Don’t you love how people neglect talking about Phil’s character throughout most situations in canon with the excuse “oh he’s like Techno but a little nicer” isn’t that just fun for absolutely everyone involved🙃
Guys, I was listening to voices again and I just thought about that nickname “the blade” for a minute. (this has probably been said before just bare with me)
So of course the nickname comes from his username probably much before the voices were canonized. But it makes so much sense in dsmp lore and can show a bit more about his character in my opinion. So it’s “the blade” in other words the weapon, the sword. He used this nickname to point out that all he is is a weapon to Tommy in particular. But when it comes to the voices, he is their weapon. He’s not the wielder who chooses how to react to the situation and who they decide to kill. He is not only a tool to those around him who are willing to use him for their own gain, but his abilities are controlled like a puppet by whatever forces call out to him through his mind. They are the wielder and he is just a sword. . .
I’m just like, you guys know Tubbo’s first reaction was laughing it off and denial when he found out Tommy died!? Yeah Techno and Phil don’t care about Tommy at all, I know that, personally I don’t see anything wrong with that. They aren’t out here clinging onto a kid who betrayed them and hates them.
But no one in canon knows how to deal with that information immediately, although I don’t see them changing their minds about Tommy too me you guys seem to be paying attention to how disrespectful they were (fair) but not how they actually don’t believe Tommy was dead at the time, the denial. I just, Tommy isn’t the end all, be all of the universe dudes.
Line for line analysis of the Doomsday War loyalty argument
Don’t expect this to be anything too profound I’m just gathering my thoughts on the situation.
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Bold text-my comments
Transcript via: dsmptranscripts on Twitter
TOMMY Technoblade, look at me! Do NOT shoot!
TECHNO Tommy… You had your chance, Tommy.
TOMMY Technoblade, listen to me! For once in your life, you didn’t have to do this… You could have compromised!
I do believe Techno did do his fair share of listening to Tommy while they were living together, they planned things together and while Techno might have had so misconceptions about his situation I don’t believe this was a well thought out point.
TECHNO [You gave me-]
TOMMY The thing about the discs, Technoblade, is that they were for me! We could have had a government, you could have let us live- YOU COULD HAVE COMPROMISED!
A compromise would have been helpful but Techno has made his intentions known in the past and no one in l’manburg offered that kind of solution before.
TECHNO I DON’T CARE ABOUT THE DISCS, TOMMY! THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO GO! SELFISH! You used me from the start, Tommy! You are wearing my helmet as we speak!
Yup those are his intentions, but this isn’t an analysis of Technos motives so we’ll leave it at that. It appears to Techno that Tommy used him for self defence and then left him in the dust at this point. That is true, Tommy tried his best but his loyalty was never truly with Techno’s goals. Tommy as a character is far from selfish but his compassion didn’t really extend to Techno for most of their history.
TOMMY Technoblade! You said we betrayed you! You said we are the ones who betrayed you!
TECHNO You betrayed me like 12 TIMES?!
Yeah, throughout their history Tommy and his allies have used Techno and ignored his personal goals in favour of their own. Still Technos “retaliation” here was extremely over the top, but it was not out of the blue. But it isn’t really a betrayal, it wasn’t aimed at Tommy. It might have effected him greatly but it wasn’t some punishment for him.
TOMMY Technoblade look at me! Look at me right now! You said you hated government, you said WE are the ones who betrayed you! But YOU are the one who killed Tubbo when JSchlatt told you to! You are the one who betrayed us out of all of this, Technoblade!
TECHNO [I was peer pressured! You betrayed me like yesterday!]
Tommy has betrayed Techno, it is incorrect to say he hasn’t. But Tubbos execution was a betrayal that’s obvious, not Technos solo choice but still partially his fault.
TOMMY [Your friends- Listen to me! Listen to me! Your friends- YOU-]
TECHNO You used me as a weapon! You never thought of me as a friend, Tommy! You just used me from the start. You just saw me just as “the Blade”, that’s all I was to you “the Blade”, a weapon. Well, guess what?
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I’m choosing what I fight for now and I’m going to destroy the government, Tommy! You all die! It’s gone!
I don’t think that’s entirely correct, Tommy seemed to see him as the blade passively during most of their coexistence. But they were at the very beginning of starting a relationship with one another while living together. Still I don’t think Techno is entirely wrong here. He is clearly sick of letting ppl take advantage of his passion for anarchy, he’s choosing his own battle here.
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TOMMY Look at me, please! Techno! You are our friend! And you know what? I thought friendship- Listen to me, please for- Techno, for once in your life listen to me!
Still going on about their relationship and Techno not listening to him, see above arguments.
TECHNO You never thought of me as a friend, Tommy! I listened to you for weeks and what did you do? You went back to Tubbo, the guy that exiled you! That chosen country over you!
From Technos pov Tubbo was the one who exiled Tommy out of nowhere. Of course he doesn’t know the larger problem.
TOMMY Technoblade, people are above the government. [We- It doesn’t matter if we want a government!]
TECHNO I AM A PERSON!
