Re: "why do people defend the worst possible examples of free speech", I think there's two explanations. First, I think it stems from not understanding that the freedom to speak comes with the freedom to take the consequences for saying horrible things, and second, I think it's lived experience again. I know that you have had friends fall victim to terrible shit, but others haven't, and in *their* experience, attacks on free speech *are* the worst thing. (1/?)
I'm not saying that trying to cure, contain, or erase outbreaks of pedophilia is a *bad* goal - I'm merely saying that it's not one that *occurs* to a good number of people because they *haven't* seen what you have. They haven't seen people get away with terrible shit; they've *only* seen artists get attacked (and, frankly, opening with the case of an artist getting attacked kind of delegitimized your argument - that sort of thing makes people without your experience understandably angry). (2/?)
And, finally (oh look a third reason) - while I will never deny that a firm line *exists*, I will *always* deny that I have perfect knowledge of it, and I think that willingness to engage in debate on *where* the line falls in a not unambiguous subject shouldn't be automatically taken as "permissiveness". I totally understand why it angers you, but I truly believe people are working from the best of intentions here. (3/3)
A fair point, also evidenced by the chungus I responded with my response to saying “I don’t see any evidence [pedoshit] hurts anyone,” though I will also say that; while privelege discourse has had its problems made very much evident; the same dynamics kinda apply to the sort of argument-by-lack-of-experience here, IE they argue against it because they haven’t seen its impacts and talk down anyone who has.
Also, a fair point on the liminality of art, but I will also say that the problem is that so much of our previous decade’s relationship with art was characterized by such an emphasis on that liminality as a shield for never talking about the social impacts; especially in fandom in the wake of the culture wars, and I it kinda ties into how culture was trying to be “ambiguous” and “shades of grey” in the sort of darker-and-edgier content that thrived on that attitude in the 90s/2000s.
And, of course, that “ambiguity” let SO MUCH bad shit slip through. See South Park or, again, the normalization of pedoshit via imported hentai on 4chan and (from what I know of) certain aspects of fandom culture. So; I think there’s a reason why so many people seem wary of any sort of ambiguity; and tut-tutting that ignores the historical context that that worldview is opposing and comes off as wanting that previous status-quo back.