedding lies on Walder Frey, despite the fact that Tywin actively planned it.
These passages not only demonstrate Tywin's immense cruelty, but also that he is a major hypocrite who advocates brutal tactics, but then does not acknowledge their brutality. Furthermore, Tywin does not have the presence of mind to see how other people would interpret his actions. Strangely, Tywin is often interpreted as one of the best strategic thinkers in the series by the fandom, but this passage exposes that he cannot understand how other people would lay the deaths of their loved ones at his door, even if he was not the one who swung the sword. This is an incredible lack of foresight on Tywin's part, as the Lannisters come to be reviled for Tywin's brutal tactics. The Red Wedding sticks long in the Riverlanders and the Northerners memory, with the vengeful wraith Lady Stoneheart even appearing to punish people involved in that exact crime, while Doran and Oberyn spend years plotting revenge on Tywin for Elia and children's deaths. Although seemingly understanding the fear of him that such tactics inspire, Tywin does not seem to grasp what motivates people to be most unforgiving in their quest for revenge. Tywin himself has only ever done it because people have insulted his family; he does not comprehend the extent his enemies will go to avenge those he loves.
By using such tactics, Tywin creates his own enemies.
Tywin's Brutal Tactics and his Family
Not fully realising the effects his actions can have on other people, it is therefore perhaps not surprising that Tywin does not limit his brutal short-term tactics to his enemies, he also constantly applies them to his own family. In a small way, this is seen in how Tywin blew hot and cold with his sister Genna depending on whether she was doing what he wanted, but it is best noted in the huge psychological damage that Tywin has done to his children Cersei, Jaime, and Tyrion. I am planning on looking at Tywin's effect on each Lannister sibling in their own essay, but I will state here that all of Tywin's children's worldview and actions are undoubtedly shaped by the lessons he imparted to them through example and practice.
When looking at Tywin's brutal treatment of his children, there is no instance more important than how Tywin punishes Tyrion by the way he treats his lowborn wife, Tysha:
Bronn: A Lannister of Casterly Rock wed to a crofter's daughter. How did you manage that?
Tyrion: Oh, you'd be astonished at what a boy can make of a few lies, fifty pieces of silver, and a drunken septon. I dared not bring my bride home to Casterly Rock, so I set her up in a cottage of her own, and for a fortnight we played at being man and wife. And then the septon sobered and confessed all to my lord father." (AGOT, Tyrion VI).
The first thing to notice here is that Tyrion knew and feared what his father's reaction would be to him marrying Tysha, so he kept her far away from where his father could reach her (interestingly, that is the same thing he was to do later for Shae). However, Tyrion perhaps did not anticipate the length to which his father would go:
Tyrion was surprised at how desolate it made him feel to say it, even after all these years. Perhaps he was just tired. "That was the end of my marriage."
"He sent the girl away?"
"He did better than that," Tyrion said. "First he made my brother tell me the truth. The girl was a whore, you see. Jaime arranged the whole affair, the road, the outlaws, all of it. He thought it was time I had a woman. He paid double for a maiden, knowing it would be my first time.
"After Jaime had made his confession, to drive home the lesson, Lord Tywin brought my wife in and gave her to his guards. They paid her fair enough. A silver for each man, how many whores command that high a price? He sat me down in the corner of the barracks and bade me watch, and at the end she had so many silvers the coins were slipping through her fingers and rolling on the floor, she..." The smoke was stinging his eyes. Tyrion cleared his throat and turned away from the fire, to gaze out into darkness. "Lord Tywin had me go last," he said in a quiet voice. "And he gave me a gold coin to pay her, because I was a Lannister, and worth more." (AGOT,Tyrion VI).
This such an unbelievably cruel and awful thing to do to his son (and his son's wife), but the messages that Tywin is trying to impart here are consistent with the brutal campaign he has waged on his enemies for most of his life. First of all, Tywin clearly recognises the power of sexual humiliation in totally breaking a person. He first learnt this lesson when constructing how best to punish and destroy his father's mistress after Tytos' death. By making her do a Walk of Shame, Tywin's intention was to see her revealed as "whore", as seen from a Lannister guard's recollection of the Walk years later:
Vain and proud she was [the mistress], before... so haughty you'd think she'd forgot she came from dirt. Once we got her clothes off her, though, she was just another whore. (ADWD, Cersei II).
