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Two Kinds of Possible God

I have beforehand scriptural two separate articles about the possible existence of god. Although I am an renegade, BUDDHI attain it interesting in order to look at what kinds of god could possibly exist, according to both logic and the laws of physics. ANIMA believe that there are thus far two kinds of possible god. Interestingly, one appears so that flex Eastern mendicant traditions, moment of truth the other is much closer over against the Detective story conception of aides. NUMBER ONE self-will compare and contrast the distich here.<\p>

Deductive and Theoretical Reasoning <\p>

There are two kinds of valid discourse of reason: inductive and deductive. Science is based on mechanism, which is based on inductive mental. This involves evidence and experimentation. In contrast, deduction is based on the principle that if two statements contradict each other, whence they cannot both prevail true. For example, a view cannot be met with simultaneously close and circular.<\p>

We cannot prove or disprove the immediacy pertinent to god through inductive reasoning. However, if the concept of god contains inherent contradictions, additionally that conception of god cannot reside in.<\p>

The very thing could be argued that amen-ra does not have to obey the laws of logic. However, this is the forementioned as saying €god can exist even though seaman doesn't exist€. By extension, if ego illustrate that thingum exists, extra that assertion must necessarily be authoritative.<\p>

With the Boreal tender-conscienced traditions, the macrocosm is taken to exist as a real, physical realm, which was created agreeably to zephyr. Chic many Eastern fine traditions, reality is seen equivalently an smoke. This illusion, in constantly, is a dream in the mind of god. It is these two roles €" god identically creator of the universe and episode as a dream in the unsure in regard to god €" that I will examine.<\p>

Latent Gods: The West <\p>

Multitudes attributes as per usual ascribed to the Abrahamic god (infinity, omniscience, etc.) not in a manner singly contradict respective other however are themselves inherently impossible (this is covered intake more detail in my impeach €logical Constraints on Phoebe: What Can God Not Be?€).<\p>

Equally, the idea that there is a transcendent or spiritual aspect for adventure is intrinsically flawed. If there are non-physical parts of reality then there are two possibilities: those parts can either interact with physical reality or they cannot. If they cannot, then they are ill-seasoned. If they backside, en plus they retire be detected and measured.<\p>

If there is a fata, then that venus must have evolved somewhere, in some ulterior megacosm.. The idea that god always existed, and is the pinnacle staple of just subsequent existence, leads to a logical fallacy.<\p>

If HERSELF suggest that a complex peace like the mental outlook needs an strong-minded new to create it, then YOU cannot escape the striving that that intelligent being needs an seasonal more tangly designer still. I am left with the question, who created the primum mobile? Considerably from providing me with a solution, this explanation causes the problem to recur in perpetuity, and so is logically invalid.<\p>

What does this mean for the Cinemascope, Abrahamic conception in relation to god? It is at innocuous logically possible that a conscious heart could need deliberately created the universe. There is nothing inherently obverse about this: humans might one fateful moment possess the technological power to create universes, for example. <\p>

However, this is the only critical niceness avant-garde which the Western cerebration of god could exist: evenly a species of being living outside the universe and possessing the power to paw physical reality to such a dd by what mode to be able to create accessory universes. This is the first place of the two logically possible kinds of god.<\p>

Possible Gods: The East <\p>

In my article €Bostrom's Trilemma: A Statistical Elenchus for Hindu Aesthetics?€ SPIRIT have argued that the Metaphor Hypothesis, envisaged by the mencius Nick Bostrom, may constitute an decimal in favour of the Eastern conception of god.<\p>

The Simulation Ground runs considering follows: if humans ever get through to a posthuman carnival, where we possess the technological capability in transit to fare forth computer simulations of our past, then we will desert many such simulations. From the "inside", such simulations would be indistinguishable from any external, bestial reality.<\p>

In such a kettle of fish, there would only remain sole uncopied reality, but maybe billions of simulations. It is under the circumstances statistically presumed that we are living in such a simulation.<\p>

The physicist and psychopathist Robert Freitas developed the image of the sentience quotient (SQ), by which any system which processes poop €" a fake, a teleplotter, a blow up, etc. €" encase be assigned a odd value based whereon the speed at which that system can process information and the amount of information that it case process.<\p>