TOMMY You are, Techno! And so are we! You- The discs! The reason the discs, cause they were stolen from me!
TECHNO DISCS AREN’T PEOPLE!
At this point Tommy hasn’t confronted Technos problems with others treatment of him. And Tommy’s statement isn’t powerful enough to mean anything to Techno, cuz actions speak louder then words. I don’t understand why Tommy brought up the discs here, he was trying to get them back but he’s not working with Techno anymore so of course Techno won’t help him get them back.
TOMMY Nothing is taken from you here, Technoblade! Nothing was taken from you here! You are SELFISH! You destroy what people love for your own selfish gain! You are selfish!
Techno was used and betrayed by many people in l’manburg, his motivations are very different from Tommy’s fight for the discs and the people he cares about. Techno isn’t aiming to gain anything from this, him and Phil just want l’manburg to be destroyed. Him and Phil understand people are losing a lot but they believe it must be done so the government can’t corrupt more people. None of this is really for Techno.
TECHNO [Oh my god…] All of these problems are, because of YOUR government. Your government has caused all of these issues! I believe in freedom, Tommy!
TOMMY You don’t believe- When you are peer pressured that’s not freedom! That’s following what the government says, that was the president telling you to do that!
TECHNO Bro, Tommy, that was like 4 MONTHS ago, okay?
TOMMY And it was and you killed Tubbo! Don’t forget about the past right now!
Tommy is taking this opportunity to lecture Techno about everything he hates about him. While it is a wrong-doing of Technos it is essentially a straw man argument he shifts to.
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TOMMY Even if he wasn’t the president you killed him as well. You are as bad as the government.
TECHNO Hey, remember when I was sitting there alone against the whole government and you and Wilbur just sat there on the sidelines and watched- Did you step in? DID YOU STEP IN?! Were you guys- Were you guys the ones that stepped in and said: “Don’t worry, Technoblade. We know you are in a high-pressure situation, but we’ll fight the world for you, Technoblade!” NO, YOU GUYS WATCHED! You know what I did? Yesterday, when you were surrounded by like 30 people, the whole world was against you? I WALKED IN! I was willing to fight all of them for you, Tommy! I would’ve been there! THAT is the difference between us.
I think this is a fair argument, he was alone, under pressure, and a little bit scared and no one stepped in to help him. And it relates to the argument at hand by trying to explain how betrayed he feels. But the choice to antagonize Tommy in particular reflects his incomplete perspective on both situations. (Wilbur holding back Tommy + The actual exile situation)
TOMMY Techno- we spend hours together, man!
TECHNO DON’T SPEAK TO ME OF LOYALTY!
They have two very different ideas of loyalty, plus Techno has noticeable trust issues at this point. Jeez they are not on the same page here.
TOMMY NO! You are my friend and you BETRAYED US! The thing about this government- The discs- Those were stolen by Dream! Why would you side with a MANIAC!
Tommy gave him the choice to side with them and he chose to not. He’s allied with Dream because they have similar goals. He doesn’t really care about Dreams ideology or past conflicts, Tommy for lack of a better phrase is taking this too personally.
TECHNO You never thought of me as a friend. I don’t care about the discs! I care about freedom, the government! We can’t have freedom with the government!
TOMMY You have your own freedom! Just let people love what they love, man! You are selfish!
Techno believes the government isn’t good for the people of the server, his goals are not meant to be self centred.
TECHNO I used to think like that, Tommy. You know what they did to me? They HAUNTED me down! The whole butcher army! And they executed me. I tried being peaceful, Tommy. But the government made it clear, that we could not coexist.
TOMMY Because you blew up the entire- You spawned withers, just like you did again. All you do is repeat the history, but worse!
TECHNO You guys brought this upon yourselves. I was willing to live in my cottage and be chill and just farm turtles. But you guys made it clear.
I don’t blame l’manburg for not putting it all behind them but they gave Techno (at least in him mind) no other choice. He couldn’t live a happy life as long as l’manburg still had a bounty on his head. But I don’t think self-preservation is selfish in the way Tommy thinks it is. He is essentially a victim of a violent system who retaliated extremely violently.
Overall Tommy’s side of the conversation is messy, he does not understand Technos motives and doesn’t seem to be listening at all. Which is fair given his traumatic circumstances. This argument didn’t really have a loser or winner but I think Techno made more sense and (ironically) listened to Tommy more.
Oh god you guys actually think dream being tortured in that jail cell was right? Y’all think that was just? Ok uhhhh that kind of scares me. Yeah dream should be in prison for his crimes, that doesn’t mean solitary confinement is just ok now? I obviously sympathize with Tommy, poor kid was traumatized for gods sake. But as basic of a moral system it is two wrongs don’t make a right, y’all do be scaring me.
Yo dudes, can we let Techno and Ranboo have their “main character” bit but like its. . . No a thing within the fandom? Everyone has their own story here, and I get it there’s some povs that are (annoyingly) hard to understand the plot without but. . . .
well now that I think about it it’s more my siblings who won’t shut up about it. Anyways I just don’t like how that mindset is sewn into the fandom as a whole. Thx