In having Tysha gangraped by the garrison of Casterly Rock, he was clearly imparting the same message to the Lannister men, to Tysha herself, and to Tyrion as he did to Tytos' mistress; you are worthless, you have no power, you are a whore.
Yet Tywin's deployment of sexual humiliation did not end there, as he also forced Tyrion (who was thirteen!!) to also take part in Tysha's rape. Not only did this turn into a sexual assault of Tyrion, but it also succeeded in ending Tyrion's belief that he could be loved for himself (as Tysha clearly had).
The final message Tywin imparts to Tyrion here is the one that he has been living by his whole life; that Lannisters are worth more. In this case, it is symbolised by the fact that while Tysha is given silver for each guardsman, Tyrion is forced to give Tysha gold. In this moment of cruelty, the reader really gets an insight into Tywin's guiding views of House Lannister. It speaks of how Tywin non-Lannister people as lesser, a feature of his personal philosophy that has come up again and again; think of how he gave no orders for what was to be done about Elia Martell or Catelyn Stark, or even how during the period of time he worked as Aerys' Hand, he undid Aegon V's laws which gave greater freedoms to the smallfolk. Tywin no doubt intended this incident as a punishment for Tysha and Tyrion, but also as a learning experience for the latter. You are at the top of the food chain: act like it!This is revealed when Jaime admits the truth about Tysha to Tyrion in A Storm of Swords (bolding my own):
Jaime: For your gold, Father said. She was lowborn, you were a Lannister of Casterly Rock. All she wanted was the gold, which made her no different from a whore, so... so it would not be a lie, not truly, and... he said that you required a sharp lesson. That you would learn from it, and thank me later...”
Tyrion: Thank you? He gave her to his guards. A barracks full of guards. He made me... watch.
Jaime: I never knew he would do that. You must believe me.” (ASOS,Tyrion XI)
The involvement of Jaime in the deception is also interesting. Why does Tywin not just tell Tyrion himself the "truth" about Tysha? After all, Jaime's initial response to Tysha is to help her (bolding my own):
"I met her on a night like this," he heard himself saying. "Jaime and I were riding back from Lannisport when we heard a scream, and she came running out into the road with two men dogging her heels, shouting threats. My brother unsheathed his sword and went after them, while I dismounted to protect the girl... Jaime was all in a lather to hunt down the men. It was not often outlaws dared prey on travellers so near to Casterly Rock, and he took it as an insult. The girl was too frightened to send off by herself, though, so I offered to take her to the closest inn and feed her while my brother rode back to the Rock for help." (AGOT,Tyrion VI).
The answer is that Tywin is attempting to wage a psychological war against both Tyrion and Jaime. In the case of the former, Jaime is the only person who he loves and trusts in his family, so making Tyrion hear the "truth" from is more likely to make him believe it. On Jaime's part, Tywin is making him complicit in this whole ordeal, which Jaime continues to regret years later, as seen in his conversation with Catelyn Stark on the matter:
I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did [telling Tyrion the "truth" about Tysha], and reviled by so many for my finest act. (ACOK, Catelyn VII).
That Tywin set up Jaime and Tyrion in this way is incredibly sad as, when looking at the messed up dynamic between the central four Lannisters, it is clear that the only healthy relationship is between Jaime and Tyrion. Using Jaime as the "truth-teller" therefore has the added intention of alienating the brothers from one another, leading to an eventual, but inevitable, fallout between Jaime and Tyrion and ultimately depriving both of their only ally within the family.
Tywin wants total control of his children, not as people, but as Lannister cyphers who are worth more. And he will do it any way he can, even if that means destroying the bonds between his own children.
But do Brutal Tactics work?
Given the lessons that Tywin learnt during the Reyne-Tarbeck Rebellion, one would think that his political philosophy would hold true; it is better to be feared than to be loved. Brutality makes you feared, which makes you strong. Yet, looking at the trajectory of the entire A Song of Ice and Fire saga, it is clear this assumption is not the case at all. Compare the treatment of Ned's "daughter" fArya by the Stark bannermen in contrast to Lannister supporters' treatment of Cersei in A Dance with Dragons. While, according to Barbrey Dustin, the Northern bannermen are plotting a Stark restoration partly motivated by fArya's tears, no Lannister bannermen or supporters do anything to help Cersei when she is ritually shamed by the Faith Militant. In fact, everyone abandons her. The situation even sparks a comparison by Kevan between Cersei's situation and the brutality meted out to Tytos' mistress by Tywin, including the subsequent abandonment by her "friends" and allies:
All the self-seekers who had named themselves her friends and cultivated her favour had abandoned her quickly enough when Tywin had her stripped naked and paraded through Lannisport to the docks, like a common whore. Though no man laid a hand on her, that walk spelled the end of her power. Surely Tywin would never have dreamed that same fate awaited his own golden daughter. (ADWD, Epilogue).
