#lo zagreus

[kotamagic]

This is late cuz my phone gallery has been a massive bitch tonight, but here goes...

She's still holding him off. Not good, and it gets worse as time goes on. Hades is trying super hard not worry or panic, but it's not helping.

Thanatos is still MIA as well. Even Daphne hasn't heard from him, but now, she's going to be worried too.

Is this "Call Hermes" whistle anywhere in the original myths? Seems kind of a random thing for Hades to have.

Seeking out Ares as "death-adjacent" is a logical path to follow. Given that Aphrodite is with Hephaestus now, you'd think Ares would do his war job....more effectively? You know, MORE people dying rather than less? After all, where there's war, there's death...

Finally, some fucking progress with this! Persephone, you couldn't have dropped at least a little more information as to what's going on? If it was super personal or something someone else isn't supposed to know about, the least you could do it tell your husband!

Excellent question! Did she get PTSD during the wedding night? Did she not enjoy it? Was the dream dive too much for her?

OH.

So.... there are a lot of variations on the origin of Dionysos...

Zeus r*ped Persephone and Dionysos happened.

Zeus slept with Semele and she got pregnant; TL;DR Hera got Semele dead, but Zeus saved the baby by... attaching him to his thigh?

Dionysos and Zagreus are the same deity.

There are other variations, but these are the most common.

In terms of LO, I doubt it's the Zeus/Persephone one. Zeus is an asshole, but pretty sure there are some buttons of Hades/Persephone you DO. NOT. PUSH.

Zeus/Semele is the source I'm guessing Rachel is aiming for, but I could be wrong.

Dionysos is Zagreus? Questionable, but it might be used to explain why he's with Persephone and not with, you know, Zeus up on Olympus. If we're going with the Zeus/Semele origin, then Zeus likely does NOT want Hera to find this kid. Better to try passing him off as his nephew, though with that purple coloration, it's a dead giveaway.

One last thing!

Persephone said the baby is "dying to meet" Hades. Is this a reference to the "death and rebirth" origin? In it, Zagreus is stillborn, but is somehow brought back to life as Dionysos.

Too many ways that this could go!

Anyway, thanks for coming to my LO post.

[shizukateal]

Lore Olympus Fast-Pass thoughts (203)

Let's talk Kronos, the underworld bureaucracy, and Ariadne.

Yeah, that ain't him, chief.

Perse, if you cut your finger off can you regrow it like a plant?

Please tell me you wouldn't have fallen for that even if Zeus hadn't told you he was around.

I liked the moth theme a lot, but I prefer how Perse looks with her hair down like that.

I'll talk about that maze in a minute.

The cons of Kronos being a horny old man is interacting with him. The pros are that, much like his youngest son, his dick takes over his brain when it gets hard, so he is the most gullible bitch around right now.

Ngl tho, I would find that expression adorable if that was actually Hades.

I too thought that Kronos had taken her to the sleep realm, so we're even on this one, Zeusie.

On the one hand I am also not sure what Zeus will do in this situation, on the other he is an annoying little shit, can shapeshift, has a lot in common with his father, and both of them hate eachother so there's definitely a lot of possibilities around.

Oooooooh this look is a winner for me.

Ok, so last week I re-devised my Fertility Goddess Heir Theory in case Zagreus and Dionysus end up fused into the same being. I've also been saying that Perse will probably end up trapping Kronos in Elysium, so this maze could be foreshadowing for that, but its presence is also interesting because of some fascinating little details about the underworld family that are not talked about very often.

Remember Ariadne? Dionysus' wife, the one who gave Theseus that yarn to travel the maze? Well, some tellings say that after she died because Perseus, Dionysus went to Hades, got her and his mom out the underworld and got them deified -I get the feeling this was also that time Dionysus promised that guy to fuck him and that resulted in the invention of the dildo-. This is probably to explain that she seemed to be a deity in Crete, "The Mistress of the Labyrinth", specifically. Now, obviously that referred to the maze we actually know about and not the one this episode but, wouldn't you know it? I found out through Wikipedia that apparently, her dad, Minos, ends up as a judge of the dead after his death! And her shitty ex also ends up tortured down there for a while until Heracles bails him out. So wouldn't it be exquisite if Zagreus Dionysus becomes a prince of the underworld and has his wife work in his realm, close to his dad? Wouldn't that be a thing.

[koreecob]

Melinoe: Okay so how do we buy some

Zagreus: We can't, theyre only available in South Ah-mer-ee-ca

Melinoe: *looks at him with pure annoyance*

Zagreus: What?

Melinoe: South AMERICA

Zagreus:

Zagreus: Oh

[incorrect-au-master]

Protective big brother Zagreus:

Dionysus: See that guy?

*points to Apollo*

Dionysus: We don't like him.

Macaria: *nods*

Melinoe: *nods*

[kaneni09]

Did I just use draw the squad memes to show the dynamic between all three of Hades & Persephone’s kids instead of just writing a description for each of them.

Yes I did.

