#nes.vent

[nesry-n]

please stop portraying anakin as having an insult based bantering dynamic with obi-wan. in the movies, he is slightly irreverent but largely respectful of him. in fact, anakin is respectful and polite with everybody (except the enemies of course).

also, please stop portraying him as someone vain about his titles. being the chosen one or the hero with no fear are not something he derives validation from. he is confident (and sometimes arrogant) about his skills and power because he directly experiences them—he knows he is that good. he does not step out of himself to applaud his titles. he ain't shallow.

think of anakin as someone others experience as having gravity. anakin experiences his own larger than life existence as ordinary and others experience him as more than ordinary. like how someone of mythic or divine descent would be experienced among ordinary folks.

[nesry-n]

"padmé decided that out of all men to love, she would choose the one who was frequently violent but hugely devoted to her"

...did you watch the movies? Where is this frequent violence that isn't an extreme grief and rage driven anomaly, as a warrior during war (like every other jedi), or post darkside turn? what is this mischaracterisation of both padmé and anakin?

padmé fell for the passionate, compassionate, honest jedi. and anakin was sobbing with guilt after the tusken massacre, and found war as an extremely conflicting period which was used by palpatine to desensitize anakin to killing because he feels everyone's death deeply as he is half-force; even then he is hesitant to kill dooku until manipulated by palpatine.

I read the most absurd things on here, I swear.

[nesry-n]

I am sorry but Vader ain’t climbing onto Palpatine’s funeral pyre. he will absolutely seize power and take the galaxy. that’s stated outright in OT. he would be adrift without a connection (in case Luke isn’t found) but he is definitely taking the power. at that point, he is still sith and still a sith apprentice. that’s natural order amongst the sith—the apprentice taking over the master.

[nesry-n]

"anakin would've been jealous of a child because he is needy/possessive/demanding"

...where? the entire PT is literally about this character, this mircale force being—anakin skywalker—having so much love to give but not being allowed to! if anidala had raised the twins, luke and leia would've grown up showered with such vast and deep love because their father is anakin and their mother is padmé.

["this is the happiest moment of my life", "our baby is a blessing"]; sounds like a father looking forward to smother his child in love—uncontainable in essence.

[nesry-n]

Some people really missed Anakin’s first question as suited Vader “where is Padmé? is she safe? is she alright?” and then his anguished scream when told he killed her. In the RotS novel, he thinks about how this hurts, burns more than the lava. That he loved her, he will always love her—he could never will her death!

He was still actively Anakin before being told about Padmé’s death, and was truly sealed into Vader after it. His love for her is what blurs boundaries between Anakin and Vader—the love that is the bit of goodness still remaining in Anakin through the years and the thing Sidious couldn’t destroy.

Anakin left behind everything deliberately when he turned to the darkside to save Padmé. Preserving her was his motivation because she was everything to him. When she was lost, all was lost. Clubbing her with things and people that didn’t work out for Vader as Anakin when she was the one he chose over everything—she wasn’t something that didn’t work out. The reason he hates himself is because he thinks he destroyed the person he ‘loves beyond love’. She was his everything that was lost! It’s the reason why Vader is an apathetic figure. Because connections are what drove Anakin. It’s the reason why he develops a connection with his abuser himself and stays subservient. Because there is no one to move him in any way. He doesn’t reach for power, for killing Sidious, for ruling the galaxy because none of it matters.

Until Luke comes into the picture. Pretending like Vader wouldn’t abandon empire and Sidious if Padmé comes alive somehow when as Vaderkin, he was already offering Padmé his head—and when he has already seen and mourned the consequences of not following padmé’s request—is certainly.. a choice (and not something that goes with ‘objective’ analysis as some Vader fans claim). Padmé and Luke parallels flew over their heads.

Vader is a pathetic figure who made the wrong choice to save the one thing that mattered to him the most, and then lost that very thing because of his choice. That’s the irony of the PT—it is the movies, it is the director’s commentary, it is in the creative commentary. Suited Vader is not Mustafar Anakin who believed he was reaching peaks of victory and about to gain everything. Suited Vader is the fallen Anakin.

“The thought of not being with you, I can’t breathe”, “Just help me save Padmé’s life, I can’t live without her”—the dialogues literally foreshadow the fate he ends up with without Padmé. Vader is defined by his grief for Padmé.

Anakin loved Padmé—as a person, as a jedi, as a sith, even from beyond the force. Stop questioning that to make your own favourite dynamics shine brighter for no reason.

[nesry-n]

oh look, it's "let's invent flaws about padmé amidala" day again. simply cause many people can't be arsed to understand a character, their archtype, their narrative role and significance deeper than surface.

padmé is a light in the darkness for anakin and the galaxy that is snuffed out at the end of PT as is typical for a tragedy.

[nesry-n]

I take obdala shippers even less seriously than obkin shippers and that's saying something.

and the one you called 'emotionally stunted that padmé barely knew for 2 months' is actually obi-wan, not anakin. might want to recheck what you know about the characters and the actual story if your diss accidentally describes your fave.

also, oh my force, padmé fell for someone who is honest and passionate, cares about what she wants, saved her planet a decade ago, seeks to know and sees the real her, and is intensely devoted.

not, you know, whatever obi-wan is: emotionally stunted, uninteresting (to padmé), dismissive.

and dear force, anakin wins the hotness challenge any day, please. not that padmé was even comparing. or looking.

[nesry-n]

A woman died of a broken heart because the man she loved died a metaphorical death. A man became a walking corpse because the woman he loved died a literal death.

Yes, I know many woman die because a woman’s death was the best idea one could have ever had.

Yet, yet, oh hear me out!

This woman—this woman did not die that purposeless death. With her last breath, the democracy fell. Her death binds the narrative, haunts it like no other has. She took with her the living breath of the man in hell. This woman died a tragic death but her words echoed across time itself! This woman uttered her legacy with her dying breath, inherited by her son who then redeemed the man in hell.

So, no. No! This woman did not die because her death was the best idea one could have ever had.

This woman is Padmé Amidala Naberrie Skywalker and this woman died because had she lived, the future pre-written would not have survived the narrative test, and would have torn her character to literal shreds.