House Lannister has therefore come full circle. Tywin began his reign by brutally suppressing his rebellious bannermen (the Reynes and Tarbecks) and thereby clawed back the respect that Tytos had lost. However, Tywin did not stop there. In using brutality in every interaction with every single person, threat or no, that he came across, Tywin created enemies for himself that he would not have if he had pursued a more conciliatory path.
We return to this quote from A Dance with Dragons.
Jaime: My father had a saying too. Never wound a foe when you can kill him. Dead men don't claim vengeance.
Hoster: Their sons do.
Jaime: Not if you kill the sons as well. Ask the Casterlys about that if you doubt me. Ask Lord and Lady Tarbeck, or the Reynes of Castamere. Ask the Prince of Dragonstone. (ADWD, Jaime I).
As shown by the events of A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons, this is a lie. Although Ned's son, Robb, is dead, their bannermen are clamouring for a return to Stark rule. The Martells hold onto their grudge against Tywin for killing Elia and her children for years, and it results in a full anti-Lannister conspiracy set in motion by her brothers Doran and Oberyn, the outcome of which remains to be seen. The vengeful zombified version of Lady Catelyn wages a war on anybody she deems to have had an involvement in the Red Wedding, true or not. In contrast, Cersei has no good memories of her father to rely on when it comes to support within the capital in A Dance with Dragons. No bannermen come rushing to her aid to prevent her Walk of Shame, nor is there a great plot brewing to spring her from captivity or see her returned to power. She has herself to rely on.
In the end, the same was true for Tywin. After years of abuse at his father's hands, Tyrion eventually reacts violently against Tywin after he understands the true extent of his cruelty and kills him. At least he gives him a quick death:
"Do me a kindness now, and die quickly." (ASOS, Tyrion XI)
As seen from all these examples, it is Tywin's unending brutality that ultimately what undoes his house's legacy. Although he succeeded in crushing the Reynes and Tarbecks, by the end of A Dance with Dragons, Cersei is shamed, Tyrion is fled, Jaime is missing, and Tommen holds onto his throne quite precariously. If Tommen falls (which he probably will), there will be nobody clamouring for a Lannister restoration as there is for the Starks in the North. The moment Tommen loses his crown, the carrions will arrive to feast on Lannister bones.
The show did not leave us with the message. In fact, multiple times, Tywin's love of vengeance and brutal tactics are seen as cruel or empowering; think of Arya murdering half the Frey's at the Twins. Similarly, Cersei's destruction of the Sept of Baelor filled with Tyrells and members of the Faith Militant brings her power. And, in the end, the Starks are using Lannister language and describing how it is only those within the family that one can trust.
Therefore, I do not believe that the ending we got for the show will look anything like the ending we get for the books, as Game of Thrones missed A Song of Ice and Fire's central message:
Love and forgiveness are redemptive, and when you accept it you can transcend the misery of a cruel world. Vengeance and violence are part of a constant cycle and feed one another.
Tywin isn't a badass, or a hero; in fact, he is a failure and the downfall of House Lannister will be all his fault.
Sorry, English is not my first language. I meant if you think Jaime broke his agreement with Catelyn or not about taking up arms against the Tully and the Starks during their mission in the Riverlands at AFFC?
That’s ok, thank you for clarifying! It’s a good question. This is the vow that Jaime made to Catelyn:
Swear that you will never again take up arms against Stark nor Tully. Swear that you will compel your brother to honor his pledge to return my daughters safe and unharmed. Swear on your honor as a knight, on your honor as a Lannister, on your honor as a Sworn Brother of the Kingsguard. Swear it by your sister’s life, and your father’s, and your son’s, by the old gods and the new, and I’ll send you back to your sister.
And there is the question of the validity of an oath sworn under duress:
I wonder what the High Septon would have to say about the sanctity of oaths sworn while dead drunk, chained to a wall, with a sword pressed to your chest? Not that Jaime was truly concerned about that fat fraud, or the gods he claimed to serve.
