#jordanessy

[noirspalison]

favorite “cars are a metaphor for homoeroticism/sex” moment/line/scene in The Raven Cycle (feat. one addition from The Dreamer Trilogy)

Ronan constantly dreaming of riding in the Camaro

Kavinsky’s Mitsubishis “sexy messy stylish” slide during his race with Ronan

Adam and Gansey’s roadside meet cute that changed the course of Adam’s life

Ronan and Gansey in the car after Kavinsky’s party

Gansey wishing he looked more like the Camaro, which was to say, more like Adam

Ronan and Kavinsky dreaming up the cars together till they get it right

Ronan teaching Adam to drive stick

Bluesey secret midnight rendezvous where she’s allowed to drive the Camaro

In indiget homo battery

Adam driving Ronan’s BMW by the end of the series

Adam and Ronan’s Camaro thefts

Jordan and Hennessy’s break up in MI with the cars / “they used to race”

Voting ended onAug 7, 2024

honorable mentions:

Ronan being senselessly turned on by Adam on a motorcycle in Call Down The Hawk, eliminated for not technically being a car but still impressive

Jordan stealing Declan’s car and in doing so feeling closer to Hennessy while also closer to Declan.

Adam teaching Gansey about fixing cars.

The picture in Adam’s glove rendezvous has a the man (who looks like Greenmantle, which is to say like a combination of Ronan and Gansey, which is to say he looks like Declan but I digress) standing next to a German made car.

I could have sworn in addition to the Gansey comparing Adam to the Pig scene there was a scene where Ronan did as well but I looked up every time the word “Camaro” is mentioned in the Dream Thieves + The Raven King (only books with Ronan pov chapters) and did not find this so I wonder if I made it up, or saw someone else misremember and then adopted it in my memory. Someone enlighten me if not. There are certainly others but I either couldn’t remember them or couldn’t find text evidence to confirm they were real. Of course, you might say that some of these were likely more intentional from a doylist pov than others, however the text is the text and motifs are motifs. I am simply an academic presenting my findings to you all.

Also the Latin line is said twice once when the Camaro breaks down Ronan says it jokingly to Gansey in the scene where he also puts a leg over Adam’s, then Adam remembers it after a breakdown in TDT as applying to how he’s a “trainwreck” right before finding himself in Ronan’s dream. Feel the others are self explanatory enough but thought this one merited explanation if you haven’t reread recently.

[immaterial-pearl]

invitation to elaborate on jordanessy-ronsey parallels (I did make a post about jordanessy-adansey parallels I see although I need to remake it at some point because the original wasn’t too coherent..probably after I’m done rereading) I can see the codependency parallel and the idea of Jordan/Gansey kind of being the person who kept Hennessy/Ronan alive for a long time in a sense at least from the latter chars pov, but curious about the rest!

Yeah so my initial thought was similar to what you said here.

But also- I feel like Hennessy and Ronan felt incredibly alienated from Jordan and Gansey.

They both percieve the other half of the relationship to be much more stable than they are and more adjusted to the real world.

Ronan and Hennessy find each other, in their period of mourning (loss of gangsey and loss of the extended Hennessy clone universe), as they revert to the mindset of being a lone person fighting against the entire world.

Gansey was the line standing in between Ronan and dream-suicide, just like Jordan stands in between Hennessy and regular suicide. I don’t remember if there are more examples of this in Jordan’s narration, but it’s shown in the roof party scene if I remember correctly.

Jordan is able to be an artist. Gansey is able to be wild and free. Hennessy feels like she can only make copies. Ronan feels like the second he gains freedom and ability to be wild, he gets hurt (Kavinsky, depression in the barns, aka his favourite place in the world).

Hennessy and Ronan both “bite” Jordan and Gansey for being too protective of them, even though they know they need the other to keep them in line (or believe to need them).

Jordan and Gansey were also both at some point primary caretakers of Hennessy and Ronan when it comes to “dreaming” as a disability.

Ronan and Hennessy both hate and express extreme jealousy over Gansey’s and Jordan’s romantic partners and close friendships (possesiveness due to the feeling that they don’t deserve the other).

Just some of my loose thoughts!!! Feel free to add more:3.

[noirspalison]

out of curiosity, what’s your favorite td3 ship based solely on the content for that pairing that exists within the dreamer trilogy as opposed to like, the longevity of TRB through Greywaren.

Jordeclan

Jordanessy

td3 Pynch

Carmenessy

Carliana

Mor x Niall

Ronanessy

Ronan x Bryde

Decladam

another ship I forgot about or didn’t know exists

Voting ended onJul 11, 2024

(only rule for the last option is they have to have interacted on page at least once within the three books)

[immaterial-pearl]

What if I were a girl with a shitty mom and a shitty dad and I had no one in this world but myself. And I made you (and you were a clone of me) so we could both be a girl with a shitty mom and a shitty dad and we had no one in this world but each other. What if.

[immaterial-pearl]

I wish trc fandom had animatics. Or at least more animatics. I need to put jordanessy into an insane amount of edgy vocaloid breakup songs but I dont have time COME ON PEOPLE. Sit down play mid 2010's voca hits and get to work.

