I know your whole thing is deacon but I do love your meta stuff even though it’s been Years. But I’m replaying the game again and I remembered that it’s heavily implied (or at least to me) that vault 75 is the origin of the gunners, who MacCready describes as cult like in their mercenary work. Thoughts?
HEY! So it’s been a minute since I’ve played FO4 so I’m going off of the wiki entry for Vault 75 and Oxhorn’s video exploration of Vault 75 which is not usually how I like to figure things out but it’s all I have available to me right now and I don’t want to keep you waiting for your ask to get answered.
I think the question is whether the Gunners originated from Vault 75 or just happen to base their operations out of Vault 75. I couldn’t find definitive info one way or the other but I think both ideas are plausible!
The brainwashing and reprogramming the kids were subject to within Vault 75 are similar tactics to what the Gunners employ. Maybe one of the genetically engineered child soldiers survived the mutiny and created the Gunners once they reached Uptopland?
"One day, children, you will.” Said the Overseer. “That's why you must do your best at classes and training every day. So you can grow up big and strong, and go make Uptopland a happy and safe place for poor people who live there.”
Sue and Roy smiled at that, and ran off to their lessons, eager to help.
An issue I see with this scenario is that the Gunners aren’t very moralistic, they don’t see themselves as the saviors of the Wasteland as say The Brotherhood of Steel. It could have played out similarly to what we see with General Becker’s terminal entries in Libertalia - that this child soldier tried enacting what they’d been taught about saving Uptopland, only to find out that it wouldn’t work that way, and was eventually disillusioned and abandoned some of their morals in order to survive.
Another issue is that the Gunners aren’t really super soldiers as we encounter them. Maybe their scientifically modified genes didn’t pass down the ranks but the military training did? That could explain things.
It could also be that Vault 75 is just a good place for a paramilitary group to set up shop; the vault has military training facilities, ammunition, guns, and a controllable entrance/exit. It’s a smart place for them to be. The Gunners could’ve stumbled across this vault like they did with Vault 95 and hit the commando jackpot. New recruits could be brought here for basic training and reprogramming. They can resupply. They can use the fortifications.
I imagined the Gunners like modern-day doomsday prepper groups, or even more closely related to the indigenous paramilitary group Tony Poe created during the Vietnam War (an inspiration for Col. Kurtz from Apocalypse Now), which would certainly play into the way Macready talks about the Gunners being like a cult.
I know I talked in circles, but I think it’s plausible that there’s a connection between the experiments of Vault 75 and the existence of the Gunners, or that it’s just a stroke of luck for the Gunners in finding Vault 75 - but either way, I hope this helped.