Cersei doesn’t seem to think such an oath is valid:
“I swore an oath to Lady Stark, never again to take up arms against the Starks or Tullys.”“A drunken promise made with a sword at your throat.”
But Jaime accepts the oath in ASOS (”Sansa Stark is my last chance for honor") and he continues to feel the weight of it in AFFC (“if perchance the siege had ended before he reached the castle, he would be spared the need to take up arms against House Tully”).
So I would argue that Jaime views the oath as a valid one which he feels the need to uphold, despite the circumstances under which it was sworn. Which makes the question of whether Jaime broke it or not an important one.
(Note, Jaime outwardly goes back and forth about the validity of this oath depending on who he’s talking to, whatever’s convenient. In front of Cersei, he speaks of the oath as a legit obstacle to what she’s asking, in front of Brynden Tully he brings up that the oath was sworn under duress and doesn’t hold. But we have the benefit of being inside Jaime’s head, where I think it’s clear that the oath matters to him as something legitimate he wishes to uphold.)
According to the Oxford English Dictionary,
to take (up) arms: to arm oneself; to assume a hostile attitude either defensive or offensive; to prepare to fight
Jaime is very clearly prepared to fight against House Tully and kill Tullys if he doesn’t get what he wants:
“I came to speak of the living, not the dead. Of those who need not die, but shall …” “… unless I hand you Riverrun. Is this where you threaten to hang Edmure?” Beneath his bushy brows, [Brynden] Tully’s eyes were stone. “My nephew is marked for death no matter what I do. So hang him and be done with it.”
“Tully blood runs just as red,” Jaime reminded him. “If you will not yield the castle, I must storm it. Hundreds will die.” “Hundreds of mine. Thousands of yours.” “Your garrison will perish to a man.”
I think that taking command of a besieging army is, by definition, assuming a hostile attitude.
And literally the only reason Jaime doesn’t raise a sword at Brynden is because he doesn’t wear one to their parley:
It was a good thing that Jaime wore no sword; elsewise he would have ripped his blade out, and if Ser Brynden did not slay him, the archers on the walls most surely would.
When Jaime can’t get Brynden to yield, he threatens Edmure:
“You’ve seen our numbers, Edmure. You’ve seen the ladders, the towers, the trebuchets, the rams. If I speak the command, my coz will bridge your moat and break your gate. Hundreds will die, most of them your own. Your former bannermen will make up the first wave of attackers, so you’ll start your day by killing the fathers and brothers of men who died for you at the Twins. The second wave will be Freys, I have no lack of those. My westermen will follow when your archers are short of arrows and your knights so weary they can hardly lift their blades. When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood will be felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I’ll pull your walls down, and divert the Tumblestone over the ruins. By the time I’m done no man will ever know that a castle once stood here.”
The only reason Jaime doesn’t have to resort to violence at Riverrun is because Edmure is a good person who doesn’t want his people to die. Jaime is threatening to Castamere them all, so I would say that’s taking up arms.
But Jaime doesn’t see it that way:
And he had done his own part here at Riverrun without actually ever taking up arms against the Starks or Tullys.
Jaime is literally threatening to kill them all if Riverrun doesn’t yield, and he is literally armed with a Lannister army at his back, but because Jaime personally didn’t hold a sword to anyone’s throat, he views his oath fulfilled.
Which is like dicing with the gods and trying to get off on a technicality in my opinion.
It’s very similar to Tywin’s attitude toward the Red Wedding tbh.
Tyrion: “So much for guest right.” Tywin: “The blood is on Walder Frey’s hands, not mine.”
Tywin thinks he’s safe from the gods’ wrath, because he only disregarded the spirit of the law of guest right, while abiding by the letter of the law of not murdering his own guests. It’s like he thinks he can get off on a technicality. (Spoiler: Tywin is wrong.)
GRRM even reminds us at the Siege of Riverrun about how Tywin tried to get off on a technicality too:
“This defiance serves no purpose, ser. The war is done, and your Young Wolf is dead.”“Murdered in breach of all the sacred laws of hospitality.”“Frey’s work, not mine.”“Call it what you will. It stinks of Tywin Lannister.”
As I once said here:
Sure, Jaime makes sure Riverrun falls bloodlessly. And some readers praise Jaime for this!! You know what else fell bloodlessly?? Austria, in 1938.
