pretty shocking claim, isnt it? the kind of claim that should be backed up with evidence, right?
well, I agree. in fact, I spent an hour writing up a long reblog proving that the random user @/tomboyfriends is not and has never been the coiner OR the person who popularized the term "transandrophobia", only for the very same person who asked for proof to instantly block me, making my post disappear for everyone else.
I am not going to just drop that. this is now deliberate misinformation being spread by @daughter-of-sapph0, who I now know for sure knows better.
so this is my own original post, documenting her claims and demands for proof, and the post I wrote giving her just that:
below is the reblog chain that led to this.
/end of screenshots
my response:
right. so you admit you vaguely know who saint is, AND that He's the real coiner, but youre claiming that its on ME for thinking that a post that says "the word transandrophobia was coined by a detrans nazi twerf" is about Saint, when there's zero context as to who youre claiming is the "real" coiner. this post is written that way to confuse. even in the screenshots you're using as proof, @/neongreentoxicity immediately knows that person thinks the post is referring to Saint. it is not on me for just reading the post the way its written.
but sure, I will prove how silly this entire conversation is.
this random person who i have NEVER heard of even puts IN that literal post that the word has been used before online, and IN the screenshots you give, @/neongreentoxicity notes that they do know that the word was actually coined on Twitter in 2017. so yall DO know that it is an abject lie to call this person the coiner. she objectively isnt.
also, her bio clearly says "no longer crypto", so she ADMITS she was a crypto all along. crypto terfs exist to spread misinformation and stir up problems in the trans community. this random person ADMITS thats what they were doing!!!!!
but ig now the bar has been moved to proving that she didnt popularize it. fine. thats incredibly easy to prove.
unfortunately, Saint has lost all His posts, as multiple times He was reported repeatedly until He was terminated. so ofc that makes it difficult to prove His popularity, and i know you dont gaf about the actual repeated testimony of people who have been in the community since before this random person's post existed, so I wont even try to use my own experiences as evidence.
but thankfully, we can just use our brains here.
here is that nazi's "coining" post, where op clearly says they didnt coin it, as it already exists. they clearly found the term themselves, and made this post just trying to spread awareness of the term.
lets look down at the bottom. how many notes does this post that apparently "popularized" the term have????? forty-four notes. hmm.
if you go through every other post about transandrophobia on this person's blog, you will see that only ONE other one was made by them. it has fifty-eight notes. interesting.
now lets compare that, shall we?
unfortunately, Saint's old posts are all wiped from this website. I even signed into my old blog where multiple times I helped Hymn find His old posts and sent them to Hymn after he was termed. here's a taste of what that looks like:
genuinely, it goes on and on and on. all of His old posts are gone. its kinda heartbreaking, as its some of the history of our community and a lot of the posts that helped me come to terms with being trans.
all is not lost though. @nothorses (who i will refer to as Grey) is thankfully still around. Grey has been the archiver for our community for quite awhile, and was a mutual and friend of Saint's from the getgo (or at least before I showed up). if you ask around, I promise you that most people will credit either Saint or Grey (or Jaz, or a couple others who routinely reblog from both of them) as where they first came across the term. Grey is always the first to point out that Saint coined it, though ofc now Grey has a lot of original posts and is a trusted figure in the community.
without spending too much time on it (I am sure you can find old Saint posts on Grey's blog somewhere, but I already spent too much time on this post), here is a popular older post of Grey's. no, it is not from before that random person's "coining" post, but it IS just five months later, and you can clearly see that Grey is a popular Tumblr user. this is his original post, and it has six-figure notes.
here is an original post from Sept 2020, wherein Grey uses the term "transandrophobia" and explains its systemic and real-world effects. no, it is not as popular, but as anyone in the community can attest—any post that describes transmasculine oppression using the word "transandrophobia" will never make a lot of notes. however, tons of his original posts from 2020 about transmasculine oppression that do not use the term have a fuckton of notes.
this should be sufficient to prove that he is a popular Tumblr user who blogs about the transmasculine experience. and he has also been using the term transandrophobia since 2020.
now, even if we pretend that this nazi terf liar actually coined the term (which your screenshots definitively prove to be false), how on earth can you claim that she popularized it? "the most popular transandrophobia truther" ???? 🙄 she doesnt have a single post on it that breaks three figures. not even 100 people have interacted with her posts.
This is just your regular free-of-charge reminder that when people argue that transandrophobia does not exist, or that its not important enough to talk about, they are explicitly saying they don't care about sexual assault victims or victims of suicide (among other things).
Over half of all AFAB nonbinary people and trans men are or will be the victims of sexual assault. These are the highest rates in the community.
About 9 out of every 10 trans men have seriously considered attempting suicide. This is the highest rate in the community.
About half of all trans men have or will attempt suicide. This is the highest rate in the community.
Addressing these issues means talking about them, and we need a word for what this is in order to do that.