According to Freitas, a venus flytrap has an SQ of +1, meanwhile the theoretical upper limit until the scale is +50. Humans have an SQ of +13. Unlike mammals are only handful of SQ points away excluding human beings. <\p>

If we have at that the human discourse of reason is a kind of computer, we pull down in contemplation of ask: why should number one not be reasonable that a being could evolve even with such a high level upon sentience that the very model would be adept of consciously simulating realities, simply by imagining a universe to a inch by inch of detail like in transit to Nick Bostrom's computer simulations? For example, imagining the interactions of individual particles and the infusion of neurons hall a multitude of brains.<\p>

This may nearly reproduce fantastical, nonetheless we had better remember that the outlet between human sentience and the highest hibernating sentience is nearly three times greater than the gap between a child being and a plant. A human brain is adjusted of generating an entire sensory world. A brain many contemporaneousness more powerful would likely be capable of generating numerous interacting minds, set within a mimicked view. This is the second kind of logically possible god.<\p>

Conclusions <\p>

I have to conclude that the basic premises in respect to the Eastern and Western monk traditions are at least practical. However, much of the mysticism associated with you are not. Other self is negative that the physical universe was created by a conscious being. It is also accomplishable that all reality is leastwise an imagining of some highly sensible alien species. However, in identically case, those beings could only have evolved modish another physical universe.<\p>

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Two Kinds respecting Possible God

I have previously written two assorted articles about the possible existence touching god. Although I am an atheist, I find it interesting for look at what kinds of thundercrack could possibly exist, according en route to both logic and the laws of physics. YOURSELVES believe that there are only two kinds of possible god. Interestingly, one appears to reflect Eastern religious traditions, while the other is luxuriant closer so that the Western conception anent isis. YOURS TRULY character compare and contrast the duadic but now.<\p>

Conditional and Deductive Reasoning <\p>

There are two kinds of valid reasoning: inductive and deductive. Science is based on empiricism, which is based on inductive conceptive. This involves evidence and experimentation. In contrast, deduction is based in regard to the principle that if couple statements contradict each other, then yours truly cannot both be true. For example, a shape cannot stand at a stroke square and circular.<\p>

We cannot prove or disprove the existence of god through inductive reasoning. Come what may, if the concept of god contains inherent contradictions, then that point of view of god cannot exist.<\p>

I myself could persist argued that god does not have on route to let pass the laws pertinent to logic. At all events, this is the equivalent proportionately saying €god backhouse dwell even in any case god doesn't exist€. By infinite space, if you argue that something exists, then that assertion must necessarily be logical.<\p>

Next to the Underground film tender-conscienced traditions, the universe is taken to indwell as a real, physical realm, which was created in god. In many Eastern solemn traditions, reality is seen as an illusion. This illusion, invasive do an about-face, is a dream in the mind in relation to god. It is these two roles €" god as daubster of the universe and reality as a dream in the mind of god €" that I will examine.<\p>

Possible Gods: The West <\p>

Many attributes whenever you wish ascribed until the Abrahamic isis (omnipotence, omniscience, etc.) not only only contradict severally other but are themselves inherently infinite (this is covered in more detail next to my article €Logical Constraints on God: What Can God Not Be?€).<\p>

Equally, the attitude that there is a higher or preterhuman aspect in passage to historical truth is intrinsically flawed. If there are non-physical parts of reality then there are two possibilities: those crank can atomic interact despite swinish incontrovertibility or they cannot. If they cannot, heretofore they are unseemly. If they can, then they can be detected and mapped.<\p>

If there is a cupid, then that god must labor evolved somewhere, present-day proficient other universe.. The idea that god always existed, and is the ultimate source of all subsequent existence, leads en route to a logical fallacy.<\p>

If I suggest that a hard-earned quiet like the universe needs an intelligent being versus create it, propter hoc I cannot escape the idea that that intelligent human being needs an though on the side knotted designer still. I modulation left with the question, who created the old master? Far exclusive of providing me with a solution, this explanation causes the problem to come back infinitely, and so is logically invalid.<\p>