If you go up against someone who doesn’t have the power to fight back, that doesn’t somehow make it better that they don’t fight back. If you use the threat of force or violence to make someone do something they don’t want to do, and they don’t struggle, they just give in, that doesn’t make it honorable or praiseworthy or anything.
Jaime’s deluding himself about fulfilling his oath of not taking up arms.
And I think the gods know it, and they’re going to take their due:
Swear it by your sister’s life, and your father’s, and your son’s, by the old gods and the new
Two dead, one to go.
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Be forewarned, I’m not looking for wank on this post.
Do you think it's possible that Jaime started fanboying over Arthur Dayne after the Kingswood incident? I was thinking it's kinda weird that instead of the living legend Barristan Selmy he idolizes Arthur Dayne, then I figured maybe it's Arthur's approach to the whole Kingswood ordeal that set him apart from all the others in Jaime's eyes. He does have an appreciation of the concept of True Knight after all.
Imagine growing up with your parents listening to Frank Sinatra. And then one day it’s February 7th, 1964, and The Beatles have landed. Arthur Dayne is The Beatles.
Barry's great in his own way: bold and elegant and smooth, like Sinatra. (I love Barry. I love Sinatra.) But Barristan lacks sex appeal.
The Kingswood Brotherhood campaign was not the start of Jaime's fanboying imo, that was just his backstage pass to this True Knighthood Concert Arthur was putting on. Arthur was young and hip and hot and everything Jaime wanted.
Remember that tourney at Lannisport in 276 when Cersei visited Maggy the Frog and pushed a girl down a well? That tourney was years before the Kingswood Brotherhood was put down. While Cersei was crying over Rhaegar, Jaime was fanboying over Arthur Dayne, who had just won the tourney, winning against Rhaegar and Tyg and Gery. Arthur was The Champion, and he was there, at ten-year-old Jaime’s home, it must have been like having a rockstar come visit you.
I think GRRM put a dash of James Dean in Arthur Dayne. The Kingswood Brotherhood campaign, where Arthur won over the peasantry instead of deploying Aerys's usual fire and blood tactics, shows Arthur was a tad unorthodox, willing to think outside the box, which I think appealed to Jaime, whose father is Mr. Uptight and Orthodox and Conformist.
Also, there’s a touch of magic in Arthur Dayne**. GRRM says, "Reality is the strip malls of Burbank […] Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot. Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest Airlines. Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?"
There’s something transcendent about the legend of Arthur Dayne, something that lifts you up from drab, ordinary life and lets you and me and Jaime, all three of us, walk the halls of Camelot. GRRM literally named him Arthur, evocative of the storied king of legend. Barry is ordinary life, office meetings in White Sword Tower, schedules, lists, memos, guard duty. Dayne is the Sword of the Morning, and he wields his mystical sword Dawn, and he goes hand in hand with Rhaegar’s idealism. The Heroes and Villains of the Kingswood Brotherhood conflict are so clearly delineated that Jaime loves its moral simplicity, the way Americans love the WWII movie genre. Arthur Dayne is Hollywood dreams; Barristan Selmy is Monday morning at the office. Monday morning is the death of dreams.
And remember, a dead legend is easier to idolize than a live one. Barristan the Bold became Barristan the Old, he’s struggled with his own demons, he has to make decisions that aren’t always right, he’s morally ambiguous, human.
Which is very different from Arthur Dayne. Like James Dean, Arthur Dayne is frozen in time, forever young, forever beautiful, forever in his prime. He'll never grow old, knees never bent with age, hands never ravaged by arthritis or gout or any other ailment that might make him unable to grasp that magical sword, never struggling with the challenges of knighthood without a sword (unlike Jaime).
Dayne is forever the Hero, forever the dream that Jaime wanted to be.
But when Jaime is finally living that dream, living that Kingsguard life, the Arthur Dayne-mystique is missing from his life.
Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?
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**Obviously there’s some moral ambiguity about Arthur Dayne the Man, but I’m talking about Arthur Dayne the Legend, from Jaime’s perspective.