This is what "transandrophobia" is for. This is why we need that word.
It's not about hurting or blaming trans women, it's not about saying cis men are oppressed for being men or that cis women aren't, it's not a "white issue" or an "MRA" thing- and the people who argue that it is, and that we shouldn't have the word because it is, are distracting from the real issues. They are taking attention away from, ignoring, and erasing those issues. They not only do not care about them- they want you not to care, too.
They want to remove the language we need in order to talk about these problems. They want us to stop taking about them. They want these problems to continue happening.
in response to @nothorses, see https://otter-thoughts.tumblr.com/post/686722478016528385/this-is-just-your-regular-free-of-charge-reminder
whether it is ‘explicitly’ pinned on trans women is quite frankly immaterial. why should we give people the benefit of the doubt when someone completely glosses over the fact that sexual violence among tfem people is underreported, undersurveyed, in order to make a point about 'violence faced by afabs', thereby placing all people who aren't 'afab' on the same side against them— not simply having a disagreement over terminology, but _actively wishing rape and suicide on them_? how do you think that will resonate, how is that in any sense not the most irresponsible framing? you know what 'afabs' don't get raped for? your terminally online beef with the scores of people who have pointed out, over and over again, how 'transandrophobia' can be reduced as a whole to transphobia, or more accurately cissexism, the whole field of gendered power, nonuniform and unpredictable, counter to conventional wisdom as it might often be applied onto a whole variety of perpetrators and victims. i simply can't and won't tolerate the conflation of the simple advancement of that thesis with rape apologia when the variety of arguments against 'transandrophobia' as a term of theory and locus of discourse are deeply intertwined with anti-transmisogynist advocacy. i have had people tell me that the fact that i rejected the idea that being a trans girl would have saved them from CSA means i simply don't have 'empathy for rape victims', so in a sense, nothing is new here: i have 'sat' with this kind of line of argumentation for the better part of my actively identifying as trans, actually, and i simply have decided at the end of the day that truth and context matter more than to whatever degree someone has decided to intertwine their emotion and trauma with their political positions— and it is a choice, the same way as it is cultivated by certain contexts. it's not like i have never seen this in more naked radfem argumentation, the idea that all they want is a term to describe their 'sex-based oppression' and then when you point out how the abasement of transfeminine realities is central to the concept, they argue that you just don't care about sexual assault. i am simply done playing the game.
but if you want to play the game, let's play it like this: why can't you sit with the idea, just for a moment, that objections to your argumentation, or even simple disgust, come from a real place of personal concern or theoretical objection instead of some bizarre phantasm of solipsism? why does it all have to be an attack on you and all 'afabs'? what kind of discursive environment has groomed you into such ideas? and most importantly: why are you yourself cultivating this, engaging in the most ridiculous, alarmist rhetoric where a dispute over terminology and what it represents is equivalent to rape apologia which will always be levied against certain groups disproportionally? how do you honestly live with yourself, twisting and rallying, never *quite* lying (let’s pretend for the sake of argument, you never have), but nevertheless continuing to dig your head in the sand as you surround yourself with people who are telling you you are doing nothing wrong, pretending like you are the only one interested in honest discourse when you levy a number of insane accusations at a trans woman coming your way before blocking her?
it certainly can't be a real and actual development of ideas you're concerned with, but i'm afraid you might be a lost cause. good on showing your followers you totally owned me though! enjoy your notes and the rush of internet debate— i have long since accepted that given the fact i don't peddle a worldview that tells people that from whichever side they are under attack and that there is no angle through which their ideas might be under reproach, nor that i can levy it to give people the rush of opposing something so evil as rape — transmisogyny isn’t actually socially marketable, which might give you an inkling of how all of this works — i have to find my joy in life elsewhere.
nothorses said: imagine then calling yourself “a TME trans woman” to frame the whole thing as if the transmascs are oppressing YOU using ~male privilege~
i was going to just send this as a message, but literally kind of fucked that he made up this cutesy name for you and your sister for his superhero origin story or whatever the fuck is going on inside his head.
EDIT: Actually I don’t care. Thank you for the message though. This man has been called a terf, radfem, ableist in just one week by different people. I don’t care what radfems have to say about me, and if continuing his bullying of me draws attention away from the fact that his messy past is starting to show, then let him dance
I'm just really, really upset, because he has stalked me and every single ounce of "harassment" he's talking about has been me calling him and his friends out on their racism and transmisogyny.
I could go days without even mentioning him (months in this case) and randomly he decides to talk about me? And my sister? And minimize the racism we experienced? One of his friends literally told me I wanted to use their ability to get pregnant for myself.
Thier white friend told me that! A black person. And suddenly it's funny to call us the "harassment twins".
In the past week he's been called a terf, a radfem, and ableist. And I haven't said one thing about it. I haven't even spoken about it, but now he's suddenly not only directing his friends and the ex-terfs that follow him to my blog, he thinks it's funny?