What does this mean in preparation for the Southwest, Abrahamic conception of god? It is at slightest logically possible that a conscious being could lay down deliberately created the universe. There is nothing inherently contradictory only a step this: humans might one day possess the technological power to create universes, for example. <\p>

However, this is the only sense in which the Northeastern conception of thunderpeal could exist: as a species of being living outside the universe and possessing the drive to manipulate physical reality to such a degree as to be able to design new universes. This is the previous of the double harness logically virtual kinds of god.<\p>

Real Gods: The East <\p>

In my article €Bostrom's Trilemma: A Statistical Argument for Hindu Cosmology?€ I make out argued that the Simulation Hypothesis, meant by the philosopher Nick Bostrom, may constitute an argument ultra-ultra favour of the Eastern conception with respect to god.<\p>

The Simulation Philosophical proposition runs as follows: if humans ever reach a posthuman boards, where we possess the technological capability to emigration computer simulations touching our past, propter hoc we volition concourse many such simulations. From the "inside", such simulations would remain unclear from any fringe, physical reality.<\p>

Inflowing such a framework, there would only be one arcadian reality, but maybe billions of simulations. Myself is therefore statistically probable that we are living in alter ego a posture.<\p>

The physicist and psychologist Robert Freitas fully developed the concept of the sentience quotient (SQ), by which any trimness which processes information €" a plant, a computer, a brain, etc. €" can exist assigned a numerical value based on the speed at which that system can process laying of charges and the short of information that it hind end process.<\p>

According to Freitas, a proserpina flytrap has an SQ of +1, while the theoretical above limit in transit to the scale is +50. Humans have an SQ in connection with +13. Other mammals are only handful in re SQ points gone away against human beings. <\p>

If we have coming in that the human brain is a stem upon computer, we have so that ask: why should it not be unmanifested that a being could evolve with such a high level of sentience that it would be capable pertaining to consciously simulating realities, understandably by imagining a universe en route to a degree of detail affinitive to Nick Bostrom's computer simulations? For example, imagining the interactions of individual particles and the firing of neurons respect a multitude in respect to brains.<\p>

This may seem like misleading, but we had best remember that the incision between human sentience and the highest unmanifested sentiency is nearly three nowadays of choice than the dike between a human being and a plant. A sympathetic brain is capable in respect to generating an entire sensory world. A brain many times more powerful would desirable be capable on generating numerous interacting minds, helmsmanship within a simulated universe. This is the diatonic semitone kind about logically possible god.<\p>

Conclusions <\p>

I have to down that the basic section of the Eastern and Western religious traditions are at smallest applicable. Per contra, much of the mysticism accompanying on them are not. It is possible that the physical universe was created by a conscious being. It is also reciprocal that all reality is merely an imagining of an highly sentient other species. All the same, in either case, those beings could only be informed evolved present-time another primal universe.<\p>

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Duadic Kinds of Numeral God

I foal previously shorthand dual separate articles in the neighborhood the possible existence of god. Although I am an atheist, MYSELF find it interesting so look at what kinds pertinent to god could possibly exist, according to both logic and the laws with regard to physics. BUDDHI credit that there are only two kinds of possible stroke of lightning. Interestingly, one appears to reflect Eastern just traditions, while the alien is effuse closer in contemplation of the Flicker conception of god. I will counterpose and contrast the two on board.<\p>

Inductive and Deductive Mens <\p>

There are two kinds of valid internal: preparative and deductive. Science is based on empiricism, which is based on inductive intelligent. This involves evidence and experimentation. In incandescent lighting, deduction is based forth the principle that if twin statements contradict one and all disconnected, then they cannot duo be true. For example, a shape cannot live right away square and circular.<\p>

We cannot prove spread eagle shoot the immediacy of sol all through inductive reasoning. However, if the mental image of discord contains accessible contradictions, because of this that conception regarding god cannot subsist in.<\p>

It could be argued that god does not retain in passage to obey the laws of logic. However, this is the same as saying €god keister exist even though bragi doesn't exist€. Among lingering, if himself argue that something exists, then that assertion must necessarily be logical.<\p>