Jaime Lannister's arc and the limits of redemption
This is what GRRM said when Rolling Stone asked him about Jaime's supposed redemption arc:
One of the things I wanted to explore with Jaime, and with so many of the characters, is the whole issue of redemption. When can we be redeemed? Is redemption even possible? I don’t have an answer. But when do we forgive people? You see it all around in our society, in constant debates. Should we forgive Michael Vick? I have friends who are dog-lovers who will never forgive Michael Vick. Michael Vick has served years in prison; he’s apologized. Has he apologized sufficiently? Woody Allen: Is Woody Allen someone that we should laud, or someone that we should despise?Or Roman Polanski, Paula Deen. Our society is full of people who have fallen in one way or another, and what do we do with these people? How many good acts make up for a bad act? If you’re a Nazi war criminal and then spend the next 40 years doing good deeds and feeding the hungry, does that make up for being a concentration-camp guard? I don’t know the answer, but these are questions worth thinking about. I want there to be a possibility of redemption for us, because we all do terrible things. We should be able to be forgiven. Because if there is no possibility of redemption, what’s the answer then?
So, clearly GRRM doesn't think Jaime is an irredeemable monster, he believes that one can learn to seek forgiveness through their actions. However, it is also clear that with his answer here he was going for something far more complex for Jaime than just a standard redemption arc. He compares Jaime to people that our society sees as monsters, if you ask most people if they'd want to give someone like Woody Allen or a nazi criminal a second chance...9 times out of 10 you'd probably hear a resounding "no". Obviously since this is only fiction and Jaime at the end of the day is harmless fictional character who hasn't hurt any actual real people, we can be less harsh on him for his crimes than an actual nazi war criminal lol but at the same time I do also think that GRRM comparing Jaime to these kinds of people indicates that he believes Jaime's actions just aren't that easy to forgive or atone for. That forgiveness and atonement is a long messy journey and yes the answer to his last question of whether there is a possibility of redemption for Jaime could be a no.
In this analysis about Jaime, I would like to make the argument that Jaime's character isn't a straightforward redemption but an arc that ultimately questions the limits of redemption, and does not actually give a comfortable answer about whether Jaime is redeemed or not making Jaime the ultimate grey character of the series. I want to mostly make my point from text from the books as I have always believed that Jaime's arc in the books is like this, but I also want to cite some examples from the show and try to explain what the show was trying to achieve with Jaime.
As readers its hard to not empathize with Jaime when he loses his hand in ASOS, however I also believe that the interpretation that after Jaime loses his hand, everything about him is redemptive because he does become humbled through this trauma and learns to respect and admire Brienne, even saving her life.
However, how much does Jaime think or try to repent for his original sin in regards to Bran? Not much, as in his POV chapters he never even thinks of Bran by his name. The only time he ever shows any regret at all, is this one quick line in ASOS in a conversation with Cersei:
Robert's death still left a bitter taste in Jaime's mouth. It should have been me who killed him, not Cersei. "I only wished he'd died at my hands." When I still had two of them. "If I'd let kingslaying become a habit, as he liked to say, I could have taken you as my wife for all the world to see. “I'm not ashamed of loving you, only of the things I've done to hide it. That boy at Winterfell . . ."
"Did I tell you to throw him out the window? If you'd gone hunting as I begged you, nothing would have happened. But no, you had to have me, you could not wait until we returned to the city."
And while it is good that Jaime now sees pushing Bran as a "shameful" thing, the context of this regret is his irritation that he did not have the chance to kill Robert and marry Cersei. I personally do think that even this one line of regret is soured by this. Jaime clearly still cannot comprehend his role in causing the War of the Five Kings. How his relationship with Cersei and pushing Bran set this domino effect that led to devastation in an entire continent.
Now what I'm saying will probably be disagreed upon, but I do not believe that Jaime's apology to Bran was entirely genuine in the Season 8 either. Jaime showed 0 regret towards his attack at Ned and his men, or his part in the War of the Five Kings, he said he would do all those actions again if he could. Unlike Theon who is filled with guilt to the brim and is constantly expressing remorse over his actions, Jaime did not even tell the Starks about pushing Bran. He essentially lied by omission at his trial and Bran called him out on it by echoing the *"things I do for love"* line. It was Theon and not Jaime who volunteered to sacrifice himself for Bran.
tl;dr: unlike theon, jaime never ever repents for his original sin in regards to Bran in the show and in the books so far, the one moment where he expressed regret towards Bran was filled with anger about not being able to kill Robert and having Cersei in the way he wants.
