#jm jk

[daffyjjk]

🐰 “Jimin hyung, just hang in there for two more days! I’ll be able to drink with you the day after tomorrow!”

excuse me?? not him casually confessing to jimin AGAIN on welive 😩💘

[kookmin-things]

[icouldntresistit]

I still remember your not very recent post: "Should I make a post about why I think the ep. 4 rain convo seems more like a disguised Jikook call out?" Can I ask what you meant? I was waiting for you to tell us about your thoughts but you never did

Sorry, had to go on a pseudo-hiatus for awhile but sure you can ask what I meant. I think some people may have already touched on this by now so I’m not sure how much value it would add around the discourse. My thoughts on this are by no means foolproof and there’s probably some gaping holes in them somewhere, but here’s my take anyway lol.

So there’s a conversation that takes place starting around the 17 minute mark of that episode where they’re talking about the possibility of rain during their next concert. At one point, hyung line laments about dancing too hard and how Jimin and Jungkook are the main ones who do so. What happens from this point (starting around 17:38) seems to be some doublespeak from J-Hope and RM interspersed with random cuts of Jin talking, members looking apprehensive and almost smiling like there’s something that’s not being said (or maybe has been said that didn’t make it to the final cut of the episode.) So, from about 17:05, the conversation goes like this:

*cut*

PD: How was stage B?

Jimin: It was okay- 

J-Hope: Gotta be careful though.

Jimin: -I think we can still dance, but I don’t think we should go too hard.

Someone (can’t make out the voice): Right.

J-Hope: The problem is some of you will dance too hard. 

Jimin: We should keep our toes steady.

*While Jimin is talking, RM turns to J-Hope very quickly with a look that seems kind of out of context based on what’s being said*

J-Hope: Jungkook and Jimin, be careful.

*Camera cuts from Jimin fixing his hat to Jin smirking*

RM: Both of you (speaking to Jimin and Jungkook).

J-Hope, smirking: Keep it under control. We still have a lot of shows left.

Jin: It’s important to be good but safety comes first.

Someone (can’t make out the voice): Okay.

J-Hope, still smiling knowingly: There’s a lot to worry about.

*Camera lingers on J-Hope who looks like he just heard a bad joke and is pulling his hat down over his face to hide his smile*

They talk about it some more but the part I found strange pretty much ends here. So, at first glance a couple things stood out to me about this scene:

They’re talking about the rain as if they’ve never experienced rain during a performance before this concert. On the one hand, I can see why given they hadn’t been rained out on that particular tour, but on another it’s just strange that they would be having this conversation about being careful of the rain for what seems to be the first time in their career. Either way, I can chalk the entire existence of this conversation up to needing content/conflict for the documentary.

This one is more a comment on the whole documentary but it is cut up in that new-agey style of filmmaking where footage seems to be taken out of its original context to create a particular story-like effect on camera. There’s a bunch of cuts in that scene that allude to some footage being edited out. Whether or not that footage contains conversations about Jimin and Jungkook particularly is up in the air. So I’ll chalk up the shifty editing to the editors trying to make a product that tells a certain story, even if that certain story diverges from reality.

Jin and J-Hope’s non-verbal reactions are very strange given the context of the conversation. Jin is staring between Jimin and Jungkook (makes sense, the convo at that point was about them) but he’s looking on with this knowing smile. And J-Hope just looks straight up exasperated at times. He looks like he’s nervous/embarrassed and pulls his hat down over his face like so. At one point RM looks at J-Hope with a similar smile as Jin’s. I’ll chalk this one up to those 3 having an inside joke that maybe the audience isn’t in on?

Now this one is the straw that breaks the camel’s back for me. It is the fact that the Rose Bowl moment was the previous tour stop before Soldier Field (i.e. when the ‘rain convo’ took place). Up until that point JK and Jimin definitely had a lot of touchy moments on stage but none were so controversial as JK actually shoving Jimin’s ear down his gullet. Even in the behind-the-scenes footage and while they were on stage the members seemed to kind of look at them like:

When I consider the grander context and consider Item #4, Item’s 1-3 become hard to write off for me. There are parts of that conversation that don’t even refer to rain and just flat out go in on Jimin and Jungkook (in a funny/loving way) for ??? being too powerful in their performances I guess? Idk that point was very weird to me given that they’re not the only 2 that go hard... Just seems weird to call them out specifically and have it come from J-Hope himself who usually goes the hardest on stage... And later on in the episode, J-Hope freely admits that he’s not even worried about dancing on the wet stage so like??? What was the point in even having that scene where y’all call out Jimin and JK if it’s not even that big of a deal? Again, I can write this off as the producers/directors/editors needing to manufacture drama and adversity for bts but it just doesn’t make that much sense to me.