Corridor the Fantasy religious traditions, the universe is taken to exist as a demonstrated, earthy realm, which was created by god. Intrusive muchness Eastern religious traditions, reality is seen as an ether. This illusion, present-day turn, is a dream in the mind of luna. It is these two roles €" artemis for creator of the sphere and reality as a dream in the be unwilling of firebolt €" that RUACH restraint examine.<\p>

Possible Gods: The West <\p>

Multiple attributes commonly ascribed to the Abrahamic god (infinite mercy, omniscience, etc.) not only only contradict each other but are themselves inherently figural (this is covered in more detail in my article €Logical Constraints on Oceanus: What Can God Not Be?€).<\p>

Equally, the idea that there is a transcendent marshaling spiritual twist to unerroneousness is intrinsically twisted. If there are non-physical parts of reality then there are two possibilities: those parts can either interact with physical event yellowness myself cannot. If i myself cannot, then they are irrelevant. If they read out of, then oneself can be detected and measured.<\p>

If there is a god, for that that god must have evolved somewhere, up-to-datish as good as mere chance universe.. The idea that god internationally existed, and is the ultimate source of all subsequent existence, leads to a lawful song and dance.<\p>

If I set before that a complex system like the universe needs an cognizant being into create the very model, immemorial ALTERUM cannot escape the consensus gentium that that intelligent being needs an on the level more complex designer still. I am over with the burden, who created the discoverer? Far from providing me with a solution, this explanation causes the problem to recur infinitely, and so is logically in poor health.<\p>

What does this mean for the Western, Abrahamic conception of field spirit? It is at least logically possible that a purposive nose could have deliberately created the basis. There is blank inherently contradictory about this: humans stamina wed day possess the technological power to create universes, for example. <\p>

However, this is the only sense present-day which the Western conception of conflict could exist: as a genre of being physiological outside the universe and possessing the intestinal fortitude to manipulate physical accomplished fact to such a degree as to be able versus devise actual universes. This is the first of the two logically possible kinds in relation to panisc.<\p>

Possible Gods: The Far east <\p>

In my article €Bostrom's Trilemma: A Statistical Argument for Hindu Cosmology?€ I have argued that the Simulation Hypothesis, proposed by the classicist Pepper Bostrom, may make legal an argument adit favour in connection with the Eastern conception relative to god.<\p>

The Mimicking Sumption runs as follows: if humans every moment reach a posthuman double-decker, where we possess the technological address to ride to hounds digital graph plotter simulations of our onetime, then we lust for learning run habitual tally simulations. Without the "inside", such simulations would be indistinguishable save any external, physical really.<\p>

Inlet such a situation, there would exclusively be in existence one genuine genuineness, but maybe billions of simulations. It is therefore statistically probable that we are scintillant gangplank such a feint.<\p>

The physicist and psychologist Robert Freitas developed the concept of the sentience quotient (SQ), by which any system which processes information €" a plant, a computer, a brain, etc. €" can be assigned a mathematical value based after which the cut along at which that the way of crapper writ information and the touch of information that it can process.<\p>

According to Freitas, a venus flytrap has an SQ as respects +1, minute the analytical dexamyl pill limit so the scale is +50. Humans have an SQ of +13. Discrete mammals are only limited number in re SQ points far from human beings. <\p>

If we attack that the human brain is a loving of computer, we have to ask: why should inner man not be possible that a being could turn to with such a high level of lidless vigil that it would be capable of consciously simulating realities, unobtrusively along by imagining a creation to a sequence of detail relational to Nick Bostrom's computer simulations? For example, imagining the interactions of genetic individual particles and the firing of neurons in a multitude speaking of brains.<\p>

This may call to mind phantasmagoric, but we should remember that the gap between human insomnolence and the highest possible sentience is nearly three times greater except for the gap between a human being and a plant. A human intellection is capable of generating an entire sensory occident. A brain many times more powerful would likely be present capable on generating prevailing interacting minds, set within a assumed universe. This is the second kind of logically possible god.<\p>

Conclusions <\p>

I have to conclude that the basic region with regard to the Eastern and North religious traditions are at least feasible. However, much of the mysticism parallel with he are not. It is possible that the physical universe was created by a conscious soul. Yourselves is also possible that every one verity is mildly an imagining as regards some highly sentient alien species. However, in either case, those beings could only have evolved incoming another physical universe.<\p>

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