Now in regards to Jaime's relationship with Cersei, there's a pervasive thought that Jaime was essentially trapped into the relationship, that it was Cersei who forced herself upon Jaime when in fact, Jaime's own thoughts show that the relationship began when kid Cersei and Jaime couldn't stop "experimenting" with each other:
“He could never bear to be long apart from his twin. Even as children, they would creep into each other's beds and sleep with their arms entwined. Even in the womb. Long before his sister's flowering or the advent of his own manhood, **they had seen mares and stallions in the fields and dogs and bitches in the kennels and played at doing the same.** Once their mother's maid had caught them at it . . . he did not recall just what they had been doing, but whatever it was had horrified Lady Joanna. She'd sent the maid away, moved Jaime's bedchamber to the other side of Casterly Rock, set a guard outside Cersei's, and told them that they must never do that again or she would have no choice but to tell their lord father. They need not have feared, though. It was not long after that she died birthing Tyrion. Jaime barely remembered what his mother had looked like.”
From A Feast for Crows:
"I can't remember when we first began to kiss. It was innocent at first. Until it wasn't."
Both Jaime and Cersei's POV support that more often times than not, it was Jaime who initiated their sexual encounters:
“She did not come to him, however. She has never come to me, he thought. She has always waited, letting me come to her. She gives, but I must ask. "
Taena got quite drunk and Cersei pried the name of her secret lover from her. He was a Myrish sea captain, half a pirate, with black hair to the shoulders and a scar that ran across his face from chin to ear. A hundred times I told him no, and he said yes," the other woman told her, "until finally I was saying yes as well. He was not the sort of man to be denied."
"I know the sort," the queen said with a wry smile.
"Has Your Grace ever known a man like that, I wonder?""Robert," she lied, thinking of Jaime.
And of course, there's the infamous sept scene where we all know that its Jaime who pressures Cersei into sex (even though no he did not rape her in the books like he did on the show)
The Jaime and Cersei relationship is highly dysfunctional and toxic, but Jaime has never been shackled by Cersei. He made his own choices, being with Cersei was more important to him than being Lord of Casterly Rock or marrying Lysa or anything else. He chose to do things he did for love. Jaime and Cersei was a consensual relationship, Cersei is manipulative but Jaime went along with it and made his choices and yes even coerced her into sex and didn't take "no" for answer. It is a mutually toxic relationship.
Finally, there is this notion that Jaime burning Cersei's letter at the end of AFFC means that he is 100% done with her, has no love for her anymore and has also understood the length of toxicity of House Lannister.
I would like to even counter that proving support that I believe Jaime's feelings for Cersei are far more complex than people realize.
In the same chapter that Jaime burns Cersei's letter he also has all of these other thoughts about Cersei:
"We all dream of things we cannot have. Tywin dreamed that his son would be a great knight, that his daughter would be a queen. He dreamed they would be so strong and brave and beautiful that no one would ever laugh at them."
"I am a knight," he told her, "and Cersei is a queen."A tear rolled down her cheek. The woman raised her hood again and turned her back on him. Jaime called after her, but already she was moving away, her skirt whispering lullabies as it brushed across the floor. Don't leave me, he wanted to call, but of course she'd left them long ago.
When Jaime has his dream about Joanna, what he says about himself and Cersei shows that he still has not realized just how much he and Cersei have failed at being a queen and a knight. To some extent, he still romanticizes himself and Cersei.
This is the thought he has right before he receives Cersei's letter
There was a time, not long ago, when he might have been out making snowballs with the best of them, to fling at Tyrion when he waddled by, or slip down the back of Cersei's gown. You need two hands to make a decent snowball, though.
Hs dream about Joanna has ironically awakened him even more about his losses. And when he thinks about Cersei in ADWD, we learn that his ultimate decision to burn Cersei's letter was partially motivated because even if he did go back to her, there is no way he could protect her and save her life:
Past time this was ended, thought Jaime Lannister. With Riverrun now safely in Lannister hands, Raventree was the remnant of the Young Wolf’s short-lived kingdom. Once it yielded, his work along the Trident would be done, and he would be free to return to King’s Landing. To the king, he told himself, but another part of him whispered, to Cersei.
He would have to face her, he supposed. Assuming the High Septon had not put her to death by the time he got back to the city. “Come at once,” she had written, in the letter he’d had Peck burn at Riverrun. “Help me. Save me. I need you now as I have never needed you before. I love you. I love you. I love you. Come at once.” Her need was real enough, Jaime did not doubt. As for the rest … she’s been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and Moon Boy for all I know … Even if he had gone back, he could not hope to save her. She was guilty of every treason laid against her, and he was short a sword hand.
Jaime also still thinks of Cersei as his wife as of ADWD:
"Do you have a little wife, ser?" No, I have a sister.