Original memes below

[sellyworks]

K I added color!

Lemme explain -

Zagreus being the last child and only boy came out looking a lot like hades , the colors a switched. He had much darker blue hair and light blue skin but has his mother's rosy pink eyes. He prefers to have his hair long and growing , he does sometimes cut it though.

Being the baby he's spoiled by Persephone , he's a total mama's boy and unlike most gods he actually loves his dad very much.

He takes after his sister in the flirt department and often attracts a lot of women , he has steady relationships , he's not a complete dick though.

I can see him being much more gentlemen-like compared to his father! These two are like weird twin's -

Macaria is the oldest and the mature one , but is way to rebellious for own good and gets into trouble a lot.

She looks like a female mini hades , having his red eyes but she has hee mother's body type and flower power. She's blunt and sarcastic for the most part but fun loving and caring in her own way.

She looks after her sibling's and won't let anyone talk down to them or herself just because their underworld gods.

Melinoé is the middle child and freaking adorable. She looks just like a mini Persephone , just a little more peachy in skin tone. She has the same shy and sweet personality her mother has , she can be scary though if you try hard enough to make her angry.

She loves both the underworld and the mortal realm , harvesting with demeter is always fun.

When the six month's are up she always is the first to want to go back with her mother , But it goes in order.

Macaria first , Melinoé second and Zagreus last.

All three of them love their grandma , despite how demeter may feel towards hades , she can't help herself from adoring her grandchildren.

Over time she becomes friends with hades again , and is this very strict but loving grandmother that'll Always have food waiting for them whenever they come to visit.

" Hades have you not been feeding my Grandbabies? Look at your son , he's a thin as twig! Come sugar I made a whole feast for you to eat all to yourself."

" I love coming here - " - Zagreus

Demeter is basically that mom that'll Always have a pantry full of snacks and makes large dinners and lunches , she'd be insulted if you Didn't come and eat her food.

Best grandma-

[shizukateal]

About Dionysus in LO: I was reading up on Nietzsche’s essay The Birth of Tragedy, where he proposes that there are two different types of art—Apollonian and Dionysian. The Apollonian way represents reason, civilization, and the individual; while the Dionysian way represents ecstasy, transcendence, and “primordial unity”. (1/4)

(ask 4 under the cut for those who want to avoid spoilers) Long story short, however I talked about these things in the second part of my original theory, and then I revised that because the probability of Zagreus and Dionysus being the same person in Lore Olympus is greater than my original idea of them being separate.

In any case, yeah, I don't know how much Rachel is taking from Nietzsche, but it's certainly interesting to see this interpretation of Apollo in which so much focus is put on his power through social acceptance, especially with the clear build-up to Dionysus that the story is setting -Dionysus famously being an outcast in contrast and all-. To me, a conflict between the 2 is inevitable, especially because both of them count as successors to Zeus. It hadn't occurred to me that Dionysus could be a fertility god, although I'm not sure how much relevance that will have. The only other male fertility god I can think of is Pan, if I'm not wrong? And Pan DOES share a myth with Apollo when Midas (yes, the same Midas of Dionysus) gives his music criticism in aa contest between the two, so there could be something forming there, I just don't have enough to shape it into a concrete theory yet. (more under the cut)

I'd find it extremely difficult for Apollo to exploit Dionysus. They are related, so he can't seduce him and the Bacchae tells you all to you need to know about how Dionysus treats people who try to diminish him.

About Zagreus, as I said above it is more likely that he won't really be separate from Dionysus. As much as I prefer them separate, having them be the same person would simplify a lot of things for Rachel, since there's too little info on Zagreus to go on and in contrast Dionysus has all the juicy stuff. Still, it would be a heavy (in a good way) emotional moment for the story. If they were separate then Zagreus, probably the first son of our leads and the proof that Hades is not infertile, would die but then revive as his own person, but if he needs to be mixed into Dionysus for that to happen then the parentage would have to be shared with Zeus, at least enough for him to qualify in the succession war. Still, even with that I'm sure that Dionysus would much rather consider Persephone and Hades as his parents, since Zeus doesn't raise him.

It just occurred to me however that this is all based on the assumption that Zagreus would be the first biological child between the two (I say biological because I get the feeling we will be getting Adonis first). Which makes sense, given that the circumstances of his birth and rebirth are the most flashy and relevant to what the themes of the story seem to be building up to, but then there's Melinoe to consider. Could she be the first? Or maybe even a twin of Zag's? She has less chances since we know so little about her, but in any case she is a factor to calculate assuming my fertility goddess theory is right. I certainly hope she doesn't stay in chapter 204 as a dream of Hades! (assuming the little blue and pink girl was her)

[koreecob]

Young Makaria, after getting checked out from school: I didn't know I had a doctor's appointment today?

Melinoe: You don't

Zagreus, driving the car: We lied

Makaria: hUh

Melinoe: Mama and dad are out in Olympus for some important stuff until tomorrow

Zagreus: So were going to Disneyland