#noahic flood

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Presumably that's how they got the kangaroos, emus and platypuses from Australia.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Can you explain why most civilizations recorded a flood that destroyed most of mankind?

There are hundreds of worldwide flood stories throughout history, with these worldwide memories of a global deluge…there are no similar memories of huge earthquakes or ice ages, or something even close to it!” All these stories have something in common with the original account of the Genesis flood… Noah's flood did not just leave evidence in human history, earth landscapes are scared on every continent along with many undersea formations by paleo "megafloods". The evidence of scaring could not be from the proposed ice age glacial dames breaking, because such dams could never form in the first place. 

Floods are scary and primitive people who don't know how rain words, or how big the world is - or even that it's round - are prone to exaggeration.

And because myths are memes which are passed down through generations. We can even study their origin and evolution phylogenically.

One of the oldest myths in the world is the Cosmic Hunt myth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Hunt

The Cosmic Hunt is an ancient and widely distributed family of cognate myths. The story involves a large animal pursued by hunters; the animal is wounded and transformed into a constellation. Variants of the Cosmic Hunt are common in cultures of Northern Eurasia and the Americas, and include the story of Callisto in classical sources. The prey animal is either a bear or an ungulate, and the associated constellation involves the four stars of the bowl in the Big Dipper asterism of Ursa Major. In some variants blood or grease may fall from the wounded animal; in an Iroquois version the blood causes leaves to change color in autumn. Sometimes the hunters are also placed in the firmament, represented by the stars of the Big Dipper's handle.

The original prototype of the myth likely originated over 15,000 years ago, and diffused across the Bering land bridge. It has been suggested to provide evidence for punctuated equilibrium as a system for myth evolution

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-trace-society-rsquo-s-myths-to-primordial-origins/

The Greek version of a familiar myth starts with Artemis, goddess of the hunt and fierce protectress of innocent young women. Artemis demands that Callisto, “the most beautiful,” and her other handmaidens take a vow of chastity. Zeus tricks Callisto into giving up her virginity, and she gives birth to a son, Arcas. Zeus’ jealous wife, Hera, turns Callisto into a bear and banishes her to the mountains. Meanwhile Arcas grows up to become a hunter and one day happens on a bear that greets him with outstretched arms. Not recognizing his mother, he takes aim with his spear, but Zeus comes to the rescue. He transforms Callisto into the constellation Ursa Major, or “great bear,” and places Arcas nearby as Ursa Minor, the “little bear.”

As the Iroquois of the northeastern U.S. tell it, three hunters pursue a bear; the blood of the wounded animal colors the leaves of the autumnal forest. The bear then climbs a mountain and leaps into the sky. The hunters and the animal become the constellation Ursa Major. Among the Chukchi, a Siberian people, the constellation Orion is a hunter who pursues a reindeer, Cassiopeia. Among the Finno-Ugric tribes of Siberia, the pursued animal is an elk and takes the form of Ursa Major.

Although the animals and the constellations may differ, the basic structure of the story does not. These sagas all belong to a family of myths known as the Cosmic Hunt that spread far and wide in Africa, Europe, Asia and the Americas among people who lived more than 15,000 years ago. Every version of the Cosmic Hunt shares a core story line—a man or an animal pursues or kills one or more animals, and the creatures are changed into constellations.

There's a very large graphic that shows the evolution of the Cosmic Hunt myth, including branching variations.

Doing a simple search for "flood myth phylogeny" results in:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358496051_2021_At_the_Origin_of_Flood_Mythologies_Synthesis_of_Three_Papers_-_The_Retrospective_Methods_Network_Newsletter_15-16_70-76

Abstract This short article offers a survey of three statistically based on phylogenetic studies of flood myths around the world. The three studies have been published in French. The results offer perspectives on the flood myths of the world having spread with population movements already in the Palaeolithic era. The purpose of this article is to make these results accessible to a wider readership with an added discussion of the collective findings.

You can download the full paper for free.

If "the flood is true because many civilizations recorded a flood," then it's also necessary that "the cosmic hunt is true because many civilizations recorded one."

Much more amusingly, the claim itself is hilariously self-refuting. "Most civilizations recorded a flood that destroyed most of mankind"? Take your time... If you're stuck, "most" means the greatest proportion. That is greater than 50%... You got it yet...?

(If you're still struggling, let me take it to its most absurd conclusion: "every civilization recorded a flood that destroyed every civilization." You see the problem now, right?)

Meanwhile, the ancient Chinese and the Australian Aborigines apparently didn't notice or record being completely wiped out and merely went about their days.

"Lots of primitive people who didn't know any better about the nature of the world made the same mistake" is not a compelling argument for creationism. "Everybody in the world died but we didn't know Australia existed" is not persuasive.

BTW, even if I grant you that all these floods happened, they must be literally the same flood, otherwise the entire creationist claim is incoherent. You can't have a "worldwide flood" that nobody noticed, and then explain that by there being multiple floods... that most people didn't notice because they were so small. You must locate them in the same moment in time or it's all completely useless.

More concerningly, none of this actually leads to, "therefore god," much less "therefore my particular god." The same people who recorded floods and attributed them to their various gods also attributed drought, lightning and diseases to their various gods and demons, but we don't claim them as evidence of the gods.

I can grant you the entire worldwide flood claim and we don't get any closer to your specific preferred god. Look at other natural phenomena like the Chicxulub impact 66 million years ago. Even bigger, even more devastating, and for which we have excellent evidence. If such a globe-changing phenomenon doesn't get us to "therefore god," why would a much less significant flood?

If you're going to accept as "proof" what they say about floods, you must also accept what they say about everything else, or otherwise one-by-one justify why not. You don't get to take what they say about floods but ignore what they have to say about thunder and lighting, without a valid justification... one that cannot also be used for the floods. And cannot also be used to justify any other god, like Ahura Mazda or Quetzalcoatl.

I would also remind you of something of which you should already be aware: the burden of proof belongs to you. That I know any of this is neither here nor there. If I didn't, it still wouldn't justify your god. It's not up to me to "disprove" what you haven't proven.

Your creationist superstitions don't get to win by default if I don't happen to know enough about world flood mythology. I could reply to your question with nothing but "I don't know" and you still wouldn't have justified anything, nor would I be in any position to have to reconsider my lack of belief, because it's what's called an Argument from Ignorance.

That's not how science works. So, if you're looking to make a scientific argument, that's not going to fly.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

For God so loved the world, he drowned them all slowly, one by one, over 40 days, that they could witness each other struggle, suffer and finally succumb to the cold, dark, rising waters, because of how he made them, that he should have something entertaining to watch. Amen.

❤️❤️❤️

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

"The earliest surviving account of the flood legend was written down in Mesopotamia 1,000 years before it was retold as the story of Noah in the Old Testament. So, you could say Gilgamesh fulfilled his quest for immortality." -- Neil deGrasse Tyson

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Will Xians finally stop pretending this fable actually happened?

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

"What is the major difference between Satan and God? Satan doesn't drown innocent and defenceless babies!"

Genesis 7:21-23

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

You worship an imaginary mass murderer.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

Christians believe that at one time their god drowned all the babies in the whole world.

Not because it had to… but because it chose to… To Any ethical, decent human being, choosing to kill babies when other options are readily available is disgustingly, morally repugnant!

Ask any five year old the following question: If a Daddy kills little babies, puppies, and kitties every time he gets mad, is he a good, kind, loving Daddy or a bad, mean, hating Daddy?

==

Sky Daddy is the meanest daddy of all.

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]