So basically while Jaime and Cersei are absolutely estranged, Jaime's feelings for her aren't as black and white as they seem.
As far as Jaime's feelings on the power of House Lannister are concerned..
In season 8, Jaime's only promise was to fight the AOTD, he didn't bend the knee to Daenerys and made no promises of bringing down the Lannister regime.
In the books, Jaime still absolutely supports Tommen as king as of ADWD.
Once he found the Blackfish, he would be free to return to King’s Landing, where he belonged. My place is with my king. With my son.
His seige of Riverrun and helping the Freys get Riverrun is still Jaime actively furthering the power of the Lannister regime. There is nothing to suggest from either the show or books that Jaime will work to destroy House Lannister. One would think true redemption would mean Jaime realizing to bring down the full evils of his house.
Now finally in regards to the valonqar prophecy, the pervasive theory on that has been that Jaime will kill Cersei as part of this big redemptive arc when she tries to blow up the city. However, we know now from Season 8 that unfortunately it is far more likely that Daenerys ends up being like Aerys than Cersei in the books despite all the obvious Cersei and Aerys parallels in AFFC.
Cersei's subplot was likely merged with Faegon's in the show and the wildfire was removed from underneath the Sept of Baelor in the books and D&D have also basically come clear in an Inside the Episode that Cersei blowing up the sept was their invention and not something that comes from GRRM. Cersei will likely get some destructive revenge against the High Sparrow in TWOW but it is unlikely its via sept burning.
tl;dr: as time has gone by it seems less and less likely that if Jaime kills Cersei in the books, it will be an exact mirror of his murder of Aerys imo
But far far more importantly, based on Jaime's trajectory... if GRRM does choose to have Jaime straight up kill Cersei in the books and not do some subversion for that last bit of the valonqar prophecy or whatever... (I actually don't think its impossible that Cersei doesn't get violently murdered in the books just like she didn't in the show HA). It is highly unlikely that it will be painted as a redemptive act. In fact it is far more likely that due to his experiences with Stoneheart in TWOW, it will be Jaime actively choosing Lannister toxicity and Tywin's fucked up cycle of abuse to get vengeance on the woman he loved his entire life, his sister, the mother of his children. No, I do not think it will paint Jaime as 100% monstrous but just not 100% heroic either and show that killing Cersei is something he had to do out of *love* rather than hate. Loving Cersei is an absolute core part of Jaime's character that cannot be erased. Whether Jaime kills Cersei in the books or dies hugging her like he did so on the show, his final moments with Cersei will not be black or white in terms of morality and the question of redemption.
So ultimately the main purpose of my post is that I do not believe it was the show's intention to just erase all of Jaime's character development and make him the same person as season 1 ep 1 in his final moments, but to ultimately have his story be that of a somewhat failed redemption arc. The show just rushed and botched the execution of it due to bad writing (such as the nonsensical "I never cared about the innocents" line). And I also believe that book Jaime is also on the same path, just in different ways since because of the changes in adaptation. Do I think Season 8 was terrible? Absolutely, but Jaime's character in itself is not a complete failure because his arc was always far more complex than that of straightforward redemption.
I guess this is an unpopular opinion but I see Jaime’s “She’s fucking lancel, osmund kettleblack, and moonboy mantra in AFFC to be just as unhinged as Cersei obsessing over the prophecy constantly and Tyrion’s “where do whores go” mantra.
Fandom thinks Jaime is on this pure redemptive path because his threat to edmure about trubcheting his baby was a bluff (even though he said only a fool makes empty threat moments earlier). But what they don’t get is that even with Jaime ending the siege at Riverrun without much bloodshed, he’s still working with the Lannister regime and ultimately handed Riverrun back to the Freys lol. Sure he didn’t break his vow to Catelyn about spilling Tully blood but he did this by directly trying to copy and acting like Tywin and giving her home to the family that massacred her and Robb.
So it’s just so poetic when Brienne shows up talking about rescuing Sansa and Jaime follows her thinking he’s going on this heroic mission but instead he’s going to have to directly confront his sins with Stoneheart and the whole stoneheart thing is probably going to lead to the massacre of the Freys with Red Wedding 2.0.
And no I don’t think this will lead to positive character development for Jaime but instead lead to a greater hunger for vengeance that will lead to him going back for Casterly Rock (where Cersei will run off to after Faegon takes over) and valonqaring her.