Now, for what I think happened it’s honestly just a strong opinion. I hate getting analytical (which I’ve done this whole post) but the nature of what I think happened requires me to do so. I think this was double-speak where J-Hope, RM, and Jin were taking advantage of the rain conversation to actually admonish Jimin and JK for the stage antics and kind of advise them to tone it down. Up until that point they had just been doing more and more wild shit, and after that point it was slightly less wild until they went on vacation. When I consider all of these things, I really can’t shake the idea that that conversation was very revealing to me in showing that 1. Jimin and JK may actually be a thing, 2. the members have some knowledge about it, and 3. there was likely some apprehension at that time surrounding the Rose Bowl moment.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think anyone is trying to “hide” them at all, I just think there was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction that was more worried for them than anything. Either way, this scene helps the case for me that JK & Jimin are actually a thing. 

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Emojis con su cara  Jimin & Jungkook  jm👍😯jk   BTS (방탄소년단) 7-Second Interview  jm👍😯jk  

[gotmeolk]

[HD] 171208-10 The WINGS Tour : The Final in Seoul ©️ Love Since 1997

[daffyjjk]

they are each other’s only consort, beloved, and the days of all their lives. they promised to be in love forever, and forever is exactly what they meant 🥺💕🪽

[kookmin-things]

Jikook Cut

[icouldntresistit]

Violating Jimin and Jeongguk’s privacy

As always, please scroll past if you don’t have anything intelligent to add because I’m not responding to bullshit and/or patronizing comments

So, with the release of BTS Memories 2018 and Bring The Soul, a lot of fans have been complaining about Big Hit invading Jimin and Jeongguk’s privacy by filming and uploading their off-stage interactions. While a lot of the pushback is well-placed, some of it is very misplaced. Here’s the short version of my thoughts on this:

Personally, I think that there are times that Big Hit does make me uncomfortable with what they film of BTS (mostly their medical issues), but whether or not I personally feel uncomfortable about something Big Hit is doing to BTS, in a sense, doesn’t matter if the members don’t feel uncomfortable. Regarding Jimin and Jeongguk specifically, and being frank, if Jimin and JK don’t speak out about it, it’s difficult for me to have a real issue with it. I only really say this because BTS has refused things before and had their wishes heard. And I don’t think Jimin and JK mind much when their interactions are recorded. Why, you may ask? Because they will get on stage, Twitter, VLive, etc., where they know there are cameras on them at every angle, and do something intimate/provocative, on live recordings where it can’t be edited for their approval. In these moments, I have to wonder, if they cared so much about people seeing, would they allow people to see? They’re celebrities and know they’re being scrutinized, I don’t think they’d be silent about Big Hit recording when they didn’t want them to. 

I always look at people like Hyuna and E’dawn who always hung out on camera and were unapologetic about dating when netizens started to suspect something. I feel like if they didn’t want the world to know, the world wouldn’t have known and Hyuna had similar star power at Cube that BTS has at Big Hit in terms of privacy. 

That said, I also want to say that I know that just because they allow Big Hit to do it sometimes, doesn’t mean they allow it all the time, BUT if an interaction makes it to the final cut of a movie (which is what Bring The Soul and Memories are), then I’m hard pressed to think that Jimin and Jeongguk didn’t want anyone to see those particular moments. I also don’t think those moments are anything damning that could ruin their careers or something. Those are regular interactions that Jimin and Jeongguk have often, on camera, so I don’t see why they’d suddenly be more protective over them.

So, in general, I can see where some people are coming from, but the ultimate decision lies with Jimin and JK. If they don’t say anything, do the same things, and it’s not really hurting them, then, for me, it’s not my fight

Later, I may do a post pondering what is invasion of privacy when dealing with celebrities (especially ones like BTS where, seemingly, any given moment can be recorded) and whether or not some fans are being hypocritical when it comes to that. But for now, these are my thoughts on whether or not these two particular films were invasions of privacy of Jimin and Jeongguk’s interactions