[noirspalison]

was musing about some parallels between Jordan and Adam + Jordan and Blue re: wanting autonomy or wanting something more / to be recognized as special individually rather than as part of either a group of women where you have to play the level headed or non magical one or being in the shadow of one specific person who’s your best friend… and that got me thinking about the triangulated structures of early Blue-Adam-Gansey and Declan-Jordan-Hennessy. Jordan and Adam both feel pulled towards a connection with Declan and Blue partly because those characters are outsiders to their tight knit group where they play a specific role of providing logic or a soothing (thinking of Ronan’s mention of Adam serving as a calming presence and attributing seeing less of Gansey on fire to that) effect (and I would similarly say that Hennessy kind of romanticizes/exaggerates these traits in Jordan in narration like Gansey does with Adam in cdth / trb) and also are looking at them separate to Hennessy/Gansey (from their pov because that doesn’t end up being true for Blue a lot of the time, it is true for Declan) and that’s inverted with Declan and Blue who are the less magical or non magical members of magical families and want a connection outside of that, to someone normal (although neither Jordan nor Adam it turns out actually is). So in both of these dynamic structures you have a character B who desires autonomy and fears their intense codependent dynamic with a character C who they love / is the person most important to them at this point will mean they don’t get to have that, and character A is appealing to them as a potential escape from C, a relationship where they can get the connection they desire without having to compromise on that autonomy. 

It’s interesting to look at those similarities and then think about how differently the trajectories of Jordeclan and Bluedam were. Jordan and Declan are first drawn to each other partially as escapes from the complicated relationships they have with other people and roles they tend to fall into but fall in love with each other as people on their own merit, and build something that lasts because of it. With Bluedam I’m honestly not that interested in arguing for whether they were or weren’t ever in love that would be a different post / you can draw those lines for yourself, but the way they process their feelings for each other never breaks out of that seeking escape / validation pattern, at least not while they’re dating. 

I feel like there are a few different factors you could point to as reasons they end up so differently. The first and most obvious one is that because for a lot of td3 the characters are geographically separated, Jordan in MI is distanced from Hennessy and the other doubles for the first time and simultaneously missing Hennessy and mourning the girls and getting to explore her own freedom, with and without (the car theft lol) Declan. When she and Declan are together they can truly focus on each other and their developing feelings. It would be interesting to see how that would be different if Hennessy were in Boston with them because I think that could complicate the arc. It also helps that Hennessy and Declan genuinely have subzero interest in each other outside of the context of Jordan, much less messy (Ik that’s ironic to say about anything concerning Jordan/Hennessy but yeah in this context simples things up xd). As opposed to Blue and Gansey obviously developing strong feelings and starting to fall in love during this time, Declan fulfills Jordan’s need to be seen as real detached from Hennessy while Blue can’t fulfill Adam’s need to be seen as / feel like an equal to Gansey. (what Adam’s seeking there also is slightly dehumanizing to Blue in a way that what Jordan’s seeking from Declan isn’t to him though, I think that’s important to keep in mind. And in taking that approach he’s going to fail to give Blue what she needs which is to not be seen/treated as a useful object the way she feels she sometimes is in 300 fox way). 

However I think the biggest contributing factor is some of the key differences between Jordan and Adam, namely the fact that Jordan is much more emotionally self aware than Adam is about these dynamics and what she wants from them (I mean it isn’t difficult to be more emotionally self aware than Adam, but still). To be clear Jordan’s pov of Hennessy is definitely not wholly reliable and she tends to want to see the best in her to a point of denial sometimes, but when it comes to Her feelings Jordan knows how much she loves Hennessy while also wanting to be her own person outside of her, knows when that love for her drives her actions and knows that she does want to preserve a version of their relationship even if things can’t be the same. She has doubts about how possible that is or if she should continue to strive for that when she learns Hennessy hasn’t been honest with her about things as important as their memories of Jay or when Hennessy is cruel/pushing her away, however she isn’t in denial about the feelings themselves in the same way. This allows her greater success with navigating and pursuing the other people and things she wants (Adam also gets there but he needs to purposefully detach a little in order to do that, to break out of that ‘everything in my head is so tangled’ (said to Cabeswater but imo very applicable to all of his relationships and wants and how he interacts with them in the Dream thieves). 

Because Adam at that point in trc is someone who doesn’t really believe in love and certainly not it’s importance, and who wants to be and see himself as someone perfectly logical and whose actions are influenced by nothing but cold logic (lmfao.) he really can’t be honest about what he’s doing in the same way, because that would mean acknowledging in the first place that he loves Gansey and that this drives a lot of his actions (see; not believing in Glendower but being willing to dedicate so much time and energy to the search for Gansey’s sake, forgiving him when he’s thoughtlessly classist and that hurts him, literally being willing to sacrifice his autonomy for him yet turning around and saying that waking the line wasn’t about Gansey look at what I do not what I say etc.). It’s not that his feelings for Blue aren’t real independently from Gansey and also some of how he feels about Gansey is not about Gansey but about how he feels about society/himself, and then some of the latter gets translated to his feelings for Blue / the lense he views her through so it’s a cycle (lol). But basically Adam is pulled between impulses to escape Gansey and stay with him at all cost, imo, and not really honest with himself about either impulse but especially not the latter because he can’t be honest with himself about the root emotions. Here I actually think he’s more like Hennessy than Jordan re: the lines about Hennessy being simultaneously scared of Jordan leaving her and being her own person and scared that she’ll stay with her ‘forever and ever’ while also wanting it so much… they both deeply hate themselves and feel unworthy of love from someone they view as so much better/purer than they are. There’s definitely more to be dissected here but I think I’d need to reread both series again for that so as of right now these are my thoughts. re: Declan-Jordan-Hennessy and early Bluedansey + Jodanessy and Adansey parallels/anti-parallels 

[immaterial-pearl]

Chappel Roan would propably not be Hennessy’s first choice of music (Charli XCX Hennessy truther) but I could see her saying shit like “When you wake up next to him in the middle of the night with your head in your hands you’re nothing more than his wife” to Jordan a 100%. Toxic clone yuri!!!!!!

[noirspalison]

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The trc + td3 gang reads Chapter 9 of The Raven Boys, a Gansey chapter. from Jordan’s pov.

cw: suicide attempts (both Ronan’s being referenced in the chapter in the book and the thoughts Jordan is having about Hennessy’s)